Re-Sign Reyes NOW!!!!

[batmagadanleadoff]

Edgy DC wrote: It all starts with Bay, I think. That's a solid meathouse if health prevails and if Bay finds something of his old form. It'll take pressure off the younger players, and give the Mets a shot to stand toe-to-toe and punch with anybody like a good Brewers team. As far as pitching, we'll probably have to cross a lot more fingers.

Absolutely. Bay's been so underwhelming as a Met, that it's easy to forgot how much of a star he was when the Mets signed him. Five out of the Mets projected starting eight have shown that they can hit major league pitching quite well. Granted, those five now come with questionmarks (declining production, injuries, sample size) but it doesn't require a huge stretch of the imagination to envision the 2012 squad as one of the better hitting teams in the league.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Here's a thought:

Maybe the Mets held on to Reyes at last year's trading deadline, not because they only intended to milk him for whatever he was worth through season's end, but because the Mets hoped to make a competitive offer for Reyes with money earmarked from Einhorn's doomed investment. If so, then it's likelier that it was Einhorn, and not the Mets, that broke off the $200M negotiations.

Edited December 11, 2011 by Guest

[Edgy MD]

Interesting thought. Probably something to that.

More importantly. It's been a week. You, you, and you --- tell me you're not moving on.

[batmagadanleadoff]

From the Wilpons?

[Fman99]

I've moved on. Let the kids play! I'm a Ruben Tejada fan.

[nymr83]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Here's a thought: Maybe the Mets held on to Reyes at last year's trading deadline, not because they intended to milk him for whatever he was worth through season's end, but because the Mets hoped to make a competitive offer for Reyes with money earmarked from Einhorn's doomed investment. If so, then it's likelier that it was Einhorn, and not the Mets, that broke off the $200M negotiations.

Interesting thought. Probably something to that

Thats a disturbing thought to me and, if true, would confirm our worst fears: that the decision to let Reyes go wasn't based on the belief that an oft-injured player whose game relies entirely on maintaining his current speed wasnt worth a 6 year risk, but was based on Wilpon's inability to afford the contract.

[Edgy MD]

One truth doesn't make another truth less true.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Nymr83 wrote: Here's a thought: Maybe the Mets held on to Reyes at last year's trading deadline, not because they intended to milk him for whatever he was worth through season's end, but because the Mets hoped to make a competitive offer for Reyes with money earmarked from Einhorn's doomed investment. If so, then it's likelier that it was Einhorn, and not the Mets, that broke off the $200M negotiations. Interesting thought. Probably something to that Thats a disturbing thought to me and, if true, would confirm our worst fears: that the decision to let Reyes go wasn't based on the belief that an oft-injured player whose game relies entirely on maintaining his current speed wasnt worth a 6 year risk, but was based on Wilpon's inability to afford the contract.

Everything that we already know indicates virtually without doubt that the Mets couldn't afford Reyes at any reasonable price -- irrespective of my thoughts on the Einhorn deal, above.

[TransMonk]

Former manager questions Marlins' moves

CBS quoting Edwin Rodriguez wrote: "Knowing Hanley, he's a very proud player. It's going to be very hard for him to move out of shortstop. He's a big league shortstop. He's an All-Star shortstop. In my opinion I think they are going to have a tough time trying to convince him to move to third base. Even if he does that, move to third base, beginning of the season, I think it's going to be very interesting to watch how everything develops, how Reyes takes the front pages and how the people start talking about the All-Star shortstop Jose Reyes. It will be very interesting to see how Hanley will handle all that." Rodriguez, also said he thought it was a mistake to sign Reyes instead of using that money to increase the offer to Albert Pujols.

[metirish]

that's former manager right there.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Just what I was thinking, Irish.

That said... it's not like Hanley has a long history of mature, harmonious handling of change/decisions he doesn't like.

[Guest Rockin' Doc]

Having dealt with Ramirez's temperament in the past, I think Rodriguez can make a rather informed prediction of how Hanley will likely handle the position shift. I would not be the least bit surprised if Hanley Ramirez ends up being a malcontent for the Marlins this season.

[ashie62]

Hanley can play short the 2 months Reyes on the DL.

[Frayed Knot]

Yeah, I'm sick of thinking about this too, but the analysis of this deal never ends.


- Hanley is now apparently agreeing to move to 3B (as if he had a choice). Still wouldn't be totally surprised to see him dealt; maybe not immediately but within the year.


- The Reyes deal is heavily back-loaded
2012 - $10 mil
2013 - $10 mil
2014 - $16 mil
2015 - $22 mil
2016 - $22 mil
2017 - $22 mil
2018 - club option for $22 mil
Given this schedule, the Marlins better hope that the new stadium attendance bump they're expecting is not only real but also lasting. The back-loading will also tend to water-down their (supposed) policy of not handing out no-trade clauses. If Jose does age or injure during the deal those out-year price tags will, in effect, give the deal a quasi no-trade drag since nobody is going to want him at those prices.


- The draft picks the Mets gain for this deal are (at the moment) #s 34 & 64, although both of those will probably tick up a few notches as the remaining compensation-due FAs* sign.

* Type A: Prince Fielder -- Ryan Madson
Type B: Edwin Jackson -- Carlos Pena -- Raul Ibanez -- Derrek Lee -- Darren Oliver -- Dan Wheeler -- Francisco Cordero

[Edgy MD]

Amazin'. For the first two years, his salary actually goes down from it's 2011 level.