Giants @ Mets iGt 5/3/11

[bmfc1]

Fuck Thole for not doing the one that is explicit in the job of catcher, catching
Fuck Thole for choking when a fly ball would have won the game
Fuck Ike for even attempting a bunt
Fuck Terry if he told Ike to bunt
Fuck Terry for pinch hitting for Duda in the 5th inning which meant fewer available players for the later innings
Fuck Terry for not having Reyes try to steal in the 10th
Fuck Dickey for sucking so much this year no matter how interesting he is and how big his vocabulary is
Fuck Sandy for constructing such an awful bench
Fuck Murphy for watching two fat strikes in his last at bat.
And fuck me for wasting 3 and half hours on this team.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Seriously, leave it with the why-wasn't-he-running. Reyes got on base 6 times tonight. He did HIS job.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

fuck this team. Fuck RA Dickey. Maybe he should re-name his bats Milli and Vanilli because they also were frauds with one good year.

And f Josh Thole. And FU HU. F this whole team.

[bmfc1]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Fuck RA Dickey. Maybe he should re-name his bats Milli and Vanilli because they also were frauds with one good year.

Excellent.

[Guest Edgy DC]

bmfc1 wrote: Fuck Terry if he told Ike to bunt

Anything at all is possible, except the notion that Ike was bunting on his own there.

Seriiously, what are we going to do about Thole? I'd start by keeping him the heck away from Dickey. He needs to save his focus for the rest of his burden.

This team also needs a longer bench. Bambi's Bandits they ain't.

[Guest Edgy DC]

[Ceetar]

Edgy DC wrote: bmfc1 wrote: Fuck Terry if he told Ike to bunt Anything at all is possible, except the notion that Ike was bunting on his own there. Seriiously? What are we going to do about Thole? I'd start by keeping him the heck away from Dickey. He needs to save his focus for the rest of his burden. This team also needs a longer bench. Bambi's Bandits they ain't.

Well Bay and Pagan will both be back by this weekend, which should straighten out the bench, as Sandy can make the decision based on the actual bench and not who can play where in the OF.

I'm worried about Thole now. I don't know what's up there. He's missing things that I would probably catch. I wonder if he toned done the catching workouts a bit (or that's just the nature of the bigs versus AAA?) now that he's "made it"?

Same with Ike. While buntings horrible in that spot, especially with who was up behind him, does he practice it? If he takes bunting practice as much as everyone else and works at it for the sake of that one or two times a year where it might be prudent. over-shifts or what not, then fine, drop one down (not there), but otherwise, just freaking swing.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Ike's bunt attempt is 100% on Terrycloth.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Let's not make too much of the bunt attempt. It was dumb but given a swingaway, Ike hit into a DP only got lucky that the 2B booted it.

And enough with the criticism of Reyes not stealing. And on Howie for going after the percentage of Rodriguez's "clean innings" as if 1-2-3 is the only way to go.

[MFS62]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Radio listeners... Anyone else notice that a disproportionate amount of weird, bad things seem to happen during Hagin innings?

Are they really bad things, or is it the convoluted way he describes them?
Or both?
Later

[Gwreck]

Lots of Giants fans in the ballpark tonight which makes things that much more unpleasant.

We really deserved to lose after screwing up the 9th so badly. Additionally, I am really starting to tire of Chin Lung Hu, who apparently cannot hit major league pitching. If Reyes is going to play essentially every game, we don't need a backup shortstop unless he gets hurt, in which case we can make a roster move at that point. Additionally, I bet Turner could cover if necessary. He has provided essentially no value to the team.

Thole really embarassed himself with his defense tonight. The three hits were great but any value they provided were negated by the rally-killing GIDPs.

I was disappointed with the bullpen management tonight, particularly in not putting Rodriguez back out for a second inning. I also might have left Gee in, rather than yanking him to have Isringhausen pitch to only one batter (the pitcher's spot was due up second the next inning).

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I recognize that the Mets (and Fred, in particular) are very supportive of the military and veterans. I always welcome an organized military appreciation night, and really, if you've got active duty personnel on leave who get to go to the game for the night, I'm always in favor of them throwing out the first pitch. Thanks for your brave service.

But the "We-Killed-Bin-Laden" aura of the night, with the awful, awful hats and the intolerable "God Bless America" and putting Chris Young on the diamondvision to talk 30 seconds of nonsense about how this is a "historic day" was downright offensive. I realize that everybody is going to react to the news in a different, personal way and I am happy to allow for that. For example, I broke out the Johnny Walker Blue on Sunday night as a toast to those responsible for conducting that brave mission. But to have the organized celebration at the BASEBALL game was way out of line.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

testify, wreckie. I agree with all of it.

Thole's misadventures forced the Gee to Izzy situation. Hidden cost.

[G-Fafif]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Maybe he should re-name his bats Milli and Vanilli because they also were frauds with one good year.

This fucking awful game was almost worth it for the above.

Almost.

Lots of Giants fans in the ballpark tonight which makes things that much more unpleasant.

Much fucking of them as well. Shrill fucks.

the "We-Killed-Bin-Laden" aura of the night, with the awful, awful hats and the intolerable "God Bless America" and putting Chris Young on the diamondvision to talk 30 seconds of nonsense about how this is a "historic day" was downright offensive.

Big misread on the Mets' part and it cheapened the intended effect. In addition to the idiotic caps, I noticed Mets/American flag pins and Mets/Statue of Liberty pins broken out in one of the team stores, as if the First Baseball Game in New York After... magic was going to be automatically transferrable, Get Yours Today!

Also I received my first-ever full patdown entering Citi Field -- Bullpen Gate, where I don't usually enter. I showed what a threat I was by giggling uncontrollably (it tickled). A few feet from where they were groping me for my own good there was a veritable battalion of military personnel. I somehow think that made the place safer, at least at the Bullpen Gate.

I have to confess as I took in the spontaneous U-S-A chant from CBP the other night, I was thinking "glad this isn't at Citi Field -- place would be three-quarters empty by now, those still here would be doing the wave or still standing in Shake Shack line."

I didn't get the Chris Young thing either.

[nymr83]

I was there tonight as well. Citi just doesnt possess Shea's atmosphere. Hu looked like he didn't belong in the same league as Brian Wilson.

[Ceetar]

Nymr83 wrote: I was there tonight as well. Citi just doesnt possess Shea's atmosphere. Hu looked like he didn't belong in the same league as Brian Wilson.

The fans are different. That is, the mindset of the fans are different. Not because of the park but because of the state of the team.

[Gwreck]

There's no question that Citi Field doesn't have the same atmosphere as even a half-empty Shea. This was immediately apparent even in the early part of 2009, when the park was full every night and there was no reason for despair.

[Ceetar]

Gwreck wrote: There's no question that Citi Field doesn't have the same atmosphere as even a half-empty Shea. This was immediately apparent even in the early part of 2009, when the park was full every night and there was no reason for despair.

I attribute that a lot to not knowing the park and people wandering around and taking it in, and atmosphere never being great in April anyway. And off two collapses, it wasn't a great attitude among fans.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'd like to be in first for a sustained amount of time to bolster enthusiasm, or really be in it when we play the Phillies in July, before I'd be really comfortable judging the crowds at Citi. I think it has potential, especially down low. I could see that RF corner, with the Pepsi Porch and Mo's zone screaming, being very hostile to a visiting right fielder.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Well, I have no great Hu lust, but there's something on Terry here, that he (1) can't find any starts for Hu, (2) keeps a redikalikalikalously short bench, and (3) burns that bench nightly like a serial arsonist, leaving Hu frequently the team's last best hope. They might have gotten more than six pitches from Isringhausen had they double-switched when bringing him in, but that would have taken some awkward maneuvering, as the team was already on their third left-fielder by the seventh inning.

I never dreamed I'd be lecturing three straight managers about their jobs. Buchholz should have been about four innings away from entering the game last night.

[TransMonk]

Fman99 wrote: I blame these ugly fucking hats.

The manufactured and fake patriotism over the past few days is making me sick.

[metirish]

Gwreck wrote: Lots of Giants fans in the ballpark tonight which makes things that much more unpleasant. We really deserved to lose after screwing up the 9th so badly. Additionally, I am really starting to tire of Chin Lung Hu, who apparently cannot hit major league pitching. If Reyes is going to play essentially every game, we don't need a backup shortstop unless he gets hurt, in which case we can make a roster move at that point. Additionally, I bet Turner could cover if necessary. He has provided essentially no value to the team. Thole really embarassed himself with his defense tonight. The three hits were great but any value they provided were negated by the rally-killing GIDPs. I was disappointed with the bullpen management tonight, particularly in not putting Rodriguez back out for a second inning. I also might have left Gee in, rather than yanking him to have Isringhausen pitch to only one batter (the pitcher's spot was due up second the next inning). --- I recognize that the Mets (and Fred, in particular) are very supportive of the military and veterans. I always welcome an organized military appreciation night, and really, if you've got active duty personnel on leave who get to go to the game for the night, I'm always in favor of them throwing out the first pitch. Thanks for your brave service. But the "We-Killed-Bin-Laden" aura of the night, with the awful, awful hats and the intolerable "God Bless America" and putting Chris Young on the diamondvision to talk 30 seconds of nonsense about how this is a "historic day" was downright offensive. I realize that everybody is going to react to the news in a different, personal way and I am happy to allow for that. For example, I broke out the Johnny Walker Blue on Sunday night as a toast to those responsible for conducting that brave mission. But to have the organized celebration at the BASEBALL game was way out of line.

I stand and applaud you and damn it I am going to wear a commemorative hat in your honor....seriously though , the whole thing was a debacle , when Ike squared around to bunt Cohen was beside himself and you could tell needed to restrain his thoughts ......agree on Hu but apparently Collins loves him, every freaking manager seems to have one.

On Thole , I thought Darling brought up a good point although I have no idea how true it might be but it makes sense....Thole has gotten very bad habits catching Dickey and when he needs to catch a regular type pitcher those habits are getting exposed ....bad fundies ...

Big difference for me between Shea and Citi is that Shea didn't entice you to walk around and savor the ballpark where Citi does , and that's one of the things management wants right?

[TransMonk]

I missed watching this game live (actually, I turned it on in time to see Thole's DP in the ninth) so couldn't participate in this thread.

For as bad as this game turned out, this thread is a pretty awesome read.

[Ceetar]

Edgy DC wrote: I never dreamed I'd be lecturing three straight managers about their jobs. Buchholz should have been about four innings away from entering the game last night.

So you were okay with Howe then?

[Ceetar]

metirish wrote: Big difference for me between Shea and Citi is that Shea didn't entice you to walk around and savor the ballpark where Citi does , and that's one of the things management wants right?

That's all new ballparks. Which is why I never understood the complaints about empty seats behind the plate at either NY park. They built indoor bars (which isn't really anything special, btw) behind the plate and you expect some of these rich fat cats to sit in the cold april weather at 10pm at night?

The thing is, the game hasn't force anyone to stay in their seat much since Citi opened. But in all stadiums, concessions basically close down in the 8th and 9th, so for those big games and late inning pressure situations, everyone SHOULD be in their seats, or at least standing in viewing areas.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Howe may have been affectless, but his B's* didn't kill me.

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*Bunting, benchburning, bullpen usage.

[Met Hunter]

The hats sent out subliminal messages to buy Carvel.

[Met Hunter]

I went last night. Only like the fifth time in 3 years that I've gone and made a few observations.

The crowd seems different, somewhat lifeless. I didn't even hear the obnoxous 'balk' cheer when the opposing pitcher stepped off.

People get ridiculously excited with pizza box races and t shirt launches. They'll fucking kill you for that shirt. The Mets had a potential rally going while they repositioned my section for the box race. A free slice was at stake. I'd be a dick and ask for the cash equivalent.

Brian Wilson looks like a courier. A courier that's winning. That hairdo is ridiculous.

Nice touch having Seaver and Piazza getting the 'Let's Go Mets' chant going on the scoreboard. But Mikey better redo that shot and fix his hair. It aint helping his 'I'm not gay" stance.

The usher is still checking tickets in the tenth inning. WTF? Get lost.

I miss buying trays of beer. Just not financially practical anymore.

Any swinging dick that had an old military uniform seemed to dust if off and break it out last night to receive thanks for them personally killed Bin Laden. I saw one guy that looked like Vanderbilt from 'F Troop'. The whole fucking world is a front runner.

[soupcan]

Any swinging dick that had an old military uniform seemed to dust if off and break it out last night to receive thanks for them personally killed Bin Laden. I saw one guy that looked like Vanderbilt from 'F Troop'. The whole fucking world is a front runner.

Funny.


As to the Piazza gay rumors - didn't this...




and this...

Mike Piazza & Wife Welcome a Baby Girl Oakland A's catcher Mike Piazza and his wife, Alicia, welcomed their first child together on Saturday. Nicoletta Veronica Piazza was born in a NYC hospital at 4:07am. She weighed 5 lbs., 8 oz. and measured 19 inches long.

...effectively end those?

[soupcan]

And here's what I'm sure will be an unpopular opinion but I'm going to say it anyway (because 'controversy' is my middle name):

Where does Jason Bay get off going on 4 days of Paternity Leave? Fucker's only been with the team for 10 days. He missed a million games last year and sucked in the one's he didn't. I would think he'd want to prove his worth / make up for lost time / earn his salary.

It's not like it's his first kid and the wife needs him there to help out with the other two. This is his third kid, you want to be there for the birth - fine, but speaking from experience it's a lot less wonderment and a lot more disgusting smells. Whatever, to each his own.

And whichever side you're on, it doesn't take an entire three game series (plus - ahem - an off day on Monday) to pop out a kid.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I thought he was only going to miss two games?

[Ceetar]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I thought he was only going to miss two games?

I think they said 2-3, but I guess it depends. it's an early game Tomorrow. so even 48 hours misses three games, and where does Bay live? Canada? Seattle?

It is what it is, but I'm not going to begrudge him that. MLB instituted paternity leave for this very purpose.