IGT 4/16/2011 - Mets @ Braves game 1

[Ceetar]

metirish wrote: Ceetar wrote: This is probably ridiculous hope/optimism/deludedness, but maybe the 'exploring' different pitching options was related to the Young thing as in they were debating pitching him tomorrow? not a chance Ceetar....Young has said that his start Sunday is unclear as he is still sore.....worries are him and taxing the pen....Glee would be on regular rest Sunday.

off day Monday so I'm not sure how 'taxing' it would be, probably depends on tomorrow.

beat reporters seemed pissed that the Mets and Young weren't saying anything. Is it unclear/sore? I thought his bullpen yesterday was positive? Or are they just going to wait and reevaluate after the games? Might make sense, don't reveal anything, don't let Atlanta know when they should give a guy a day off if they get to fake a rookie or a lefty or something on Sunday.

[metirish]

Jesus man your more optimistic than Ghandy ....always finding that silver lining....

[Ceetar]

metirish wrote: Jesus man your more optimistic than Ghandy ....always finding that silver lining....

I'm just tired of beat writers throwing out speculation as fact, despite how logical it sounds.

[ashie62]

metirish wrote: Ceetar wrote: This is probably ridiculous hope/optimism/deludedness, but maybe the 'exploring' different pitching options was related to the Young thing as in they were debating pitching him tomorrow? not a chance Ceetar....Young has said that his start Sunday is unclear as he is still sore.....worries are him and taxing the pen....Glee would be on regular rest Sunday.

13 Pitchers and the pitching staff is still taxed...Geezuz

[Gwreck]

I'm just tired of beat writers throwing out speculation as fact, despite how logical it sounds.

Let's review.

Lennon: "Chris Young sounds very doubtful for Sunday." (emphasis added)

Martino: "Also, it feels like Chris Young won't start Sunday. Misch an option. None of this is settled or official, tho. (emphasis added)

Popper: "Mets say no word on Young status for Sunday and won't be commenting - which, as usual, sounds bad." (emphasis added)

Rubin: "Mets "exploring different options" for weekend pitching. Sounds like Chris Young out, but no confirmation yet." (again, emphasis added)

[Ceetar]

I'm just tired of beat writers throwing out speculation as fact, despite how logical it sounds. Let's review. Lennon: "Chris Young sounds very doubtful for Sunday." (emphasis added) Martino: "Also, it feels like Chris Young won't start Sunday. Misch an option. None of this is settled or official, tho. (emphasis added) Popper: "Mets say no word on Young status for Sunday and won't be commenting - which, as usual, sounds bad." (emphasis added) Rubin: "Mets "exploring different options" for weekend pitching. Sounds like Chris Young out, but no confirmation yet." (again, emphasis added)

Popper's is the key there. "no word", "no comment". I understand it's their job to try to tell us what's going to happen, but this is how unfounded rumors start and get spread. Someone follows that up with "guess Young's going on the DL" and ESPN orLoudmouths or radio host say Young won't start on Sunday.

All these people said roughly the same thing "Beltran to play 5 innings in a minor league game tomorrow. Doesn't sound good for Opening Day"

[Guest The Second Spitter]

Mainly because they don't need to conform to the same journalistic standards on twitter, so you really shouldn't be holding them to the same.

[Guest The Second Spitter]

Anybody know who's pitching first today, DJ or Pie Chucker?

[Ceetar]

The Second Spitter wrote: Anybody know who's pitching first today, DJ or Pie Chucker?

DJ first. 42 in the first game. Fox in the first game.


They do need to hold to the same standards, imo. Do they just say "Not a journalist right now...blah blah blah" and get away with it? no.

Popper posts a story with a tweet saying "Young may go to the DL" but all the quotes point to uncertainty, that it's getting better but they're not sure how it'll feel when he actually pitches and how long he could last if it's lingering. That's part of the equation.

Add in that it's not likely that they would DL him, probably choosing instead to ditch the 13th reliever after the doubleheader for Gee and then Gee for the bench guy or Bay. If Young still can't go next week, then you DL him and bring Gee right back. (Bring him with the team to NY, it's on the way back to Buffalo anyway)

[Gwreck]

Ceetar wrote: Popper's is the key there. "no word", "no comment". I understand it's their job to try to tell us what's going to happen, but this is how unfounded rumors start and get spread. Someone follows that up with "guess Young's going on the DL" and ESPN orLoudmouths or radio host say Young won't start on Sunday.

There's nothing wrong with what Popper said. Anyone with basic reading comprehension skills can figure out what was said by the Mets and what Popper is interpreting. Your scenarios of the hypothetical person then choosing to make further comment reflects poorly on that hypothetical person and not on what was actually written. Your beef is not with the beat writer here.

[Ceetar]

Gwreck wrote: Ceetar wrote: Popper's is the key there. "no word", "no comment". I understand it's their job to try to tell us what's going to happen, but this is how unfounded rumors start and get spread. Someone follows that up with "guess Young's going on the DL" and ESPN orLoudmouths or radio host say Young won't start on Sunday. There's nothing wrong with what Popper said. Anyone with basic reading comprehension skills can figure out what was said by the Mets and what Popper is interpreting. Your scenarios of the hypothetical person then choosing to make further comment reflects poorly on that hypothetical person and not on what was actually written. Your beef is not with the beat writer here.

Not solely, no. But this is why I unfollowed Rubin, because the needless and worthless opinion, laced with negativity, was not worth the facts that would trickle out anyway.

Do I need the beat writers to tell me what Young meeting with that group means? It too often feels like they're trying to tell me what to think, that this team is sucky, will always have bad luck, will continue to suck, etc. Also don't need that underlying story line, and i could do without jokes about Misch being "close to Atlanta, maybe he's in a secret bunker with Cheney?"

[Guest The Second Spitter]

Ceetar wrote: The Second Spitter wrote: Anybody know who's pitching first today, DJ or Pie Chucker? DJ first. 42 in the first game. Fox in the first game. They do need to hold to the same standards, imo. Do they just say "Not a journalist right now...blah blah blah" and get away with it? no.

So who do you propose to edit their posts on twitter?

Even in the ridiculous situation where an Editor corrects/deletes their tweets, it would defeat the purpose of using Twitter as the medium.

It's easier just to treat tweets for what they are...

[Ceetar]

The Second Spitter wrote: It's easier just to treat tweets for what they are...

Trash mostly.

They met with Young because they have a pitching conundrum exasperated by the doubleheader. While meeting with Young can 'sound bad' it can always sound like they're actually think ahead this year and are trying to plan out the pitching for all three games with what roster moves they need to make. Young's health plays a large role into that decision making, so not having him and the trainer there would be sloppy.

Young was quoted in Popper's article saying that it's gotten better each day so that makes them think it's not serious.

[Ceetar]

42 - Reyes - SS
42 -Pagan - CF
42 -Wright - 3B
42 -Beltran - RF
42 -Davis - 1B
42 -Harris - LF
42 -Emaus - 2B
42 -Thole - C
42 -Carrasco - RHP


Young also wrote an 80 page thesis on Jackie Robinson. But probably won't get to play in this one. Kenny Rogers record is safe.

[Ceetar]

Also, I'll be at Hurricanes in Levittown for the end of game 1, so when they win, someone else start an IGT for #2.

[ashie62]

Dry skies and warmish weather in Atlanta.

[Guest themetfairy]

G-d help D.J. Carrasco today!

[Guest themetfairy]

And we're down 1-0 on a home run by Larry.

Wasn't he supposed to have retired after last season?

[Guest themetfairy]

No further damage in the first. 1-0 Braves after one

[Guest themetfairy]

2-0 on another solo homer.

At this rate we're looking at a 9-0 final....

[soupcan]

themetfairy wrote: 2-0 on another solo homer. At this rate we're looking at a 9-0 final....

Might as well be.

[Fman99]

Boy this #42 guy on the Mets sucks.

[Frayed Knot]

Things aren't going bad enough this week so maybe we can try and hit a few more at'em balls this inning.
Lowe could have gotten his ass kicked in top 3 (2nd inning too really) but he put his fielders in exactly the right places.

[nymr83]

What channel is this game on?? i've got Beer Money on SNY and Rain Man on 11...

[nymr83]

forgot to check Fox, nevermind

[Guest themetfairy]

Insult to injury - we have to suffer through the Fox crew for this game.

3-0 after yet another solo homer.

[ashie62]

That ball was CRUSHED 3-2

Emaus blows however...

[Benjamin Grimm]

Whoever is doing the FOX play-by-play wrote: "FREDDIE FREEMAN GO GET YOURSELF SOME!"

Huh?

[ashie62]

6 more outs for the Mets...I am confident.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Now.