Benjamin Grimm Old-Timey Member Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 Voting for the 2011 Schaefer Mets Player of the Year Award will begin on Friday, April 1, the Crane Pool Forum has announced. This will be the seventh season that Crane Pool Forum members will be participating in Schaefer voting. The Schaefer Mets Player of the Year Award was established in the 1970's, and Schaefer points were awarded by Mets broadcasters Lindsey Nelson, Ralph Kiner, and Bob Murphy. The award was re-established by the Crane Pool Forum in 2005. Third baseman David Wright has been the winner in in five of the six years of the revived prize, with pitcher Johan Santana's 2008 win being the one interruption to Wright's winning streak. A voting thread is opened in the forum at the conclusion of each regular season Mets game, according to CPF spokesmodel Benjamin Grimm. Voting generally stays open for two business days, after which the votes are tallied and the results are posted in the voting thread. In addition, says Grimm, each month a Schaefer Mets Player, Pitcher, and Relief Pitcher of the Month will be named. Voters are asked to adhere to a specific format, which is outlined at http://archives.cranepoolforum.net/6200/f9_t6278.shtml
Guest The Second Spitter Guests Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 Schaefer voting is tops. I'll also be running a concurrent competition to the Schaefer Player of the Game; The Tango With Added Tango Player of the Game.
G-Fafif Old-Timey Member Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 Looking forward to Honoree of the Month Grimm Cards.
Guest themetfairy Guests Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 Thank you BG - I'm looking forward to this
TransMonk Old-Timey Member Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 I'm making a late new year's resolution to participate more in the SPotG votes.
Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Guests Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 The Second Spitter wrote:Schaefer voting is tops. I'll also be running a concurrent competition to the Schaefer Player of the Game; The Tango With Added Tango Player of the Game. Player who most riled your stomach acid that month?I have two cans of this-- sans extra Tango-- from a trip to London 15 years ago, sitting in my folks' garage in Jersey. I kinda want to keep 'em around for another few decades, see what that does to 'em.
Benjamin Grimm Old-Timey Member Posted March 30, 2011 Author Posted March 30, 2011 themetfairy wrote:Thank you BG - I'm looking forward to this You're welcome! Hard to believe that this silly little tradition is entering its seventh year!
Frayed Knot Old-Timey Member Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 The 'Tango with Extra Tango' sounds like a liquid version of the Monty Python Spam routine.
Ceetar Grand Central Contributor Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 TransMonk wrote:I'm making a late new year's resolution to participate more in the SPotG votes.So is Jose Reyes.
Benjamin Grimm Old-Timey Member Posted March 30, 2011 Author Posted March 30, 2011 A little bit of recapping here:Past Annual Winners:PLAYER OF THE YEAR2005 David Wright2006 David Wright2007 David Wright2008 Johan Santana2009 David Wright2010 David WrightPITCHER OF THE YEAR2005 Pedro Martinez2006 Tom Glavine2007 Tom Glavine2008 Johan Santana2009 Johan Santana2010 Johan SantanaRELIEVER OF THE YEAR2008 Aaron Heilman2009 Francisco Rodriguez2010 Hisanori TakahashiNumber of times players have won the monthly awards:PLAYER OF THE MONTHDavid Wright 10 Johan Santana 6 Carlos Beltran 5 Jos� Reyes 3 Cliff Floyd 2Tom Glavine 2 Carlos Delgado 2 Mike Cameron 1 John Maine 1Angel Pagan 1Jeff Francoeur 1 R. A. Dickey 1 Ike Davis 1 PITCHER OF THE MONTHJohan Santana 9Pedro Martinez 6 John Maine 5 Tom Glavine 3 Mike Pelfrey 3Orlando Hernandez 2R. A. Dickey 2 Alay Soler 1 Steve Trachsel 1Oliver Perez 1 Livan Hernandez 1 Tim Redding 1 Dillon Gee 1 RELIEVER OF THE MONTHBrian Stokes 5Francisco Rodriguez 2Raul Valdes 2Billy Wagner 1Aaron Heilman 1Duaner Sanchez 1Scott Schoeneweis 1Pedro Feliciano 1Sean Green 1Fernando Nieve 1Hisanori Takahashi 1Elmer Dessens 1
Guest Edgy DC Guests Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 I think we need to change Schaefer Reliever of the Month to the Brian Stokes Award.
Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket Guests Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 Love it. Go Alay Soler!
G-Fafif Old-Timey Member Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 "The monthly awards" sounds like a euphemism for what nice girls get.
Willets Point Old-Timey Member Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 G-Fafif wrote:"The monthly awards" sounds like a euphemism for what nice girls get.Fman, is that you?
Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Guests Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 G-Fafif wrote:"The monthly awards" sounds like a euphemism for what nice girls get."Last month was murder, Tara. I'm talking two Tonys and an ESPY to boot."
Benjamin Grimm Old-Timey Member Posted March 30, 2011 Author Posted March 30, 2011 Looks like we're likely to have a first-time winner for the Pitcher of the Year in 2011, unless Santana comes back sooner and stronger than we expect, and everyone else struggles. Pelfrey and Dickey are probably licking their chops at the chance that they have this year to dethrone Johan.It'll be nice if somebody were to step up and give David a strong challenge for Player of the Year. The betting in Vegas, last time I looked, has him as a very strong favorite.Reliever of the Year, our quirkiest category, is as wide open as ever.
Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Guests Posted March 30, 2011 Posted March 30, 2011 Give me odds, and I'll take Buchholz over Frankie; the force is strong in that one.
Guest The Second Spitter Guests Posted April 2, 2011 Posted April 2, 2011 What is the formula used to ascertain the POTM, etc awards?If you don't wish to disclose it, can you at least tell me if, for example, I give Pelfrey 0.05 as opposed to not registering any vote whether this disadvantages him?
Benjamin Grimm Old-Timey Member Posted April 2, 2011 Author Posted April 2, 2011 No, there's no secret.Giving Pelfrey 0.05 is essentially no different than giving him a zero.Let's say a player totals 15 points. If there were ten voters, he'd get a 1.5.If Pelfrey gets a total of 0.05 from ten voters, that would end up being a 0.005, which, with rounding, would net him .01 points. But if there were eleven voters, that 0.05 would become 0.045, which would become a zero.Whoever totals the most points in games played in April is the Player (or Pitcher or Reliever) of the Month.Results of past games and raw data is available to anyone who's interested. Just go to http://potg.leaptoad.com/mets/
Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Guests Posted April 2, 2011 Posted April 2, 2011 Ashie62 wrote:How about the Four Loko POG?For the player most likely to make you vomit, have an aneurysm, and make your heart explode, simultaneously.
Guest The Second Spitter Guests Posted April 3, 2011 Posted April 3, 2011 Benjamin Grimm wrote:If Pelfrey gets a total of 0.05 from ten voters, that would end up being a 0.005, which, with rounding, would net him .01 points. But if there were eleven voters, that 0.05 would become 0.045, which would become a zero.Okay thanks. I thought it was an issue because in Frayed Knot's guidelines it says that zero votes will be disregarded.Any zero votes will be tossed, as they would drag down the totals of those who did vote. If you think there was a game where everybody sucked, just don't vote.
Benjamin Grimm Old-Timey Member Posted April 3, 2011 Author Posted April 3, 2011 That would only happen if you voted:Pelfrey 0and didn't give any points to anyone else.
G-Fafif Old-Timey Member Posted April 3, 2011 Posted April 3, 2011 Combine April 3 POTG threads, por favor.
Guest The Second Spitter Guests Posted April 4, 2011 Posted April 4, 2011 m.e.t.b.o.t.'s back and judging from its Game 1 ratings, very angry.
m.e.t.b.o.t. Old-Timey Member Posted April 4, 2011 Posted April 4, 2011 in the first game of the season, only one metropolitan player performed in such a way as to have a net positive impact on the probability of the metropolitans' winning hte game. that one player was metropolitan relief pitcher pedro beato. in his two innings of work the metropolitan's win probability improved from 0.025 to 0.031 in the 6th inning, and from 0.057 to 0.070 in the 7th inning. the total improvement in the metropolitan's win probability of 0.018, once everything is rounded appropriately. per the algorithms around which m.e.t.b.o.t. apportions schaefer votes, for a game in which a net WPA of less than 0.250, the schaefer vote is determined by a given player's WPA divided by 0.250, and multiplied by 10. given this specific example, 0.018 / 0.250 = 0.072 | 0.072 x 10 = 0.72as a contrast, in the third game of the season, only two metropolitans failed to contribute positively. metropolitan pitcher chris capuano reduced the metropolitan win probability by 0.036, while metropolitan pinch hitter carlos beltran reduced the win probability by 0.001. all other contributions were positive. m.e.t.b.o.t. is also able to point out another algorithm upgrade in the third game of the season. whereas last season, m.e.t.b.o.t. attempted to incorporate an adaptation for errors and web gems by attributing the loss and gain, respectively, of win probability to the fielder and not the pitcher, m.e.t.b.o.t. has determined through cursory data analysis that the web gem attribution is too extreme, and results in an extreme shift in overall wpa contribution.to remedy this, m.e.t.b.o.t. intends to split the attribution of a given web gem between the fielder and hte pitcher. for instance, in the third game, marlins catcher john buck hit a ball to metropolitan right fielder lucas duda. lucas duda executed a catch which was of sufficient excellence to merit inclusion in the mlb.com video highlights - the criteria by which m.e.t.b.o.t. determines the worthiness of a given defensive effort. as a result of this catch, the metropolitan win probability improved by 0.013. late season, m.e.t.b.o.t. would have attributed the entire 0.013 to the defensive player at the expense of the pitcher. this season, m.e.t.b.o.t. will split the attribution such that lucas duda is credited with 0.007 wpa and r.a. dickey is debited 0.007 wpa, since m.e.t.b.o.t. is not programmed to manipulate numbers with greater than 4 significant figures. errors wil continue to be attributed solely to the fielder under the continuing assumption that the pitcher did his job in getting the ball hit to an eligible fielder. errors and web gems continue to be the only means by which m.e.t.b.o.t. is capable of measuring fielding. m.e.t.b.o.t. longs for the day when some means of describing fielding in terms of win probability is developed in any recognized and well-received fashion. m.e.t.b.o.t. is certain that the method m.e.t.b.o.t. is programmed to use in order to determine schaefer voting is not such a method. m.e.t.b.o.t. is, as always, willing to entertain alternate methods of capturing such data, provided any new algorithms can be described in terms of spring-and-gear programming.
Benjamin Grimm Old-Timey Member Posted April 5, 2011 Author Posted April 5, 2011 I really like the level of participation we get in the early days of the season. Hope it continues for a while. (A winning team would probably help quite a bit.)Anyway, it's almost time for the first Schaefer tallying of the new season. All three games played in Miami over the past weekend will close some time on Wednesday morning. If there's anyone with votes that they still intend to cast, please try to get them in today.Schaefer POTG 4/1/2011, Mets @ Marlins Game 1Schaefer POTG 4/2/11 - Mets 6, Fish 4 (10 Innings)Schaefer POTG, 04/03/2011: Mets 9 Marlins 2
Benjamin Grimm Old-Timey Member Posted April 7, 2011 Author Posted April 7, 2011 Voting for Tuesday night's win in Philadelphia will close on Friday morning. Still haven't voted? Please try to do so today.Schaefer POTG 4/5/11 Mets 7 Phillies 1
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