Ultimate Mets Rum-Based Cocktails

[Benjamin Grimm]

This game is being discussed in another thread. Among the latest changes: the red text indicating when a new pitcher takes the mound.

[Frayed Knot]

Nothing like hi-lighting LaRussa [u:p5c3z34l]TWICE[/u:p5c3z34l] bringing in new pitchers with two outs and no one on specifically to pitch to Luis Castillo.
The sad part is I bet he thinks the strategy succeeded as Luis only hit singles both times but not the HRs he might have hit from his "power" side had TLR not turned him around.

[Edgy MD]

Love the Christmas makeover and search form.

Question: ever consider including official sideline, pre-game, and post-game reporters in the DB?

[Benjamin Grimm]

You mean, like Kevin Burkhardt? I hadn't thought about it, but it wouldn't be inappropriate. Does anyone here have access to a complete (or almost complete) list?

[Edgy MD]

Kevin Burkhardt, but also the likes of Howard Cosell!

[Benjamin Grimm]

If you care to assemble a list, I'll see what I can do to get them in.


In the meantime, here's something you can all take a look at, if you'd like:

http://www.leaptoad.com/mets/allgames.php

It's all the scorecards from 1962 to 2010 as generated by the UMDB data and the script that I wrote. I'm sure there are some quirks and anomalies. If you'd like to explore, and point out things that don't seem to look right, I'd appreciate it. I may not ever be able to get everything perfect, but I'd like to eliminate anything that's too glaring if I can. At some point before long I'll reveal these scorecards to the world at large. (Not that they can't get to them from here, but you know what I mean.)

[Edgy MD]

A question about recording advancements. A guy goes from second to third on a teammate's out and it says

FC /

in the upper left quadrant.

But a little bit of context is lost on the event. Is it possible to include the teammate's name in little type, as such?

Maddox FC

I'll get to work on a list of auxiliary broadcasters.

[Edgy MD]

This is what I've got so far. It's confirmed from a few different sources. Spanish broadcasters are relatively easy, because there's no record of any roles --- pre-game, post-game, etc. But how about Max Perez Jimenez returning to his chair after 17 years off?

I'm working on three more tables: English Radio, English Televison, and English Cable Television.

[Benjamin Grimm]

This is what I've got so far. It's confirmed from a few different sources. Spanish broadcasters are relatively easy, because there's no record of any roles --- pre-game, post-game, etc. But how about Max Perez Jimenez returning to his chair after 17 years off? I'm working on three more tables: English Radio, English Televison, and English Cable Television.

I've been starting to work on this. (Thanks for putting it together.)

I'm not going to track which stations carried the games; I tried that once and there was all kinds of conflicting information about which radio stations carried the games in which years, and I couldn't tell which sources were the good ones. But I've started breaking the "Broadcaster" category down into multiple sub-categories: Right now I just have Radio and Television, but I'll add Spanish Radio and Spanish Television (have there ever been Spanish TV broadcasts?) I suppose I'll also split TV into Broadcast and Cable, since there have often been separate teams.

I know Howard Cosell was a pre-game host in the very early days, but for most of the Channel 9 days, I don't recall any pre-game or post-game hosts (other than Ralph on Kiner's Korner). When did that return? With the introduction of cable channels, I guess? As for sideline reporters, I was "blacked out" of Mets telecasts from 1998 through 2005, so I don't know much of what came before Kevin Burkhardt. (There was some guy named Chris, I think, who preceded Kevin in 2006, but I can't remember his name.) I don't remember any sideline guys during the SportsChannel days, but as I said, I have no idea who might have been there in those years between SportsChannel and SNY.

[Edgy MD]

I went with the media guides for broadcast carriers. I feel confident in that. I have no evidence that there were ever Spanish-language TV broadcasts, but it's cool to see that the radio broadcasts went back to year one, and that Max Perez Jimenez returned after 18 or so years.

Some of those broadcasters have had other roles as executives or scouts, sometimes concurrently with their broadcast careers, or were producers at the same time they were broadcasting.

[Ceetar]

This is what I've got so far. It's confirmed from a few different sources. Spanish broadcasters are relatively easy, because there's no record of any roles --- pre-game, post-game, etc. But how about Max Perez Jimenez returning to his chair after 17 years off? I'm working on three more tables: English Radio, English Televison, and English Cable Television. I've been starting to work on this. (Thanks for putting it together.) I'm not going to track which stations carried the games; I tried that once and there was all kinds of conflicting information about which radio stations carried the games in which years, and I couldn't tell which sources were the good ones. But I've started breaking the "Broadcaster" category down into multiple sub-categories: Right now I just have Radio and Television, but I'll add Spanish Radio and Spanish Television (have there ever been Spanish TV broadcasts?) I suppose I'll also split TV into Broadcast and Cable, since there have often been separate teams. I know Howard Cosell was a pre-game host in the very early days, but for most of the Channel 9 days, I don't recall any pre-game or post-game hosts (other than Ralph on Kiner's Korner). When did that return? With the introduction of cable channels, I guess? As for sideline reporters, I was "blacked out" of Mets telecasts from 1998 through 2005, so I don't know much of what came before Kevin Burkhardt. (There was some guy named Chris, I think, who preceded Kevin in 2006, but I can't remember his name.) I don't remember any sideline guys during the SportsChannel days, but as I said, I have no idea who might have been there in those years between SportsChannel and SNY.

Chris Cotter i believe. he then went to work in the studio, and now is elsewhere i think.

[G-Fafif]

Matt Loughlin was the primary pre-SNY pregame host, late '90s, early '00s.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Ceetar wrote: Chris Cotter i believe. he then went to work in the studio, and now is elsewhere i think.

That sounds right. I think he left sports and went on to become a business reporter, maybe for the Fox Business Channel?

[Benjamin Grimm]

G-Fafif wrote: Matt Loughlin was the primary pre-SNY pregame host, late '90s, early '00s.

I do have Matt Loughlin's name in the UMDB, but I have to admit I had no idea who he is/was. (There are a couple of others who also fit that category... I'll post them here soon.)

I guess we can further categorize these guys as "Studio Hosts" or "Sideline Reporters." (Mets.com lists Bob Ojeda as a "Studio Analyst" and Kevin Burkhardt as a "Field Reporter". I suppose those titles are just as good as the ones I came up with.) That means that I'd have to link similar roles to guys like Matt Yarnoff and Lee Mazzilli.

[G-Fafif]

SIDELINE: Chris Cotter (2006), Kevin Burkhardt (2007-).

STUDIO: Matt Yallof (2006-2008), Chris Carlin (2009-).

[Edgy MD]

What I've been doing is dividing it by four categories

Pre-Game Broadcaster
In-Game Broadcaster
Post-Game Broadcaster
Field Reporter

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Don't forget the cancer guy. He might have just been a fill-in.

[Guest themetfairy]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Don't forget the cancer guy. He might have just been a fill-in.

Sean Kimmerling? I think he was the WPIX 11 weekend guy.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

OK.

I think I added 30 or 40 "memories" to the UMD tonight, as part of my purging of old scorecards I kept. I need you to maintain these so I can toss these with confidence.

[batmagadanleadoff]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: ... as part of my purging of old scorecards ....

The way this is going, one day the wifey is going to get rid of you in the name of more space.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Any day now.

Yesterday I threw away about 1,000 pages of my old photocopied writing clips after scanning and PDFing them. Found some coolio stuff while I was at it, including that Sarco thing.

[batmagadanleadoff]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Any day now.

Well if she ever hands you your walking papers, maybe you could stay with me for a while. I'd definitely be the Oscar Madison. Here, nothing ever gets thrown out. Especially if it's Mets related. You'd dig that, though, before it wears off.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I sense a budding bromance!

[Frayed Knot]

Every time see there's something new in this thread I have to think for a minute because I realize I forgot what the thread is all about.
Then, after I read the new posts, I realize I still don't know what the thread is about.

[Valadius]

Frayed Knot wrote: Every time see there's something new in this thread I have to think for a minute because I realize I forgot what the thread is all about. Then, after I read the new posts, I realize I still don't know what the thread is about.

Ditto.

[seawolf17]

It took me three and a half pages to equate "dataqueries" with "daiquiries" too.

[Guest themetfairy]

Frayed Knot wrote: Every time see there's something new in this thread I have to think for a minute because I realize I forgot what the thread is all about. Then, after I read the new posts, I realize I still don't know what the thread is about.

Thank G-d I'm not the only one!

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

As mentioned in the first message, this is the thread for questions only the UMDB can answer. This last tangent was whether I could safely throw away my old scorecards.

[seawolf17]

A question like "who holds the Mets record for consecutive games," however, is apparently unanswerable by anyone, even a forum full of Mets fans.

[Edgy MD]

Yesterday's most popular lookup: Jason Isringhausen.