Mets @ Rockies IGT 4-14

[Guest attgig]

great, now throw the 20year old in...

let's see how this goes.

[Frayed Knot]

And I wouldn't want to depend on a pitcher out there as my go-ahead run - especially Ollie[/quote:1c1wsrmn]

You'd rather rely on Cora to hit over Tatis?[/quote:1c1wsrmn]


Well at the time you weren't even sure you were going to get to that point and I'd hate to lose a run because Jacobs was running.
By the time that AB did come up all you needed was a single and Cora's almost as good a bet to get that as Tatis.

[Guest attgig]

yeah.... real smart sending meija up...

[TransMonk]

FUCK!

[Guest attgig]

FACK

[Frayed Knot]

And now none of it matters

[nymr83]

yeah fuck. can we send Mejia down now to work on a changeup or whatever instead of asking a 20-year old kid to come in and pitch for once a week in the 10th inning with no margin for error?

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Fartstink.

[ashie62]

Ojeda is doing the Debbie Downer routine on SNY

[Guest Edgy DC]

yeah fuck. can we send Mejia down now to work on a changeup or whatever instead of asking a 20-year old kid to come in and pitch for once a week in the 10th inning with no margin for error?[/quote:2pj2lvff]

Well, none of those magical eighth inning hold assignments are materializing.

[nymr83]

less magical but ultimately better for development 6 inning starts are available every 5th day in Buffalo... i just feel like he's going to get buried and not pitch often enough up here. the mets should send him down and bring him up either when they are ready to start him or when they actually need his help in the bullpen (which looks fine right now)

[smg58]

And I wouldn't want to depend on a pitcher out there as my go-ahead run - especially Ollie[/quote:1y5uz0q1]

You'd rather rely on Cora to hit over Tatis?[/quote:1y5uz0q1]


Well at the time you weren't even sure you were going to get to that point and I'd hate to lose a run because Jacobs was running.
By the time that AB did come up all you needed was a single and Cora's almost as good a bet to get that as Tatis.[/quote:1y5uz0q1]

So basically we pinch-hit with the better runner and pinch-ran with the better hitter?

[Benjamin Grimm]

So why was Mejia pitching the 10th instead of Rodriguez?

I suspect it was because Jerry was holding Frankie back until he had a "save situation," as if the potential 11th or 12th inning was more important than the actual 10th inning.

Maybe that's one reason (certainly not the main one, though) that home teams win more extra-inning games. The home team can't possibly have a save, so the manager is freed from managing around that stupid statistic.

The sooner they replace Jerry with a smart guy, the better. But I'm afraid they'll just replace him with another mediocrity.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I more than suspect it.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Yeah. Me too.

[bmfc1]

I think that you're exactly right, BG. Jerry--and to be fair, other managers would have done the same thing (which doesn't make it right)--wanted to save Rodriguez for a save situation. The problem, of course, is that you are anticipating something that might never happen while a sudden death situation is actually happening so you need to use your best players to keep the game going.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Keith going on about having to stare at some girl not
realizing they were on the air.

[Centerfield]

A few things...

Tatis for Jacobs: There is no way rational way I can see to defend this move. A manager with even the slightest bit of thinking can anticipate that the matchup there is either Tatis against the righthander or Cora against the lefthander. Over the past three years, Tatis has an OPS of .807 against righties. Cora is at .621 against lefties. This is a no-brainer. I don't know if Cora is faster than Tatis (he has more stolen bases but I don't know that this means anything), but he is at least not any worse, and certainly not enough to justify the difference at the plate.

Whatever the logic, there is absolutely no way to defend making this move four pitches into the at-bat. If it was the right move, it should have been made at the beginning (or, more accurately, not at all). It was so dumb, Tracy was caught completely off-guard by it. He had to warm up his lefty quickly as if saying "Really? Did he just make that move? Am I missing something? Get me my lefty."

Jacobs Jogging: In an extra-inning game, less than two outs, there is absolutely no excuse for not running hard. That ball could have caromed any number of different ways. There is no way to know out of the box that he had no chance at third. If enough was not made of the Wright incident, it needs to be made now. It's bad enough the team sucks. The least they could do is try. Nothing is worse than suck-ass lazy players.

Mejia over Rodriguez: I'm not going to kill Jerry on this one, since no other manager goes against this book either, but I wish people would look at the logic behind this thinking. If you are in a pennant race, deep into the season, and you are protecting your closer from overuse, I think it makes sense not to burn your closer in a game where you may never have the lead. I can see the logic in not wanting to burn your closer on a game you can still lose, and then possibly not have him in a save situation later on. None of this applies here. Rodriguez hasn't been used, we are not in a pennant race, and using him last night would not have prevented him from pitching any future games. Let's face it, this team isn't going to get that many chances. It's interesting that Manuel probably knows he's got very little rope, likely wants to manage to win every single game, but doesn't really know how to do it.

[metirish]

The thing that gets me about holding back Rodriguez is that Manuel used him in non save games this season "because I'm committed to getting him more work".

[Benjamin Grimm]

It's interesting that Manuel probably knows he's got very little rope, likely wants to manage to win every single game, but doesn't really know how to do it.[/quote:1v2rx7rt]

Really.

The onslaught of injuries last year gave Jerry a convenient alibi for the losing, but it was apparent (to us, anyway) that he's not really any good. I'm ready for the next guy.

[Guest Edgy DC]

A few things...

Tatis for Jacobs: ...

Jacobs Jogging: ...

Mejia over Rodriguez: ...

[Centerfield]

Sure, the Jacobs-Tatis thing is x's and o's, but Jacobs loafing is supposed to be Jerry's strength.

I'm with you on the other options though. For me, it's Bobby V or bust.

[Guest attgig]

Whatever the logic, there is absolutely no way to defend making this move four pitches into the at-bat. If it was the right move, it should have been made at the beginning (or, more accurately, not at all). It was so dumb, Tracy was caught completely off-guard by it. He had to warm up his lefty quickly as if saying "Really? Did he just make that move? Am I missing something? Get me my lefty."
[/quote:qynipqsd]


actually a total of 8 pitches. there was the intentional walk to francoeur first. he had many many pitches to think over what he was going to do. of course, it took him 8 pitches to make the wrong move....

[soupcan]

Sure, the Jacobs-Tatis thing is x's and o's, but Jacobs loafing is supposed to be Jerry's strength. I'm with you on the other options though. For me, it's Bobby V or bust.[/quote:1a90vnto]

How would you guys feel about Bobby V. as GM and Wally Backman as manager?

[Benjamin Grimm]

For me, it's Bobby V or bust.[/quote:1ouko3hl]

Bobby would be great, but I'm sure there are others out there that would also be great choices. I don't know who they are, and we won't know for sure (for a while) if we've gotten one of them.

I also don't have a whole lot of faith that the Mets will hire the right guy, unless they do it by accident.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Frack Backman. I used to wear six back in the day to honor him, but he clearly has a personality disorder. I'd probably rather see Oberkfell.

[metirish]

Sure, the Jacobs-Tatis thing is x's and o's, but Jacobs loafing is supposed to be Jerry's strength. I'm with you on the other options though. For me, it's Bobby V or bust.[/quote:1jy2j1yx]

How would you guys feel about Bobby V. as GM and Wally Backman as manager?[/quote:1jy2j1yx]



I kinda like it but I get a feeling that Bobby would rather in the dugout , and if things didn't work with Wally the best canidate will always be Valentine.

[Guest Edgy DC]

There are certainly some cases of GMs suiting up and moving down to the dugout --- Bobby Cox and Jack McKeon to name two. Lou Pinella probably did it at least one of the tiimes the Yankees hired him.

[Benjamin Grimm]

You know, you might get a good year out of Wally, but then his insanity will kick in and he'll go down in flames and take the season with him.

I too would prefer Oberkfell. Or Teufel. Or Melvin. Or any number of other people.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I think the writers are all on board with Bob Melvin.

The Mets in retrospect really screwed up by re-hiring Jerry after 2008: Of course, they should also have fired Omar at that point: At least then, he'd done more the screw up the thing than Jerry had.

I don't see how Omar ought to survive the next managerial whackage.