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# SI_JonHeymanwagner is on verge of accepting #redsox deal, according to sources. 10 mins 'til deadline. #mets7 minutes ago from web

#Bart Hubbuch
NYPost_MetsAfter lobbying by the Mets, a team source says Billy Wagner is now open to the Red Sox trade. No deal yet, though. 1:30 p.m. deadline.7 minutes ago from web

So the Mets had to "lobby" Billy to take the deal. It shows that they do not want to pay his salary for September.


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Done. The Mets got 2 PTBNL.

And the exciting news is that there'll be someone new in a Mets uni tonight.


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Boston.com saying two mid-range prospects in our future....[/quote:35bmdqfi]

SI_JonHeyman#redsox agreed to pay the rest of wagner's salary, which is $2-mil-plus, just for the five weeks.

NYPost_MetsThe Mets are getting two AA-level prospects. The Red Sox agreed to decline Wagner's option but are retaining draft-pick compensation.


I expected nothing as I thought the Mets would be happy to save $2 million. The Red Sox mid-range prospects could be upper-level Mets prospects.


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from Boston.com

A source told Tony Massarotti that the Red Sox will not pick up Wagner's $8 million option for 2010 but will retain the right to offer Wagner arbitration, meaning they would get two compensatory draft picks.


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would it have been worth more to the Mets to spend the $2m and have 2 high draft picks, or save the money and get 2 "mid-level" AA prospects?

Well, first, we need to see which prospects they are; secondly, i trust the Sox talent eval dept more than the Mets. That being said, i hope we didn't fail to maximize Wags' long-term value just to save some short term $.


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NYPost_MetsJust passed Billy Wagner in the team hotel as he was headed back to his room. He had a big grin and said, "I'm outta here!"


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Oops, I forgot to look at the Sea Dog pitchers!

How about Felix Doubront or Junichi Tazawa?[/quote:29relqb9]

Tazawa is in the big leagues now, so it won't be him. I'll take Ryan Kalish and Adam Mills.


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From boston.com:

It is not expected that any more than one of the two players the Sox are giving up will come from the 40-man roster, and neither is considered an upper-tier prospect.
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From NY Baseball Digest:

Billy Wagner Trade: Who Are PTBNL?

By Howard Megdal ~ August 25th, 2009. Filed under: Howard Megdal.

It is done. The Billy Wagner Era, lasting approximately 3 7/9 seasons, has come to an end with New York dealing Wagner to Boston for two players to be named later.

Mike Axisa of MLBTradeRumors speculates that the two players are on Boston�s 40-man roster, but wouldn�t have gotten through waivers, thus making the PTBNL process necessary. Bart Hubbuch of the New York Post says the pair are Double-A prospects.

So who will it be? Among the 40-man, only one player is currently in Double-A: Felix Doubront.

This would be fantastic. Doubront is holding his own as a 21-year-old at Double-A.In 104 innings, he has 94 strikeouts, 48 walks and a 3.38 ERA. He doesn�t turn 22 until October. This would be a nice return by itself for Wagner. the Mets need upper-level help, and chances are a draft pick wouldn�t be this good or this advanced in 2010.

As for the Triple-A members of the 40-man roster, the talent really runs the gamut, from players like Michael Bowden and Josh Reddick, to lesser lights like Mark Wagner and Brian Anderson.

If the Mets compromised on a pair like the latter two- and I suppose it is distinctly possible, if they were frightened enough of offering Wagner arbitration to simply prefer to be rid of his salary- they absolutely did not get decent value for a pitcher who provides help to Boston in 2009, and who could have netted a pair of draft picks for the Mets in 2010.

Only time will tell, but this is the lay of the PTBNL land right now. Hope for Reddick and Doubront; get ready to settle for Wagner and Anderson.


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Felix Doubrant is the only current Seadog on the Red Sox 40-man roster (as of 8/16/09). I'd be happy if he were one of the players... he looks like a 21-year old LH power pitcher.


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The Mets take money off the books, plus they get guys that will hopefully offset the loss of the picks. All's well that ends well.


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The Mets take money off the books, plus they get guys that will hopefully offset the loss of the picks. All's well that ends well.[/quote:pkxugdss]

the money coming off the books this year means nothing to us, and if the guys they're getting have significantly less upside than the picks might've had, then they've sold an asset for less than optimum value, just to put some short-terms bucks back in their own pockets.

I don't want to go off on them yet, until i see what prospects we've gotten and what might've been available with the compensation picks, but its not like they're ability to save $2m of this year's budget is going to make a flea's dick worth of difference for next season. It just mean Jeffy doesn't have to sell the yacht.


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The Mets take money off the books, plus they get guys that will hopefully offset the loss of the picks. All's well that ends well.[/quote:3n3hkfng]

the money coming off the books this year means nothing to us, and if the guys they're getting have significantly less upside than the picks might've had, then they've sold an asset for less than optimum value, just to put some short-terms bucks back in their own pockets.

I don't want to go off on them yet, until i see what prospects we've gotten and what might've been available with the compensation picks, but its not like they're ability to save $2m of this year's budget is going to make a flea's dick worth of difference for next season. It just mean Jeffy doesn't have to sell the yacht.[/quote:3n3hkfng]

I wonder. Were someone to stake me, I wouldn't turn down an offer to sit at a high-stakes poker table with the Wilpons and our other front-office staff.

I've spilled enough e-ink on the matter. Let's just say I'm with you, Sage.


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The buzz we've been hearing about how $30 million will be coming off the payroll, and that the Mets won't be reinvesting all of it, is not very encouraging. Hopefully it's not true. (If they reinvest $28 million of the $30 million, I won't gripe too hard, but if they put all 30 in their pockets, then it's a sure sign that we're entering another period of mediocrity.)


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That has to be collusion or something, right?[/quote:2dtfh2iv]

moot point now, i know that the opposite IS allowed, Beltran has a contract clause that the Mets won't offer arbitration when the current contract runs out. the mets/wagner could have always handled it that way (add a clause saying that wagner will decline it if offered, and they'd up his buyout accordingly to make it all an amended part of the existing contract)


as for the trade itself, i'll reserve judgment until i see who the PTBNLs are.


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I don't suppose the PTBNLs are Josh Beckett and Dustin Pedroia......sigh.


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The Boston Herald is reporting that one of the players is Chris Carter, a lefty OF/1B with some pop who keeps getting stranded in AAA. There are some concerns about his defense, but he appears to have a good enough bat for an NL bench.


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Chris Carter is supposed to be one of the two PTBNL. Not the ex-Viking. Not the host of "Breakfast With The Beatles."

Wikipedia already has him on the Mets. He got the first RBI at CF (in the exhibition game).

http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=4002921

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Carter_%28left-handed_hitter%29

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/C/Chris-Carter.shtml

Mr. Administrator: perhaps we could have a separate thread for the post-trade activity?


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