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="Kong76":2mpdu8tr]How did Harry Parker land at #130 on our all time 500 Mets list?[/quote:2mpdu8tr] I was actually wondering the same thing. I'm using that list for my Mets autograph collection, and he's one of the few Top 200 guys I still need... and I don't think I've ever even heard of him.

SteveJRogers Jan 27 2009 07:56 PM

="Kong76":3kheizku] How did Harry Parker land at #130 on our all time 500 Mets list?[/quote:3kheizku] Because the Mets have had a lot more crappy players and Parker lasted long enough to be considered a "decent piece of crap" or something? SteveJRogers Jan 27 2009 07:57 PM Speaking of which, Butch Huskey in the Top 100? But hey, I guess that is what you get when you create a system that rewards the here and now over the whole picture of a Metly career. Kong76 Jan 27 2009 08:07 PM A lot of work went into the rankings, and it's not perfect ... I threw out Harry because looking at who I need to get pics of and when I see him at 130 I scratched my head. I don't really understand the what you mean by rewarding the here and now over the whole picture or whatever. But whatever. SteveJRogers Jan 27 2009 08:22 PM ="Kong76":3gb03sli]A lot of work went into the rankings, and it's not perfect ... I threw out Harry because looking at who I need to get pics of and when I see him at 130 I scratched my head. I don't really understand the what you mean by rewarding the here and now over the whole picture or whatever. But whatever.[/quote:3gb03sli] I know Kase. What I was going was that the position for a given year hold for that player, they can not move down on their own merit, they can only go up on their merit. To use, eh, Doc Gooden as an example. He built enough of a lead off of his first few seasons that despite his fall off starting roughly in 1987 that he would never falter from his lofty place in Met-dom. Oh sure he eventually put up numbers that make his place on our rankings warranted, but if a Met historian was going through the totality of Met history, Doc could concievably rank third, fourth or even fifth among all time Met hurlers (eh, only Koosman off hand do I see even being considered to be placed higher but you never know with some Sabermetricians or anyone really). Frayed Knot Jan 27 2009 09:09 PM ="SteveJRogers"]I guess that is what you get when you create a system that rewards the here and now over the whole picture of a Metly career. Actually the system specifically takes into account the "whole picture of a Metly career" so I don't know WTF you're talking about. And, no, I don't want an explanation because I don't think you do either so a follow up will probably just make us both more confused. Rockin' Doc Jan 27 2009 09:24 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 28 2009 11:19 AM Sometimes when I read Steve's posts, I think he's typing in tongues. Edgy DC Jan 28 2009 07:03 AM ="SteveJRogers":3k37b4p7]Oh sure he eventually put up numbers that make his place on our rankings warranted, but if a Met historian was going through the totality of Met history, Doc could concievably rank third, fourth or even fifth among all time Met hurlers (eh, only Koosman off hand do I see even being considered to be placed higher but you never know with some Sabermetricians or anyone really).[/quote:3k37b4p7] That's true. You never know with anyone. ? Benjamin Grimm Jan 28 2009 02:04 PM What's funny to me is that when the banner has a photo of someone who played for the Mets 30 to 35 years ago, I recognize him every time. But when it's someone from the last ten to fifteen years, I often don't know for sure who it is. cooby Jan 28 2009 06:25 PM god, I'm glad somebody else said that first. Edgy DC Jan 28 2009 06:29 PM ="cooby":nushvdsi]god, I'm glad somebody else said that first.[/quote:nushvdsi] I'm glad somebody else said that second. Of course, you and I don't have a database of these mugs. SteveJRogers Jan 28 2009 07:19 PM ="Edgy DC":3lhjvaqr] ="SteveJRogers":3lhjvaqr]Oh sure he eventually put up numbers that make his place on our rankings warranted, but if a Met historian was going through the totality of Met history, Doc could concievably rank third, fourth or even fifth among all time Met hurlers (eh, only Koosman off hand do I see even being considered to be placed higher but you never know with some Sabermetricians or anyone really).[/quote:3lhjvaqr] That's true. You never know with anyone. ?[/quote:3lhjvaqr] I should really cut out the incoherent part of my ramblings huh? You never know what someone is going to do when justifying reasons for putting Dwight Gooden lower than 2nd on a list of all-time Metly hurlers. Maybe Matlack's and Darling's postseason successes could make someone chose them over Gooden. I wouldn't, but I can see that case being made. Kong76 Jan 28 2009 07:43 PM SJI: I should really cut out the incoherent part of my ramblings huh? <<< I utter this to myself often, but I ramble on. Don't change, Steve ... the only person you can be is you. SteveJRogers Jan 31 2009 06:32 PM Kase, why am I looking at Sidd Fynch? It is not April 1st yet. Well, just asking in case there is a reason beyond "random generator." Kong76 Jan 31 2009 07:08 PM Super Bowl Sunday silliness. metsguyinmichigan Feb 01 2009 08:40 PM Brilliant! metirish Feb 02 2009 06:47 AM One of the best stories ever told.....love it. Frayed Knot Feb 02 2009 07:37 AM We could definitely use Finch in our rotation this year but he's recently hired Boras as his agent and now there are rumors of a secret monastery in the bidding for his services. Kong76 Feb 02 2009 03:49 PM Going over my lists, I think I messed up a few things ... First, I think I did Eddie Murray twice. This is Dick Selma, right? Frisella and Heilman remain from the top 100 as undone. I did Charlie Neal twice too? I better not quit my day job. Edgy DC Feb 03 2009 07:20 AM Neal's intensity is worth a double dose, though. He looks part Comanche. batmagadanleadoff Feb 03 2009 05:23 PM Neal's batting helmet is flocked. Kong76 Feb 03 2009 06:10 PM It is kind of an odd picture. It's cropped from a photo in Tales from the 1962 New York Mets, by Janet Paskin, and the photo credit is Getty Images. Edgy DC Feb 04 2009 07:01 AM Getty was born in the nineties. Funny to see them distributing pictures of the early Mets, but I guess they've been buying up old libraries. They're a great business model for the nu economy, by the way. themetfairy Feb 27 2009 06:38 PM themetfairy Mar 02 2009 04:22 PM David Weathers? Kong76 Mar 03 2009 12:35 PM Formality of doing all top 200 ... I got rid of him quick :-) Benjamin Grimm Mar 03 2009 12:38 PM Didn't we once calculate that it will take something like 60,000 years for Tom Seaver to fall out of the top 500? I wonder how long it would take for David Weathers to fall out of the top 200? themetfairy Mar 03 2009 06:44 PM ="Kong76":2bnhmr7e]Formality of doing all top 200 ... I got rid of him quick :-)[/quote:2bnhmr7e] It wasn't a complaint. Weathers was actually nice to the kids before a game in Kansas City (shortly before he was traded). I was just trying to identify the photo. Kong76 Mar 04 2009 04:45 AM I didn't think you were complaining. seawolf17 Mar 25 2009 03:09 PM Is that my homeboy, Pistol Pete Harnisch? Kong76 Mar 25 2009 03:43 PM Yup �, from a 1995 program ... soupcan Mar 27 2009 07:36 AM Crazy Pete! SteveJRogers Mar 28 2009 09:34 AM Nicely done! Benjamin Grimm Apr 03 2009 02:06 PM Ray Knight looks like he's squeezing out a fart. metirish Apr 03 2009 02:29 PM Looks a bit like Kevin Appier when I first took notice , Appier featured that stance quite a bit too IIRC. TransMonk Apr 07 2009 03:49 PM Never bitched before, but the banner reads: Everybody in the pool! Joining us for off-season hot stove discussion is easy. Shoot us an email introducing yourself and letting us know what user name you'd like to use. An admin will activate your user name asap, and send you sign-on instructions. Thanks for visiting! Time to update for 2009! Kong76 Apr 07 2009 04:00 PM Thanks for the nudge, I was dosing again. TransMonk Apr 08 2009 09:26 AM As always, the admins do a great job with this site. MFS62 Apr 08 2009 10:07 AM ="TransMonk":34eve5h6]As always, the admins do a great job with this site.[/quote:34eve5h6] Except when they ignore my fervent plea for help. Later Kong76 Apr 08 2009 05:17 PM Trying to make my numbers add up. This was Jeff Reardon, right? ... Kong76 Apr 08 2009 05:28 PM 142 doesn't show up with my chicken scratch list either. Dick Selma? I'm just being lazy, I'll figure it out if no one chimes in. SteveJRogers Apr 12 2009 07:00 PM Whats with the Announcer Troika? Not that I'm complaining of course. Edgy DC Apr 12 2009 07:26 PM Seems self-explanatory. Met Hunter Apr 12 2009 11:34 PM ="Kong76"]Trying to make my numbers add up. This was Jeff Reardon, right? ... This one looks like Neil Allen. Met Hunter Apr 12 2009 11:34 PM ="Kong76"]142 doesn't show up with my chicken scratch list either. Dick Selma? I'm just being lazy, I'll figure it out if no one chimes in. This is Larry Bearnarth. Kong76 Apr 15 2009 06:33 PM Thanks, MH ... I've been busy and haven't been able to look at this much. SteveJRogers Apr 20 2009 06:26 PM So the player's name is going to be linked in the banner going forward, or is this just a random "hey it's Cliff, why not" sort of thing? Kong76 Apr 20 2009 07:19 PM Started with D.J. Dozier over the weekend, no one noticed. Top 200 Mets thing died with ~ 15 left ... the CPF contract with the Ramones has expired too ... everyone hates the new stadium ... David Wright can only hit when no one is on base ... if it weren't for Johan I'd just pull the plug. Random Mets from here on in until further notice. Rockin' Doc Apr 20 2009 07:39 PM Bang! Pow! Cliff Floyd is one of my all-time favorite Mets. Nice to see him making an appearance around the 'pool once again. Edgy DC Apr 20 2009 08:19 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 20 2009 10:35 PM The Crane Pool Forum has appreciated their relationship over the years with the Ramones, but after recent meetings with Marky, Tommy, and CJ, all agreed that it was best for both parties to go in seperate directions. We wish the Ramones well and hope for opportunities to work together in the future. In the meantime, the Crane Pool Forum is very excited about the new era of linking our introduction statement to our banner, to help people understand who exactly we're looking at. In an age of names which honor corporate relationships trumping names that are meaningful to the fan's and the city's relationship with the team, we feel confident in making a countercultural choice, and hope the fans will be excited to see us zag as other fora continue to zig. Frayed Knot Apr 20 2009 09:14 PM ]Started with D.J. Dozier over the weekend, no one noticed. I did. Elster88 Apr 20 2009 11:43 PM I noticed. I like it. Met Hunter Apr 21 2009 10:00 AM I like to try guessing. I recognized DJ before I saw the name. Now I will just guess without looking to the right. Edgy DC Apr 21 2009 11:34 AM That looks like the photo that produced the BANG! POW! image, but that one had him in the orange jersey. G-Fafif Apr 21 2009 12:04 PM Love the Player ID program. Great touch. The Ramones can go their own way. Or is that Fleetwood Mac? Fman99 Apr 21 2009 12:16 PM ="Elster88":wx56um7b]I noticed. I like it.[/quote:wx56um7b] Ditto. I didn't notice it with Dozier but I did today with Floyd. Even better for us younger sorts, who don't instantly recognize the 1960s-1970s era Mets just by head shots. SteveJRogers Apr 22 2009 06:09 PM Give it up for David Wright's agent! Met Hunter Apr 22 2009 06:59 PM Man, I can still remember when Keith was that thin. Elster88 Apr 28 2009 10:04 PM Looks like the banner has "click here" instead of the player's name. Is that intentional? Kong76 Apr 29 2009 04:24 PM I never know if Elster is serious. But, if you click on "click here" it will bring you to the UMDB page of the player pictured. I figured when I was putting the name some people were disappointed because they liked to guess so click here fixes that. Farmer Ted May 04 2009 03:04 PM I like it. I like it a lot. metsmarathon May 04 2009 03:22 PM ]Intelligent, lively, and provocative discussion of the Mets, Ed Kranepool, and, when we're gettin' on a roll, this guy! Kong76 May 04 2009 04:43 PM Thanks, that flows better. batmagadanleadoff May 05 2009 04:22 PM Thurman Munson? Rockin' Doc May 05 2009 06:05 PM Damn, I never knew Gorman Thomas played for the Mets. G-Fafif May 09 2009 07:05 AM Bill Denehy's all right, but I really love that view beyond the 358 sign. metirish May 11 2009 01:16 PM I liked Rick White.....was it Kiner or Healy that would always mess his name up? I remember Rick being big for us in 2000 , always seemed to be in trouble though. Fman99 May 11 2009 02:17 PM ="metirish":1aprm4tv]I liked Rick White.....was it Kiner or Healy that would always mess his name up? I remember Rick being big for us in 2000 , always seemed to be in trouble though.[/quote:1aprm4tv] I attended the game[/url:1aprm4tv] that he debuted as a Met in, in 2000, that was also Mike (A-)Bordick's debut game in which he homered. Rick picked up the win in relief of Rick Reed that day. seawolf17 May 11 2009 06:47 PM ="metirish":2d0fy8i4]I liked Rick White.....was it Kiner or Healy that would always mess his name up? I remember Rick being big for us in 2000 , always seemed to be in trouble though.[/quote:2d0fy8i4] You mean "Rick Wheat"? G-Fafif May 11 2009 09:23 PM It was Fran: "Shea will be ricking for Rock White!" I have yet to miss Fran Healy. cooby May 12 2009 06:56 PM I will miss Fran Healy until my bones are dust in the wind.... Who is that now? Rockin' Doc May 12 2009 07:11 PM Robotic Danny Heep! cooby May 12 2009 07:12 PM Izzit? I remember him... Edgy DC May 13 2009 07:34 AM Looking at Heep here, I realize I have a mostly irrational hatred of shaving down the knob at the end of the bat and wrapping one's lower hands around the shaven knob. (grumpy old man)Your hands belong above the knob.(/grumpy) (I'm also not particular to when guys have dimples hollowed out at the end of their bats. (I think Wally Backman was the first guy I noticed with such a bat, but it probably pre-dates him by at least a decade..) Benjamin Grimm May 13 2009 08:12 AM "wrapping one's hands around the shaven knob" That definitely calls for a response from Fman. metsmarathon May 13 2009 08:23 AM i would've expected the knob never to need shaving... MFS62 May 15 2009 07:51 AM I'm seeing the dreaded red x in the box instead of a picture on this morning's banner. EDIT: Never mind, the picture just found its way in there. Later metirish May 19 2009 05:31 PM Castillo looks a bit like Ortiz , yes/no? Edgy DC May 21 2009 04:20 PM Mike Cubbage and his magic leviation glasses. Swan Swan H May 21 2009 05:09 PM See the ball, hit the ball. Met Hunter May 22 2009 06:11 AM Last summer my daughter had a soccer tourney in Va Beach. The last day there, a bunch of us happened upon a Tides game in Norfolk. I noticed Cubbage sitting behind us in a Rays hat and a clipboard. He's a scout. He was so noticeable to me. Between innings we said hello and he was nice as can be. cooby Jun 04 2009 08:16 PM Is that "Sweetness" Luis Lopez? Kong76 Jun 04 2009 08:26 PM Click on the the 'this guy' link and find out each and every time the picture changes! cooby Jun 04 2009 08:28 PM Cool! I thought it still was about the Ramones Kong76 Jun 04 2009 08:34 PM She continues the friend or foe game. Benjamin Grimm Jun 05 2009 06:48 AM ="Kong76":29zavirn]Click on the the 'this guy' link and find out each and every time the picture changes![/quote:29zavirn] I love the addition of the "this guy" link. It's very helpful, since I recognize very few of the players that appeared in 1990 or after. Frayed Knot Jun 05 2009 08:13 PM It's Luis Lopez, but is it 'Super Luis Lopez Ultra'? cooby Jun 06 2009 10:30 AM ="Kong76":15bfr057]She continues the friend or foe game.[/quote:15bfr057] Now Kasey, don't take that the wrong way. It's kind of like the front door to your house. You don't notice all the squished bugs and spider webs and hand prints and stuff on it until after somebody has stopped by and suddenly you realize that you don't even really look at your front door anymore. I know you won't know what I'm talking about. Edgy DC Jun 06 2009 02:23 PM ="Frayed Knot":1q2hkxgb]It's Luis Lopez, but is it 'Super Luis Lopez Ultra'?[/quote:1q2hkxgb] I prefer Luis "Left Eye" Lopez. metirish Jun 06 2009 02:49 PM ="Benjamin Grimm":33ihq0he] ="Kong76":33ihq0he]Click on the the 'this guy' link and find out each and every time the picture changes![/quote:33ihq0he] I love the addition of the "this guy" link. It's very helpful, since I recognize very few of the players that appeared in 1990 or after.[/quote:33ihq0he] Me too , never noticed it before. Kong76 Jun 06 2009 03:35 PM coo: I know you won't know what I'm talking about <<< I don't even know what I'm talking about some days. Hopefully if there are more people who didn't realize that was a link, they will read this thread and utilize it. cooby Jun 07 2009 11:12 AM What i kinda meant was you can look at your own front door over and over again and not really see it cooby Jun 14 2009 09:23 AM at last! Kong76 Jun 27 2009 07:02 AM I guess the joke's on me! I posted an invitation on the "this guy" up top (to see if anyone really clicks there) and see if I got any bites. I get one PM from the coobster that his name is Julio and eats iguannas which is where I my brain was going with it but I didn't remember he spent time in the clink for murder?? ---------- Wikipedia: Julio Machado, born Julio Segundo Machado Rond�n (December 1, 1965 in Zulia State, Venezuela) is a former Major League Baseball right-handed relief pitcher who played for the New York Mets (1989-90) and Milwaukee Brewers (1990-91). Machado started his career with the Mets. In the 1990 season, he went to the Brewers in a four-player deal, along with pitcher Kevin Brown, in exchange for catcher Charlie O'Brien and a minor league player. Machado had a decent fastball, good control and willingness to challenge hitters. He also pitched a better-than-average curveball and a slider. Machado was certainly good enough to pitch for a few more years. However, he is a footnote in the ledger of baseball history. Spending the 1991 off-season in his homeland, Machado was arrested for murder being accused of shooting a woman following an auto accident. He was convicted and, following appeals, he was sentenced to 12 years in 1996. In a three-year career, Machado posted a 7-5 record with 151 strikeouts and a 3.12 ERA in 147 innings. Machado went on to play in the Venezuelan winter league and currently coaches in that league. Machado was nicknamed "Iguanaman" for his fondness of eating the meat of iguanas. ---------- Next time our paths cross, coobs ... I owe you a beer! Edgy DC Jun 27 2009 01:08 PM I conflate Julio Machado and Jose Bautista. Benjamin Grimm Jun 27 2009 01:10 PM My newest conflation is Elmer Dessens and Casey Fossum. seawolf17 Jun 27 2009 05:39 PM I loved Julio Machado. Unquestionably in the bullpen of my All-Time Mets 25-Man Roster. Frayed Knot Jul 15 2009 05:32 PM That's either Roy McMillan or Harry Truman

[stevejrogers]

="Kong76":3kheizku] How did Harry Parker land at #130 on our all time 500 Mets list?[/quote:3kheizku] Because the Mets have had a lot more crappy players and Parker lasted long enough to be considered a "decent piece of crap" or something?

SteveJRogers Jan 27 2009 07:57 PM

Speaking of which, Butch Huskey in the Top 100? But hey, I guess that is what you get when you create a system that rewards the here and now over the whole picture of a Metly career.

Kong76 Jan 27 2009 08:07 PM

A lot of work went into the rankings, and it's not perfect ... I threw out Harry because looking at who I need to get pics of and when I see him at 130 I scratched my head. I don't really understand the what you mean by rewarding the here and now over the whole picture or whatever. But whatever.

SteveJRogers Jan 27 2009 08:22 PM

="Kong76":3gb03sli]A lot of work went into the rankings, and it's not perfect ... I threw out Harry because looking at who I need to get pics of and when I see him at 130 I scratched my head. I don't really understand the what you mean by rewarding the here and now over the whole picture or whatever. But whatever.[/quote:3gb03sli] I know Kase. What I was going was that the position for a given year hold for that player, they can not move down on their own merit, they can only go up on their merit. To use, eh, Doc Gooden as an example. He built enough of a lead off of his first few seasons that despite his fall off starting roughly in 1987 that he would never falter from his lofty place in Met-dom. Oh sure he eventually put up numbers that make his place on our rankings warranted, but if a Met historian was going through the totality of Met history, Doc could concievably rank third, fourth or even fifth among all time Met hurlers (eh, only Koosman off hand do I see even being considered to be placed higher but you never know with some Sabermetricians or anyone really). Frayed Knot Jan 27 2009 09:09 PM ="SteveJRogers"]I guess that is what you get when you create a system that rewards the here and now over the whole picture of a Metly career. Actually the system specifically takes into account the "whole picture of a Metly career" so I don't know WTF you're talking about. And, no, I don't want an explanation because I don't think you do either so a follow up will probably just make us both more confused. Rockin' Doc Jan 27 2009 09:24 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 28 2009 11:19 AM Sometimes when I read Steve's posts, I think he's typing in tongues. Edgy DC Jan 28 2009 07:03 AM ="SteveJRogers":3k37b4p7]Oh sure he eventually put up numbers that make his place on our rankings warranted, but if a Met historian was going through the totality of Met history, Doc could concievably rank third, fourth or even fifth among all time Met hurlers (eh, only Koosman off hand do I see even being considered to be placed higher but you never know with some Sabermetricians or anyone really).[/quote:3k37b4p7] That's true. You never know with anyone. ? Benjamin Grimm Jan 28 2009 02:04 PM What's funny to me is that when the banner has a photo of someone who played for the Mets 30 to 35 years ago, I recognize him every time. But when it's someone from the last ten to fifteen years, I often don't know for sure who it is. cooby Jan 28 2009 06:25 PM god, I'm glad somebody else said that first. Edgy DC Jan 28 2009 06:29 PM ="cooby":nushvdsi]god, I'm glad somebody else said that first.[/quote:nushvdsi] I'm glad somebody else said that second. Of course, you and I don't have a database of these mugs. SteveJRogers Jan 28 2009 07:19 PM ="Edgy DC":3lhjvaqr] ="SteveJRogers":3lhjvaqr]Oh sure he eventually put up numbers that make his place on our rankings warranted, but if a Met historian was going through the totality of Met history, Doc could concievably rank third, fourth or even fifth among all time Met hurlers (eh, only Koosman off hand do I see even being considered to be placed higher but you never know with some Sabermetricians or anyone really).[/quote:3lhjvaqr] That's true. You never know with anyone. ?[/quote:3lhjvaqr] I should really cut out the incoherent part of my ramblings huh? You never know what someone is going to do when justifying reasons for putting Dwight Gooden lower than 2nd on a list of all-time Metly hurlers. Maybe Matlack's and Darling's postseason successes could make someone chose them over Gooden. I wouldn't, but I can see that case being made. Kong76 Jan 28 2009 07:43 PM SJI: I should really cut out the incoherent part of my ramblings huh? <<< I utter this to myself often, but I ramble on. Don't change, Steve ... the only person you can be is you. SteveJRogers Jan 31 2009 06:32 PM Kase, why am I looking at Sidd Fynch? It is not April 1st yet. Well, just asking in case there is a reason beyond "random generator." Kong76 Jan 31 2009 07:08 PM Super Bowl Sunday silliness. metsguyinmichigan Feb 01 2009 08:40 PM Brilliant! metirish Feb 02 2009 06:47 AM One of the best stories ever told.....love it. Frayed Knot Feb 02 2009 07:37 AM We could definitely use Finch in our rotation this year but he's recently hired Boras as his agent and now there are rumors of a secret monastery in the bidding for his services. Kong76 Feb 02 2009 03:49 PM Going over my lists, I think I messed up a few things ... First, I think I did Eddie Murray twice. This is Dick Selma, right? Frisella and Heilman remain from the top 100 as undone. I did Charlie Neal twice too? I better not quit my day job. Edgy DC Feb 03 2009 07:20 AM Neal's intensity is worth a double dose, though. He looks part Comanche. batmagadanleadoff Feb 03 2009 05:23 PM Neal's batting helmet is flocked. Kong76 Feb 03 2009 06:10 PM It is kind of an odd picture. It's cropped from a photo in Tales from the 1962 New York Mets, by Janet Paskin, and the photo credit is Getty Images. Edgy DC Feb 04 2009 07:01 AM Getty was born in the nineties. Funny to see them distributing pictures of the early Mets, but I guess they've been buying up old libraries. They're a great business model for the nu economy, by the way. themetfairy Feb 27 2009 06:38 PM themetfairy Mar 02 2009 04:22 PM David Weathers? Kong76 Mar 03 2009 12:35 PM Formality of doing all top 200 ... I got rid of him quick :-) Benjamin Grimm Mar 03 2009 12:38 PM Didn't we once calculate that it will take something like 60,000 years for Tom Seaver to fall out of the top 500? I wonder how long it would take for David Weathers to fall out of the top 200? themetfairy Mar 03 2009 06:44 PM ="Kong76":2bnhmr7e]Formality of doing all top 200 ... I got rid of him quick :-)[/quote:2bnhmr7e] It wasn't a complaint. Weathers was actually nice to the kids before a game in Kansas City (shortly before he was traded). I was just trying to identify the photo. Kong76 Mar 04 2009 04:45 AM I didn't think you were complaining. seawolf17 Mar 25 2009 03:09 PM Is that my homeboy, Pistol Pete Harnisch? Kong76 Mar 25 2009 03:43 PM Yup �, from a 1995 program ... soupcan Mar 27 2009 07:36 AM Crazy Pete! SteveJRogers Mar 28 2009 09:34 AM Nicely done! Benjamin Grimm Apr 03 2009 02:06 PM Ray Knight looks like he's squeezing out a fart. metirish Apr 03 2009 02:29 PM Looks a bit like Kevin Appier when I first took notice , Appier featured that stance quite a bit too IIRC. TransMonk Apr 07 2009 03:49 PM Never bitched before, but the banner reads: Everybody in the pool! Joining us for off-season hot stove discussion is easy. Shoot us an email introducing yourself and letting us know what user name you'd like to use. An admin will activate your user name asap, and send you sign-on instructions. Thanks for visiting! Time to update for 2009! Kong76 Apr 07 2009 04:00 PM Thanks for the nudge, I was dosing again. TransMonk Apr 08 2009 09:26 AM As always, the admins do a great job with this site. MFS62 Apr 08 2009 10:07 AM ="TransMonk":34eve5h6]As always, the admins do a great job with this site.[/quote:34eve5h6] Except when they ignore my fervent plea for help. Later Kong76 Apr 08 2009 05:17 PM Trying to make my numbers add up. This was Jeff Reardon, right? ... Kong76 Apr 08 2009 05:28 PM 142 doesn't show up with my chicken scratch list either. Dick Selma? I'm just being lazy, I'll figure it out if no one chimes in. SteveJRogers Apr 12 2009 07:00 PM Whats with the Announcer Troika? Not that I'm complaining of course. Edgy DC Apr 12 2009 07:26 PM Seems self-explanatory. Met Hunter Apr 12 2009 11:34 PM ="Kong76"]Trying to make my numbers add up. This was Jeff Reardon, right? ... This one looks like Neil Allen. Met Hunter Apr 12 2009 11:34 PM ="Kong76"]142 doesn't show up with my chicken scratch list either. Dick Selma? I'm just being lazy, I'll figure it out if no one chimes in. This is Larry Bearnarth. Kong76 Apr 15 2009 06:33 PM Thanks, MH ... I've been busy and haven't been able to look at this much. SteveJRogers Apr 20 2009 06:26 PM So the player's name is going to be linked in the banner going forward, or is this just a random "hey it's Cliff, why not" sort of thing? Kong76 Apr 20 2009 07:19 PM Started with D.J. Dozier over the weekend, no one noticed. Top 200 Mets thing died with ~ 15 left ... the CPF contract with the Ramones has expired too ... everyone hates the new stadium ... David Wright can only hit when no one is on base ... if it weren't for Johan I'd just pull the plug. Random Mets from here on in until further notice. Rockin' Doc Apr 20 2009 07:39 PM Bang! Pow! Cliff Floyd is one of my all-time favorite Mets. Nice to see him making an appearance around the 'pool once again. Edgy DC Apr 20 2009 08:19 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 20 2009 10:35 PM The Crane Pool Forum has appreciated their relationship over the years with the Ramones, but after recent meetings with Marky, Tommy, and CJ, all agreed that it was best for both parties to go in seperate directions. We wish the Ramones well and hope for opportunities to work together in the future. In the meantime, the Crane Pool Forum is very excited about the new era of linking our introduction statement to our banner, to help people understand who exactly we're looking at. In an age of names which honor corporate relationships trumping names that are meaningful to the fan's and the city's relationship with the team, we feel confident in making a countercultural choice, and hope the fans will be excited to see us zag as other fora continue to zig. Frayed Knot Apr 20 2009 09:14 PM ]Started with D.J. Dozier over the weekend, no one noticed. I did. Elster88 Apr 20 2009 11:43 PM I noticed. I like it. Met Hunter Apr 21 2009 10:00 AM I like to try guessing. I recognized DJ before I saw the name. Now I will just guess without looking to the right. Edgy DC Apr 21 2009 11:34 AM That looks like the photo that produced the BANG! POW! image, but that one had him in the orange jersey. G-Fafif Apr 21 2009 12:04 PM Love the Player ID program. Great touch. The Ramones can go their own way. Or is that Fleetwood Mac? Fman99 Apr 21 2009 12:16 PM ="Elster88":wx56um7b]I noticed. I like it.[/quote:wx56um7b] Ditto. I didn't notice it with Dozier but I did today with Floyd. Even better for us younger sorts, who don't instantly recognize the 1960s-1970s era Mets just by head shots. SteveJRogers Apr 22 2009 06:09 PM Give it up for David Wright's agent! Met Hunter Apr 22 2009 06:59 PM Man, I can still remember when Keith was that thin. Elster88 Apr 28 2009 10:04 PM Looks like the banner has "click here" instead of the player's name. Is that intentional? Kong76 Apr 29 2009 04:24 PM I never know if Elster is serious. But, if you click on "click here" it will bring you to the UMDB page of the player pictured. I figured when I was putting the name some people were disappointed because they liked to guess so click here fixes that. Farmer Ted May 04 2009 03:04 PM I like it. I like it a lot. metsmarathon May 04 2009 03:22 PM ]Intelligent, lively, and provocative discussion of the Mets, Ed Kranepool, and, when we're gettin' on a roll, this guy! Kong76 May 04 2009 04:43 PM Thanks, that flows better. batmagadanleadoff May 05 2009 04:22 PM Thurman Munson? Rockin' Doc May 05 2009 06:05 PM Damn, I never knew Gorman Thomas played for the Mets. G-Fafif May 09 2009 07:05 AM Bill Denehy's all right, but I really love that view beyond the 358 sign. metirish May 11 2009 01:16 PM I liked Rick White.....was it Kiner or Healy that would always mess his name up? I remember Rick being big for us in 2000 , always seemed to be in trouble though. Fman99 May 11 2009 02:17 PM ="metirish":1aprm4tv]I liked Rick White.....was it Kiner or Healy that would always mess his name up? I remember Rick being big for us in 2000 , always seemed to be in trouble though.[/quote:1aprm4tv] I attended the game[/url:1aprm4tv] that he debuted as a Met in, in 2000, that was also Mike (A-)Bordick's debut game in which he homered. Rick picked up the win in relief of Rick Reed that day. seawolf17 May 11 2009 06:47 PM ="metirish":2d0fy8i4]I liked Rick White.....was it Kiner or Healy that would always mess his name up? I remember Rick being big for us in 2000 , always seemed to be in trouble though.[/quote:2d0fy8i4] You mean "Rick Wheat"? G-Fafif May 11 2009 09:23 PM It was Fran: "Shea will be ricking for Rock White!" I have yet to miss Fran Healy. cooby May 12 2009 06:56 PM I will miss Fran Healy until my bones are dust in the wind.... Who is that now? Rockin' Doc May 12 2009 07:11 PM Robotic Danny Heep! cooby May 12 2009 07:12 PM Izzit? I remember him... Edgy DC May 13 2009 07:34 AM Looking at Heep here, I realize I have a mostly irrational hatred of shaving down the knob at the end of the bat and wrapping one's lower hands around the shaven knob. (grumpy old man)Your hands belong above the knob.(/grumpy) (I'm also not particular to when guys have dimples hollowed out at the end of their bats. (I think Wally Backman was the first guy I noticed with such a bat, but it probably pre-dates him by at least a decade..) Benjamin Grimm May 13 2009 08:12 AM "wrapping one's hands around the shaven knob" That definitely calls for a response from Fman. metsmarathon May 13 2009 08:23 AM i would've expected the knob never to need shaving... MFS62 May 15 2009 07:51 AM I'm seeing the dreaded red x in the box instead of a picture on this morning's banner. EDIT: Never mind, the picture just found its way in there. Later metirish May 19 2009 05:31 PM Castillo looks a bit like Ortiz , yes/no? Edgy DC May 21 2009 04:20 PM Mike Cubbage and his magic leviation glasses. Swan Swan H May 21 2009 05:09 PM See the ball, hit the ball. Met Hunter May 22 2009 06:11 AM Last summer my daughter had a soccer tourney in Va Beach. The last day there, a bunch of us happened upon a Tides game in Norfolk. I noticed Cubbage sitting behind us in a Rays hat and a clipboard. He's a scout. He was so noticeable to me. Between innings we said hello and he was nice as can be. cooby Jun 04 2009 08:16 PM Is that "Sweetness" Luis Lopez? Kong76 Jun 04 2009 08:26 PM Click on the the 'this guy' link and find out each and every time the picture changes! cooby Jun 04 2009 08:28 PM Cool! I thought it still was about the Ramones Kong76 Jun 04 2009 08:34 PM She continues the friend or foe game. Benjamin Grimm Jun 05 2009 06:48 AM ="Kong76":29zavirn]Click on the the 'this guy' link and find out each and every time the picture changes![/quote:29zavirn] I love the addition of the "this guy" link. It's very helpful, since I recognize very few of the players that appeared in 1990 or after. Frayed Knot Jun 05 2009 08:13 PM It's Luis Lopez, but is it 'Super Luis Lopez Ultra'? cooby Jun 06 2009 10:30 AM ="Kong76":15bfr057]She continues the friend or foe game.[/quote:15bfr057] Now Kasey, don't take that the wrong way. It's kind of like the front door to your house. You don't notice all the squished bugs and spider webs and hand prints and stuff on it until after somebody has stopped by and suddenly you realize that you don't even really look at your front door anymore. I know you won't know what I'm talking about. Edgy DC Jun 06 2009 02:23 PM ="Frayed Knot":1q2hkxgb]It's Luis Lopez, but is it 'Super Luis Lopez Ultra'?[/quote:1q2hkxgb] I prefer Luis "Left Eye" Lopez. metirish Jun 06 2009 02:49 PM ="Benjamin Grimm":33ihq0he] ="Kong76":33ihq0he]Click on the the 'this guy' link and find out each and every time the picture changes![/quote:33ihq0he] I love the addition of the "this guy" link. It's very helpful, since I recognize very few of the players that appeared in 1990 or after.[/quote:33ihq0he] Me too , never noticed it before. Kong76 Jun 06 2009 03:35 PM coo: I know you won't know what I'm talking about <<< I don't even know what I'm talking about some days. Hopefully if there are more people who didn't realize that was a link, they will read this thread and utilize it. cooby Jun 07 2009 11:12 AM What i kinda meant was you can look at your own front door over and over again and not really see it cooby Jun 14 2009 09:23 AM at last! Kong76 Jun 27 2009 07:02 AM I guess the joke's on me! I posted an invitation on the "this guy" up top (to see if anyone really clicks there) and see if I got any bites. I get one PM from the coobster that his name is Julio and eats iguannas which is where I my brain was going with it but I didn't remember he spent time in the clink for murder?? ---------- Wikipedia: Julio Machado, born Julio Segundo Machado Rond�n (December 1, 1965 in Zulia State, Venezuela) is a former Major League Baseball right-handed relief pitcher who played for the New York Mets (1989-90) and Milwaukee Brewers (1990-91). Machado started his career with the Mets. In the 1990 season, he went to the Brewers in a four-player deal, along with pitcher Kevin Brown, in exchange for catcher Charlie O'Brien and a minor league player. Machado had a decent fastball, good control and willingness to challenge hitters. He also pitched a better-than-average curveball and a slider. Machado was certainly good enough to pitch for a few more years. However, he is a footnote in the ledger of baseball history. Spending the 1991 off-season in his homeland, Machado was arrested for murder being accused of shooting a woman following an auto accident. He was convicted and, following appeals, he was sentenced to 12 years in 1996. In a three-year career, Machado posted a 7-5 record with 151 strikeouts and a 3.12 ERA in 147 innings. Machado went on to play in the Venezuelan winter league and currently coaches in that league. Machado was nicknamed "Iguanaman" for his fondness of eating the meat of iguanas. ---------- Next time our paths cross, coobs ... I owe you a beer! Edgy DC Jun 27 2009 01:08 PM I conflate Julio Machado and Jose Bautista. Benjamin Grimm Jun 27 2009 01:10 PM My newest conflation is Elmer Dessens and Casey Fossum. seawolf17 Jun 27 2009 05:39 PM I loved Julio Machado. Unquestionably in the bullpen of my All-Time Mets 25-Man Roster. Frayed Knot Jul 15 2009 05:32 PM That's either Roy McMillan or Harry Truman

[stevejrogers]

Speaking of which, Butch Huskey in the Top 100?

But hey, I guess that is what you get when you create a system that rewards the here and now over the whole picture of a Metly career.

[Guest Kong76]

A lot of work went into the rankings, and it's not perfect ... I threw out Harry
because looking at who I need to get pics of and when I see him at 130 I
scratched my head.

I don't really understand the what you mean by rewarding the here and now
over the whole picture or whatever. But whatever.

[stevejrogers]

="Kong76":3gb03sli]A lot of work went into the rankings, and it's not perfect ... I threw out Harry because looking at who I need to get pics of and when I see him at 130 I scratched my head. I don't really understand the what you mean by rewarding the here and now over the whole picture or whatever. But whatever.[/quote:3gb03sli] I know Kase. What I was going was that the position for a given year hold for that player, they can not move down on their own merit, they can only go up on their merit. To use, eh, Doc Gooden as an example. He built enough of a lead off of his first few seasons that despite his fall off starting roughly in 1987 that he would never falter from his lofty place in Met-dom. Oh sure he eventually put up numbers that make his place on our rankings warranted, but if a Met historian was going through the totality of Met history, Doc could concievably rank third, fourth or even fifth among all time Met hurlers (eh, only Koosman off hand do I see even being considered to be placed higher but you never know with some Sabermetricians or anyone really).

Frayed Knot Jan 27 2009 09:09 PM

="SteveJRogers"]I guess that is what you get when you create a system that rewards the here and now over the whole picture of a Metly career. Actually the system specifically takes into account the "whole picture of a Metly career" so I don't know WTF you're talking about. And, no, I don't want an explanation because I don't think you do either so a follow up will probably just make us both more confused.

Rockin' Doc Jan 27 2009 09:24 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jan 28 2009 11:19 AM

Sometimes when I read Steve's posts, I think he's typing in tongues.

Edgy DC Jan 28 2009 07:03 AM

="SteveJRogers":3k37b4p7]Oh sure he eventually put up numbers that make his place on our rankings warranted, but if a Met historian was going through the totality of Met history, Doc could concievably rank third, fourth or even fifth among all time Met hurlers (eh, only Koosman off hand do I see even being considered to be placed higher but you never know with some Sabermetricians or anyone really).[/quote:3k37b4p7] That's true. You never know with anyone. ? Benjamin Grimm Jan 28 2009 02:04 PM What's funny to me is that when the banner has a photo of someone who played for the Mets 30 to 35 years ago, I recognize him every time. But when it's someone from the last ten to fifteen years, I often don't know for sure who it is. cooby Jan 28 2009 06:25 PM god, I'm glad somebody else said that first. Edgy DC Jan 28 2009 06:29 PM ="cooby":nushvdsi]god, I'm glad somebody else said that first.[/quote:nushvdsi] I'm glad somebody else said that second. Of course, you and I don't have a database of these mugs. SteveJRogers Jan 28 2009 07:19 PM ="Edgy DC":3lhjvaqr] ="SteveJRogers":3lhjvaqr]Oh sure he eventually put up numbers that make his place on our rankings warranted, but if a Met historian was going through the totality of Met history, Doc could concievably rank third, fourth or even fifth among all time Met hurlers (eh, only Koosman off hand do I see even being considered to be placed higher but you never know with some Sabermetricians or anyone really).[/quote:3lhjvaqr] That's true. You never know with anyone. ?[/quote:3lhjvaqr] I should really cut out the incoherent part of my ramblings huh? You never know what someone is going to do when justifying reasons for putting Dwight Gooden lower than 2nd on a list of all-time Metly hurlers. Maybe Matlack's and Darling's postseason successes could make someone chose them over Gooden. I wouldn't, but I can see that case being made. Kong76 Jan 28 2009 07:43 PM SJI: I should really cut out the incoherent part of my ramblings huh? <<< I utter this to myself often, but I ramble on. Don't change, Steve ... the only person you can be is you. SteveJRogers Jan 31 2009 06:32 PM Kase, why am I looking at Sidd Fynch? It is not April 1st yet. Well, just asking in case there is a reason beyond "random generator." Kong76 Jan 31 2009 07:08 PM Super Bowl Sunday silliness. metsguyinmichigan Feb 01 2009 08:40 PM Brilliant! metirish Feb 02 2009 06:47 AM One of the best stories ever told.....love it. Frayed Knot Feb 02 2009 07:37 AM We could definitely use Finch in our rotation this year but he's recently hired Boras as his agent and now there are rumors of a secret monastery in the bidding for his services. Kong76 Feb 02 2009 03:49 PM Going over my lists, I think I messed up a few things ... First, I think I did Eddie Murray twice. This is Dick Selma, right? Frisella and Heilman remain from the top 100 as undone. I did Charlie Neal twice too? I better not quit my day job. Edgy DC Feb 03 2009 07:20 AM Neal's intensity is worth a double dose, though. He looks part Comanche. batmagadanleadoff Feb 03 2009 05:23 PM Neal's batting helmet is flocked. Kong76 Feb 03 2009 06:10 PM It is kind of an odd picture. It's cropped from a photo in Tales from the 1962 New York Mets, by Janet Paskin, and the photo credit is Getty Images. Edgy DC Feb 04 2009 07:01 AM Getty was born in the nineties. Funny to see them distributing pictures of the early Mets, but I guess they've been buying up old libraries. They're a great business model for the nu economy, by the way. themetfairy Feb 27 2009 06:38 PM themetfairy Mar 02 2009 04:22 PM David Weathers? Kong76 Mar 03 2009 12:35 PM Formality of doing all top 200 ... I got rid of him quick :-) Benjamin Grimm Mar 03 2009 12:38 PM Didn't we once calculate that it will take something like 60,000 years for Tom Seaver to fall out of the top 500? I wonder how long it would take for David Weathers to fall out of the top 200? themetfairy Mar 03 2009 06:44 PM ="Kong76":2bnhmr7e]Formality of doing all top 200 ... I got rid of him quick :-)[/quote:2bnhmr7e] It wasn't a complaint. Weathers was actually nice to the kids before a game in Kansas City (shortly before he was traded). I was just trying to identify the photo. Kong76 Mar 04 2009 04:45 AM I didn't think you were complaining. seawolf17 Mar 25 2009 03:09 PM Is that my homeboy, Pistol Pete Harnisch? Kong76 Mar 25 2009 03:43 PM Yup �, from a 1995 program ... soupcan Mar 27 2009 07:36 AM Crazy Pete! SteveJRogers Mar 28 2009 09:34 AM Nicely done! Benjamin Grimm Apr 03 2009 02:06 PM Ray Knight looks like he's squeezing out a fart. metirish Apr 03 2009 02:29 PM Looks a bit like Kevin Appier when I first took notice , Appier featured that stance quite a bit too IIRC. TransMonk Apr 07 2009 03:49 PM Never bitched before, but the banner reads: Everybody in the pool! Joining us for off-season hot stove discussion is easy. Shoot us an email introducing yourself and letting us know what user name you'd like to use. An admin will activate your user name asap, and send you sign-on instructions. Thanks for visiting! Time to update for 2009! Kong76 Apr 07 2009 04:00 PM Thanks for the nudge, I was dosing again. TransMonk Apr 08 2009 09:26 AM As always, the admins do a great job with this site. MFS62 Apr 08 2009 10:07 AM ="TransMonk":34eve5h6]As always, the admins do a great job with this site.[/quote:34eve5h6] Except when they ignore my fervent plea for help. Later Kong76 Apr 08 2009 05:17 PM Trying to make my numbers add up. This was Jeff Reardon, right? ... Kong76 Apr 08 2009 05:28 PM 142 doesn't show up with my chicken scratch list either. Dick Selma? I'm just being lazy, I'll figure it out if no one chimes in. SteveJRogers Apr 12 2009 07:00 PM Whats with the Announcer Troika? Not that I'm complaining of course. Edgy DC Apr 12 2009 07:26 PM Seems self-explanatory. Met Hunter Apr 12 2009 11:34 PM ="Kong76"]Trying to make my numbers add up. This was Jeff Reardon, right? ... This one looks like Neil Allen. Met Hunter Apr 12 2009 11:34 PM ="Kong76"]142 doesn't show up with my chicken scratch list either. Dick Selma? I'm just being lazy, I'll figure it out if no one chimes in. This is Larry Bearnarth. Kong76 Apr 15 2009 06:33 PM Thanks, MH ... I've been busy and haven't been able to look at this much. SteveJRogers Apr 20 2009 06:26 PM So the player's name is going to be linked in the banner going forward, or is this just a random "hey it's Cliff, why not" sort of thing? Kong76 Apr 20 2009 07:19 PM Started with D.J. Dozier over the weekend, no one noticed. Top 200 Mets thing died with ~ 15 left ... the CPF contract with the Ramones has expired too ... everyone hates the new stadium ... David Wright can only hit when no one is on base ... if it weren't for Johan I'd just pull the plug. Random Mets from here on in until further notice. Rockin' Doc Apr 20 2009 07:39 PM Bang! Pow! Cliff Floyd is one of my all-time favorite Mets. Nice to see him making an appearance around the 'pool once again. Edgy DC Apr 20 2009 08:19 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 20 2009 10:35 PM The Crane Pool Forum has appreciated their relationship over the years with the Ramones, but after recent meetings with Marky, Tommy, and CJ, all agreed that it was best for both parties to go in seperate directions. We wish the Ramones well and hope for opportunities to work together in the future. In the meantime, the Crane Pool Forum is very excited about the new era of linking our introduction statement to our banner, to help people understand who exactly we're looking at. In an age of names which honor corporate relationships trumping names that are meaningful to the fan's and the city's relationship with the team, we feel confident in making a countercultural choice, and hope the fans will be excited to see us zag as other fora continue to zig. Frayed Knot Apr 20 2009 09:14 PM ]Started with D.J. Dozier over the weekend, no one noticed. I did. Elster88 Apr 20 2009 11:43 PM I noticed. I like it. Met Hunter Apr 21 2009 10:00 AM I like to try guessing. I recognized DJ before I saw the name. Now I will just guess without looking to the right. Edgy DC Apr 21 2009 11:34 AM That looks like the photo that produced the BANG! POW! image, but that one had him in the orange jersey. G-Fafif Apr 21 2009 12:04 PM Love the Player ID program. Great touch. The Ramones can go their own way. Or is that Fleetwood Mac? Fman99 Apr 21 2009 12:16 PM ="Elster88":wx56um7b]I noticed. I like it.[/quote:wx56um7b] Ditto. I didn't notice it with Dozier but I did today with Floyd. Even better for us younger sorts, who don't instantly recognize the 1960s-1970s era Mets just by head shots. SteveJRogers Apr 22 2009 06:09 PM Give it up for David Wright's agent! Met Hunter Apr 22 2009 06:59 PM Man, I can still remember when Keith was that thin. Elster88 Apr 28 2009 10:04 PM Looks like the banner has "click here" instead of the player's name. Is that intentional? Kong76 Apr 29 2009 04:24 PM I never know if Elster is serious. But, if you click on "click here" it will bring you to the UMDB page of the player pictured. I figured when I was putting the name some people were disappointed because they liked to guess so click here fixes that. Farmer Ted May 04 2009 03:04 PM I like it. I like it a lot. metsmarathon May 04 2009 03:22 PM ]Intelligent, lively, and provocative discussion of the Mets, Ed Kranepool, and, when we're gettin' on a roll, this guy! Kong76 May 04 2009 04:43 PM Thanks, that flows better. batmagadanleadoff May 05 2009 04:22 PM Thurman Munson? Rockin' Doc May 05 2009 06:05 PM Damn, I never knew Gorman Thomas played for the Mets. G-Fafif May 09 2009 07:05 AM Bill Denehy's all right, but I really love that view beyond the 358 sign. metirish May 11 2009 01:16 PM I liked Rick White.....was it Kiner or Healy that would always mess his name up? I remember Rick being big for us in 2000 , always seemed to be in trouble though. Fman99 May 11 2009 02:17 PM ="metirish":1aprm4tv]I liked Rick White.....was it Kiner or Healy that would always mess his name up? I remember Rick being big for us in 2000 , always seemed to be in trouble though.[/quote:1aprm4tv] I attended the game[/url:1aprm4tv] that he debuted as a Met in, in 2000, that was also Mike (A-)Bordick's debut game in which he homered. Rick picked up the win in relief of Rick Reed that day. seawolf17 May 11 2009 06:47 PM ="metirish":2d0fy8i4]I liked Rick White.....was it Kiner or Healy that would always mess his name up? I remember Rick being big for us in 2000 , always seemed to be in trouble though.[/quote:2d0fy8i4] You mean "Rick Wheat"? G-Fafif May 11 2009 09:23 PM It was Fran: "Shea will be ricking for Rock White!" I have yet to miss Fran Healy. cooby May 12 2009 06:56 PM I will miss Fran Healy until my bones are dust in the wind.... Who is that now? Rockin' Doc May 12 2009 07:11 PM Robotic Danny Heep! cooby May 12 2009 07:12 PM Izzit? I remember him... Edgy DC May 13 2009 07:34 AM Looking at Heep here, I realize I have a mostly irrational hatred of shaving down the knob at the end of the bat and wrapping one's lower hands around the shaven knob. (grumpy old man)Your hands belong above the knob.(/grumpy) (I'm also not particular to when guys have dimples hollowed out at the end of their bats. (I think Wally Backman was the first guy I noticed with such a bat, but it probably pre-dates him by at least a decade..) Benjamin Grimm May 13 2009 08:12 AM "wrapping one's hands around the shaven knob" That definitely calls for a response from Fman. metsmarathon May 13 2009 08:23 AM i would've expected the knob never to need shaving... MFS62 May 15 2009 07:51 AM I'm seeing the dreaded red x in the box instead of a picture on this morning's banner. EDIT: Never mind, the picture just found its way in there. Later metirish May 19 2009 05:31 PM Castillo looks a bit like Ortiz , yes/no? Edgy DC May 21 2009 04:20 PM Mike Cubbage and his magic leviation glasses. Swan Swan H May 21 2009 05:09 PM See the ball, hit the ball. Met Hunter May 22 2009 06:11 AM Last summer my daughter had a soccer tourney in Va Beach. The last day there, a bunch of us happened upon a Tides game in Norfolk. I noticed Cubbage sitting behind us in a Rays hat and a clipboard. He's a scout. He was so noticeable to me. Between innings we said hello and he was nice as can be. cooby Jun 04 2009 08:16 PM Is that "Sweetness" Luis Lopez? Kong76 Jun 04 2009 08:26 PM Click on the the 'this guy' link and find out each and every time the picture changes! cooby Jun 04 2009 08:28 PM Cool! I thought it still was about the Ramones Kong76 Jun 04 2009 08:34 PM She continues the friend or foe game. Benjamin Grimm Jun 05 2009 06:48 AM ="Kong76":29zavirn]Click on the the 'this guy' link and find out each and every time the picture changes![/quote:29zavirn] I love the addition of the "this guy" link. It's very helpful, since I recognize very few of the players that appeared in 1990 or after. Frayed Knot Jun 05 2009 08:13 PM It's Luis Lopez, but is it 'Super Luis Lopez Ultra'? cooby Jun 06 2009 10:30 AM ="Kong76":15bfr057]She continues the friend or foe game.[/quote:15bfr057] Now Kasey, don't take that the wrong way. It's kind of like the front door to your house. You don't notice all the squished bugs and spider webs and hand prints and stuff on it until after somebody has stopped by and suddenly you realize that you don't even really look at your front door anymore. I know you won't know what I'm talking about. Edgy DC Jun 06 2009 02:23 PM ="Frayed Knot":1q2hkxgb]It's Luis Lopez, but is it 'Super Luis Lopez Ultra'?[/quote:1q2hkxgb] I prefer Luis "Left Eye" Lopez. metirish Jun 06 2009 02:49 PM ="Benjamin Grimm":33ihq0he] ="Kong76":33ihq0he]Click on the the 'this guy' link and find out each and every time the picture changes![/quote:33ihq0he] I love the addition of the "this guy" link. It's very helpful, since I recognize very few of the players that appeared in 1990 or after.[/quote:33ihq0he] Me too , never noticed it before. Kong76 Jun 06 2009 03:35 PM coo: I know you won't know what I'm talking about <<< I don't even know what I'm talking about some days. Hopefully if there are more people who didn't realize that was a link, they will read this thread and utilize it. cooby Jun 07 2009 11:12 AM What i kinda meant was you can look at your own front door over and over again and not really see it cooby Jun 14 2009 09:23 AM at last! Kong76 Jun 27 2009 07:02 AM I guess the joke's on me! I posted an invitation on the "this guy" up top (to see if anyone really clicks there) and see if I got any bites. I get one PM from the coobster that his name is Julio and eats iguannas which is where I my brain was going with it but I didn't remember he spent time in the clink for murder?? ---------- Wikipedia: Julio Machado, born Julio Segundo Machado Rond�n (December 1, 1965 in Zulia State, Venezuela) is a former Major League Baseball right-handed relief pitcher who played for the New York Mets (1989-90) and Milwaukee Brewers (1990-91). Machado started his career with the Mets. In the 1990 season, he went to the Brewers in a four-player deal, along with pitcher Kevin Brown, in exchange for catcher Charlie O'Brien and a minor league player. Machado had a decent fastball, good control and willingness to challenge hitters. He also pitched a better-than-average curveball and a slider. Machado was certainly good enough to pitch for a few more years. However, he is a footnote in the ledger of baseball history. Spending the 1991 off-season in his homeland, Machado was arrested for murder being accused of shooting a woman following an auto accident. He was convicted and, following appeals, he was sentenced to 12 years in 1996. In a three-year career, Machado posted a 7-5 record with 151 strikeouts and a 3.12 ERA in 147 innings. Machado went on to play in the Venezuelan winter league and currently coaches in that league. Machado was nicknamed "Iguanaman" for his fondness of eating the meat of iguanas. ---------- Next time our paths cross, coobs ... I owe you a beer! Edgy DC Jun 27 2009 01:08 PM I conflate Julio Machado and Jose Bautista. Benjamin Grimm Jun 27 2009 01:10 PM My newest conflation is Elmer Dessens and Casey Fossum. seawolf17 Jun 27 2009 05:39 PM I loved Julio Machado. Unquestionably in the bullpen of my All-Time Mets 25-Man Roster. Frayed Knot Jul 15 2009 05:32 PM That's either Roy McMillan or Harry Truman

[Frayed Knot]

="SteveJRogers"]I guess that is what you get when you create a system that rewards the here and now over the whole picture of a Metly career.

Actually the system specifically takes into account the "whole picture of a Metly career" so I don't know WTF you're talking about.

And, no, I don't want an explanation because I don't think you do either so a follow up will probably just make us both more confused.

[Guest Rockin' Doc]

Sometimes when I read Steve's posts, I think he's typing in tongues.

[Guest Edgy DC]

="SteveJRogers":3k37b4p7]Oh sure he eventually put up numbers that make his place on our rankings warranted, but if a Met historian was going through the totality of Met history, Doc could concievably rank third, fourth or even fifth among all time Met hurlers (eh, only Koosman off hand do I see even being considered to be placed higher but you never know with some Sabermetricians or anyone really).[/quote:3k37b4p7] That's true. You never know with anyone. ?

Benjamin Grimm Jan 28 2009 02:04 PM

What's funny to me is that when the banner has a photo of someone who played for the Mets 30 to 35 years ago, I recognize him every time. But when it's someone from the last ten to fifteen years, I often don't know for sure who it is.

cooby Jan 28 2009 06:25 PM

god, I'm glad somebody else said that first.

Edgy DC Jan 28 2009 06:29 PM

="cooby":nushvdsi]god, I'm glad somebody else said that first.[/quote:nushvdsi] I'm glad somebody else said that second. Of course, you and I don't have a database of these mugs. SteveJRogers Jan 28 2009 07:19 PM ="Edgy DC":3lhjvaqr] ="SteveJRogers":3lhjvaqr]Oh sure he eventually put up numbers that make his place on our rankings warranted, but if a Met historian was going through the totality of Met history, Doc could concievably rank third, fourth or even fifth among all time Met hurlers (eh, only Koosman off hand do I see even being considered to be placed higher but you never know with some Sabermetricians or anyone really).[/quote:3lhjvaqr] That's true. You never know with anyone. ?[/quote:3lhjvaqr] I should really cut out the incoherent part of my ramblings huh? You never know what someone is going to do when justifying reasons for putting Dwight Gooden lower than 2nd on a list of all-time Metly hurlers. Maybe Matlack's and Darling's postseason successes could make someone chose them over Gooden. I wouldn't, but I can see that case being made. Kong76 Jan 28 2009 07:43 PM SJI: I should really cut out the incoherent part of my ramblings huh? <<< I utter this to myself often, but I ramble on. Don't change, Steve ... the only person you can be is you. SteveJRogers Jan 31 2009 06:32 PM Kase, why am I looking at Sidd Fynch? It is not April 1st yet. Well, just asking in case there is a reason beyond "random generator." Kong76 Jan 31 2009 07:08 PM Super Bowl Sunday silliness. metsguyinmichigan Feb 01 2009 08:40 PM Brilliant! metirish Feb 02 2009 06:47 AM One of the best stories ever told.....love it. Frayed Knot Feb 02 2009 07:37 AM We could definitely use Finch in our rotation this year but he's recently hired Boras as his agent and now there are rumors of a secret monastery in the bidding for his services. Kong76 Feb 02 2009 03:49 PM Going over my lists, I think I messed up a few things ... First, I think I did Eddie Murray twice. This is Dick Selma, right? Frisella and Heilman remain from the top 100 as undone. I did Charlie Neal twice too? I better not quit my day job. Edgy DC Feb 03 2009 07:20 AM Neal's intensity is worth a double dose, though. He looks part Comanche. batmagadanleadoff Feb 03 2009 05:23 PM Neal's batting helmet is flocked. Kong76 Feb 03 2009 06:10 PM It is kind of an odd picture. It's cropped from a photo in Tales from the 1962 New York Mets, by Janet Paskin, and the photo credit is Getty Images. Edgy DC Feb 04 2009 07:01 AM Getty was born in the nineties. Funny to see them distributing pictures of the early Mets, but I guess they've been buying up old libraries. They're a great business model for the nu economy, by the way. themetfairy Feb 27 2009 06:38 PM themetfairy Mar 02 2009 04:22 PM David Weathers? Kong76 Mar 03 2009 12:35 PM Formality of doing all top 200 ... I got rid of him quick :-) Benjamin Grimm Mar 03 2009 12:38 PM Didn't we once calculate that it will take something like 60,000 years for Tom Seaver to fall out of the top 500? I wonder how long it would take for David Weathers to fall out of the top 200? themetfairy Mar 03 2009 06:44 PM ="Kong76":2bnhmr7e]Formality of doing all top 200 ... I got rid of him quick :-)[/quote:2bnhmr7e] It wasn't a complaint. Weathers was actually nice to the kids before a game in Kansas City (shortly before he was traded). I was just trying to identify the photo. Kong76 Mar 04 2009 04:45 AM I didn't think you were complaining. seawolf17 Mar 25 2009 03:09 PM Is that my homeboy, Pistol Pete Harnisch? Kong76 Mar 25 2009 03:43 PM Yup �, from a 1995 program ... soupcan Mar 27 2009 07:36 AM Crazy Pete! SteveJRogers Mar 28 2009 09:34 AM Nicely done! Benjamin Grimm Apr 03 2009 02:06 PM Ray Knight looks like he's squeezing out a fart. metirish Apr 03 2009 02:29 PM Looks a bit like Kevin Appier when I first took notice , Appier featured that stance quite a bit too IIRC. TransMonk Apr 07 2009 03:49 PM Never bitched before, but the banner reads: Everybody in the pool! Joining us for off-season hot stove discussion is easy. Shoot us an email introducing yourself and letting us know what user name you'd like to use. An admin will activate your user name asap, and send you sign-on instructions. Thanks for visiting! Time to update for 2009! Kong76 Apr 07 2009 04:00 PM Thanks for the nudge, I was dosing again. TransMonk Apr 08 2009 09:26 AM As always, the admins do a great job with this site. MFS62 Apr 08 2009 10:07 AM ="TransMonk":34eve5h6]As always, the admins do a great job with this site.[/quote:34eve5h6] Except when they ignore my fervent plea for help. Later Kong76 Apr 08 2009 05:17 PM Trying to make my numbers add up. This was Jeff Reardon, right? ... Kong76 Apr 08 2009 05:28 PM 142 doesn't show up with my chicken scratch list either. Dick Selma? I'm just being lazy, I'll figure it out if no one chimes in. SteveJRogers Apr 12 2009 07:00 PM Whats with the Announcer Troika? Not that I'm complaining of course. Edgy DC Apr 12 2009 07:26 PM Seems self-explanatory. Met Hunter Apr 12 2009 11:34 PM ="Kong76"]Trying to make my numbers add up. This was Jeff Reardon, right? ... This one looks like Neil Allen. Met Hunter Apr 12 2009 11:34 PM ="Kong76"]142 doesn't show up with my chicken scratch list either. Dick Selma? I'm just being lazy, I'll figure it out if no one chimes in. This is Larry Bearnarth. Kong76 Apr 15 2009 06:33 PM Thanks, MH ... I've been busy and haven't been able to look at this much. SteveJRogers Apr 20 2009 06:26 PM So the player's name is going to be linked in the banner going forward, or is this just a random "hey it's Cliff, why not" sort of thing? Kong76 Apr 20 2009 07:19 PM Started with D.J. Dozier over the weekend, no one noticed. Top 200 Mets thing died with ~ 15 left ... the CPF contract with the Ramones has expired too ... everyone hates the new stadium ... David Wright can only hit when no one is on base ... if it weren't for Johan I'd just pull the plug. Random Mets from here on in until further notice. Rockin' Doc Apr 20 2009 07:39 PM Bang! Pow! Cliff Floyd is one of my all-time favorite Mets. Nice to see him making an appearance around the 'pool once again. Edgy DC Apr 20 2009 08:19 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 20 2009 10:35 PM The Crane Pool Forum has appreciated their relationship over the years with the Ramones, but after recent meetings with Marky, Tommy, and CJ, all agreed that it was best for both parties to go in seperate directions. We wish the Ramones well and hope for opportunities to work together in the future. In the meantime, the Crane Pool Forum is very excited about the new era of linking our introduction statement to our banner, to help people understand who exactly we're looking at. In an age of names which honor corporate relationships trumping names that are meaningful to the fan's and the city's relationship with the team, we feel confident in making a countercultural choice, and hope the fans will be excited to see us zag as other fora continue to zig. Frayed Knot Apr 20 2009 09:14 PM ]Started with D.J. Dozier over the weekend, no one noticed. I did. Elster88 Apr 20 2009 11:43 PM I noticed. I like it. Met Hunter Apr 21 2009 10:00 AM I like to try guessing. I recognized DJ before I saw the name. Now I will just guess without looking to the right. Edgy DC Apr 21 2009 11:34 AM That looks like the photo that produced the BANG! POW! image, but that one had him in the orange jersey. G-Fafif Apr 21 2009 12:04 PM Love the Player ID program. Great touch. The Ramones can go their own way. Or is that Fleetwood Mac? Fman99 Apr 21 2009 12:16 PM ="Elster88":wx56um7b]I noticed. I like it.[/quote:wx56um7b] Ditto. I didn't notice it with Dozier but I did today with Floyd. Even better for us younger sorts, who don't instantly recognize the 1960s-1970s era Mets just by head shots. SteveJRogers Apr 22 2009 06:09 PM Give it up for David Wright's agent! Met Hunter Apr 22 2009 06:59 PM Man, I can still remember when Keith was that thin. Elster88 Apr 28 2009 10:04 PM Looks like the banner has "click here" instead of the player's name. Is that intentional? Kong76 Apr 29 2009 04:24 PM I never know if Elster is serious. But, if you click on "click here" it will bring you to the UMDB page of the player pictured. I figured when I was putting the name some people were disappointed because they liked to guess so click here fixes that. Farmer Ted May 04 2009 03:04 PM I like it. I like it a lot. metsmarathon May 04 2009 03:22 PM ]Intelligent, lively, and provocative discussion of the Mets, Ed Kranepool, and, when we're gettin' on a roll, this guy! Kong76 May 04 2009 04:43 PM Thanks, that flows better. batmagadanleadoff May 05 2009 04:22 PM Thurman Munson? Rockin' Doc May 05 2009 06:05 PM Damn, I never knew Gorman Thomas played for the Mets. G-Fafif May 09 2009 07:05 AM Bill Denehy's all right, but I really love that view beyond the 358 sign. metirish May 11 2009 01:16 PM I liked Rick White.....was it Kiner or Healy that would always mess his name up? I remember Rick being big for us in 2000 , always seemed to be in trouble though. Fman99 May 11 2009 02:17 PM ="metirish":1aprm4tv]I liked Rick White.....was it Kiner or Healy that would always mess his name up? I remember Rick being big for us in 2000 , always seemed to be in trouble though.[/quote:1aprm4tv] I attended the game[/url:1aprm4tv] that he debuted as a Met in, in 2000, that was also Mike (A-)Bordick's debut game in which he homered. Rick picked up the win in relief of Rick Reed that day. seawolf17 May 11 2009 06:47 PM ="metirish":2d0fy8i4]I liked Rick White.....was it Kiner or Healy that would always mess his name up? I remember Rick being big for us in 2000 , always seemed to be in trouble though.[/quote:2d0fy8i4] You mean "Rick Wheat"? G-Fafif May 11 2009 09:23 PM It was Fran: "Shea will be ricking for Rock White!" I have yet to miss Fran Healy. cooby May 12 2009 06:56 PM I will miss Fran Healy until my bones are dust in the wind.... Who is that now? Rockin' Doc May 12 2009 07:11 PM Robotic Danny Heep! cooby May 12 2009 07:12 PM Izzit? I remember him... Edgy DC May 13 2009 07:34 AM Looking at Heep here, I realize I have a mostly irrational hatred of shaving down the knob at the end of the bat and wrapping one's lower hands around the shaven knob. (grumpy old man)Your hands belong above the knob.(/grumpy) (I'm also not particular to when guys have dimples hollowed out at the end of their bats. (I think Wally Backman was the first guy I noticed with such a bat, but it probably pre-dates him by at least a decade..) Benjamin Grimm May 13 2009 08:12 AM "wrapping one's hands around the shaven knob" That definitely calls for a response from Fman. metsmarathon May 13 2009 08:23 AM i would've expected the knob never to need shaving... MFS62 May 15 2009 07:51 AM I'm seeing the dreaded red x in the box instead of a picture on this morning's banner. EDIT: Never mind, the picture just found its way in there. Later metirish May 19 2009 05:31 PM Castillo looks a bit like Ortiz , yes/no? Edgy DC May 21 2009 04:20 PM Mike Cubbage and his magic leviation glasses. Swan Swan H May 21 2009 05:09 PM See the ball, hit the ball. Met Hunter May 22 2009 06:11 AM Last summer my daughter had a soccer tourney in Va Beach. The last day there, a bunch of us happened upon a Tides game in Norfolk. I noticed Cubbage sitting behind us in a Rays hat and a clipboard. He's a scout. He was so noticeable to me. Between innings we said hello and he was nice as can be. cooby Jun 04 2009 08:16 PM Is that "Sweetness" Luis Lopez? Kong76 Jun 04 2009 08:26 PM Click on the the 'this guy' link and find out each and every time the picture changes! cooby Jun 04 2009 08:28 PM Cool! I thought it still was about the Ramones Kong76 Jun 04 2009 08:34 PM She continues the friend or foe game. Benjamin Grimm Jun 05 2009 06:48 AM ="Kong76":29zavirn]Click on the the 'this guy' link and find out each and every time the picture changes![/quote:29zavirn] I love the addition of the "this guy" link. It's very helpful, since I recognize very few of the players that appeared in 1990 or after. Frayed Knot Jun 05 2009 08:13 PM It's Luis Lopez, but is it 'Super Luis Lopez Ultra'? cooby Jun 06 2009 10:30 AM ="Kong76":15bfr057]She continues the friend or foe game.[/quote:15bfr057] Now Kasey, don't take that the wrong way. It's kind of like the front door to your house. You don't notice all the squished bugs and spider webs and hand prints and stuff on it until after somebody has stopped by and suddenly you realize that you don't even really look at your front door anymore. I know you won't know what I'm talking about. Edgy DC Jun 06 2009 02:23 PM ="Frayed Knot":1q2hkxgb]It's Luis Lopez, but is it 'Super Luis Lopez Ultra'?[/quote:1q2hkxgb] I prefer Luis "Left Eye" Lopez. metirish Jun 06 2009 02:49 PM ="Benjamin Grimm":33ihq0he] ="Kong76":33ihq0he]Click on the the 'this guy' link and find out each and every time the picture changes![/quote:33ihq0he] I love the addition of the "this guy" link. It's very helpful, since I recognize very few of the players that appeared in 1990 or after.[/quote:33ihq0he] Me too , never noticed it before. Kong76 Jun 06 2009 03:35 PM coo: I know you won't know what I'm talking about <<< I don't even know what I'm talking about some days. Hopefully if there are more people who didn't realize that was a link, they will read this thread and utilize it. cooby Jun 07 2009 11:12 AM What i kinda meant was you can look at your own front door over and over again and not really see it cooby Jun 14 2009 09:23 AM at last! Kong76 Jun 27 2009 07:02 AM I guess the joke's on me! I posted an invitation on the "this guy" up top (to see if anyone really clicks there) and see if I got any bites. I get one PM from the coobster that his name is Julio and eats iguannas which is where I my brain was going with it but I didn't remember he spent time in the clink for murder?? ---------- Wikipedia: Julio Machado, born Julio Segundo Machado Rond�n (December 1, 1965 in Zulia State, Venezuela) is a former Major League Baseball right-handed relief pitcher who played for the New York Mets (1989-90) and Milwaukee Brewers (1990-91). Machado started his career with the Mets. In the 1990 season, he went to the Brewers in a four-player deal, along with pitcher Kevin Brown, in exchange for catcher Charlie O'Brien and a minor league player. Machado had a decent fastball, good control and willingness to challenge hitters. He also pitched a better-than-average curveball and a slider. Machado was certainly good enough to pitch for a few more years. However, he is a footnote in the ledger of baseball history. Spending the 1991 off-season in his homeland, Machado was arrested for murder being accused of shooting a woman following an auto accident. He was convicted and, following appeals, he was sentenced to 12 years in 1996. In a three-year career, Machado posted a 7-5 record with 151 strikeouts and a 3.12 ERA in 147 innings. Machado went on to play in the Venezuelan winter league and currently coaches in that league. Machado was nicknamed "Iguanaman" for his fondness of eating the meat of iguanas. ---------- Next time our paths cross, coobs ... I owe you a beer! Edgy DC Jun 27 2009 01:08 PM I conflate Julio Machado and Jose Bautista. Benjamin Grimm Jun 27 2009 01:10 PM My newest conflation is Elmer Dessens and Casey Fossum. seawolf17 Jun 27 2009 05:39 PM I loved Julio Machado. Unquestionably in the bullpen of my All-Time Mets 25-Man Roster. Frayed Knot Jul 15 2009 05:32 PM That's either Roy McMillan or Harry Truman

[Benjamin Grimm]

What's funny to me is that when the banner has a photo of someone who played for the Mets 30 to 35 years ago, I recognize him every time.

But when it's someone from the last ten to fifteen years, I often don't know for sure who it is.

[Guest cooby]

god, I'm glad somebody else said that first.

[Guest Edgy DC]

="cooby":nushvdsi]god, I'm glad somebody else said that first.[/quote:nushvdsi] I'm glad somebody else said that second. Of course, you and I don't have a database of these mugs.

SteveJRogers Jan 28 2009 07:19 PM

="Edgy DC":3lhjvaqr] ="SteveJRogers":3lhjvaqr]Oh sure he eventually put up numbers that make his place on our rankings warranted, but if a Met historian was going through the totality of Met history, Doc could concievably rank third, fourth or even fifth among all time Met hurlers (eh, only Koosman off hand do I see even being considered to be placed higher but you never know with some Sabermetricians or anyone really).[/quote:3lhjvaqr] That's true. You never know with anyone. ?[/quote:3lhjvaqr] I should really cut out the incoherent part of my ramblings huh? You never know what someone is going to do when justifying reasons for putting Dwight Gooden lower than 2nd on a list of all-time Metly hurlers. Maybe Matlack's and Darling's postseason successes could make someone chose them over Gooden. I wouldn't, but I can see that case being made. Kong76 Jan 28 2009 07:43 PM SJI: I should really cut out the incoherent part of my ramblings huh? <<< I utter this to myself often, but I ramble on. Don't change, Steve ... the only person you can be is you. SteveJRogers Jan 31 2009 06:32 PM Kase, why am I looking at Sidd Fynch? It is not April 1st yet. Well, just asking in case there is a reason beyond "random generator." Kong76 Jan 31 2009 07:08 PM Super Bowl Sunday silliness. metsguyinmichigan Feb 01 2009 08:40 PM Brilliant! metirish Feb 02 2009 06:47 AM One of the best stories ever told.....love it. Frayed Knot Feb 02 2009 07:37 AM We could definitely use Finch in our rotation this year but he's recently hired Boras as his agent and now there are rumors of a secret monastery in the bidding for his services. Kong76 Feb 02 2009 03:49 PM Going over my lists, I think I messed up a few things ... First, I think I did Eddie Murray twice. This is Dick Selma, right? Frisella and Heilman remain from the top 100 as undone. I did Charlie Neal twice too? I better not quit my day job. Edgy DC Feb 03 2009 07:20 AM Neal's intensity is worth a double dose, though. He looks part Comanche. batmagadanleadoff Feb 03 2009 05:23 PM Neal's batting helmet is flocked. Kong76 Feb 03 2009 06:10 PM It is kind of an odd picture. It's cropped from a photo in Tales from the 1962 New York Mets, by Janet Paskin, and the photo credit is Getty Images. Edgy DC Feb 04 2009 07:01 AM Getty was born in the nineties. Funny to see them distributing pictures of the early Mets, but I guess they've been buying up old libraries. They're a great business model for the nu economy, by the way. themetfairy Feb 27 2009 06:38 PM themetfairy Mar 02 2009 04:22 PM David Weathers? Kong76 Mar 03 2009 12:35 PM Formality of doing all top 200 ... I got rid of him quick :-) Benjamin Grimm Mar 03 2009 12:38 PM Didn't we once calculate that it will take something like 60,000 years for Tom Seaver to fall out of the top 500? I wonder how long it would take for David Weathers to fall out of the top 200? themetfairy Mar 03 2009 06:44 PM ="Kong76":2bnhmr7e]Formality of doing all top 200 ... I got rid of him quick :-)[/quote:2bnhmr7e] It wasn't a complaint. Weathers was actually nice to the kids before a game in Kansas City (shortly before he was traded). I was just trying to identify the photo. Kong76 Mar 04 2009 04:45 AM I didn't think you were complaining. seawolf17 Mar 25 2009 03:09 PM Is that my homeboy, Pistol Pete Harnisch? Kong76 Mar 25 2009 03:43 PM Yup �, from a 1995 program ... soupcan Mar 27 2009 07:36 AM Crazy Pete! SteveJRogers Mar 28 2009 09:34 AM Nicely done! Benjamin Grimm Apr 03 2009 02:06 PM Ray Knight looks like he's squeezing out a fart. metirish Apr 03 2009 02:29 PM Looks a bit like Kevin Appier when I first took notice , Appier featured that stance quite a bit too IIRC. TransMonk Apr 07 2009 03:49 PM Never bitched before, but the banner reads: Everybody in the pool! Joining us for off-season hot stove discussion is easy. Shoot us an email introducing yourself and letting us know what user name you'd like to use. An admin will activate your user name asap, and send you sign-on instructions. Thanks for visiting! Time to update for 2009! Kong76 Apr 07 2009 04:00 PM Thanks for the nudge, I was dosing again. TransMonk Apr 08 2009 09:26 AM As always, the admins do a great job with this site. MFS62 Apr 08 2009 10:07 AM ="TransMonk":34eve5h6]As always, the admins do a great job with this site.[/quote:34eve5h6] Except when they ignore my fervent plea for help. Later Kong76 Apr 08 2009 05:17 PM Trying to make my numbers add up. This was Jeff Reardon, right? ... Kong76 Apr 08 2009 05:28 PM 142 doesn't show up with my chicken scratch list either. Dick Selma? I'm just being lazy, I'll figure it out if no one chimes in. SteveJRogers Apr 12 2009 07:00 PM Whats with the Announcer Troika? Not that I'm complaining of course. Edgy DC Apr 12 2009 07:26 PM Seems self-explanatory. Met Hunter Apr 12 2009 11:34 PM ="Kong76"]Trying to make my numbers add up. This was Jeff Reardon, right? ... This one looks like Neil Allen. Met Hunter Apr 12 2009 11:34 PM ="Kong76"]142 doesn't show up with my chicken scratch list either. Dick Selma? I'm just being lazy, I'll figure it out if no one chimes in. This is Larry Bearnarth. Kong76 Apr 15 2009 06:33 PM Thanks, MH ... I've been busy and haven't been able to look at this much. SteveJRogers Apr 20 2009 06:26 PM So the player's name is going to be linked in the banner going forward, or is this just a random "hey it's Cliff, why not" sort of thing? Kong76 Apr 20 2009 07:19 PM Started with D.J. Dozier over the weekend, no one noticed. Top 200 Mets thing died with ~ 15 left ... the CPF contract with the Ramones has expired too ... everyone hates the new stadium ... David Wright can only hit when no one is on base ... if it weren't for Johan I'd just pull the plug. Random Mets from here on in until further notice. Rockin' Doc Apr 20 2009 07:39 PM Bang! Pow! Cliff Floyd is one of my all-time favorite Mets. Nice to see him making an appearance around the 'pool once again. Edgy DC Apr 20 2009 08:19 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 20 2009 10:35 PM The Crane Pool Forum has appreciated their relationship over the years with the Ramones, but after recent meetings with Marky, Tommy, and CJ, all agreed that it was best for both parties to go in seperate directions. We wish the Ramones well and hope for opportunities to work together in the future. In the meantime, the Crane Pool Forum is very excited about the new era of linking our introduction statement to our banner, to help people understand who exactly we're looking at. In an age of names which honor corporate relationships trumping names that are meaningful to the fan's and the city's relationship with the team, we feel confident in making a countercultural choice, and hope the fans will be excited to see us zag as other fora continue to zig. Frayed Knot Apr 20 2009 09:14 PM ]Started with D.J. Dozier over the weekend, no one noticed. I did. Elster88 Apr 20 2009 11:43 PM I noticed. I like it. Met Hunter Apr 21 2009 10:00 AM I like to try guessing. I recognized DJ before I saw the name. Now I will just guess without looking to the right. Edgy DC Apr 21 2009 11:34 AM That looks like the photo that produced the BANG! POW! image, but that one had him in the orange jersey. G-Fafif Apr 21 2009 12:04 PM Love the Player ID program. Great touch. The Ramones can go their own way. Or is that Fleetwood Mac? Fman99 Apr 21 2009 12:16 PM ="Elster88":wx56um7b]I noticed. I like it.[/quote:wx56um7b] Ditto. I didn't notice it with Dozier but I did today with Floyd. Even better for us younger sorts, who don't instantly recognize the 1960s-1970s era Mets just by head shots. SteveJRogers Apr 22 2009 06:09 PM Give it up for David Wright's agent! Met Hunter Apr 22 2009 06:59 PM Man, I can still remember when Keith was that thin. Elster88 Apr 28 2009 10:04 PM Looks like the banner has "click here" instead of the player's name. Is that intentional? Kong76 Apr 29 2009 04:24 PM I never know if Elster is serious. But, if you click on "click here" it will bring you to the UMDB page of the player pictured. I figured when I was putting the name some people were disappointed because they liked to guess so click here fixes that. Farmer Ted May 04 2009 03:04 PM I like it. I like it a lot. metsmarathon May 04 2009 03:22 PM ]Intelligent, lively, and provocative discussion of the Mets, Ed Kranepool, and, when we're gettin' on a roll, this guy! Kong76 May 04 2009 04:43 PM Thanks, that flows better. batmagadanleadoff May 05 2009 04:22 PM Thurman Munson? Rockin' Doc May 05 2009 06:05 PM Damn, I never knew Gorman Thomas played for the Mets. G-Fafif May 09 2009 07:05 AM Bill Denehy's all right, but I really love that view beyond the 358 sign. metirish May 11 2009 01:16 PM I liked Rick White.....was it Kiner or Healy that would always mess his name up? I remember Rick being big for us in 2000 , always seemed to be in trouble though. Fman99 May 11 2009 02:17 PM ="metirish":1aprm4tv]I liked Rick White.....was it Kiner or Healy that would always mess his name up? I remember Rick being big for us in 2000 , always seemed to be in trouble though.[/quote:1aprm4tv] I attended the game[/url:1aprm4tv] that he debuted as a Met in, in 2000, that was also Mike (A-)Bordick's debut game in which he homered. Rick picked up the win in relief of Rick Reed that day. seawolf17 May 11 2009 06:47 PM ="metirish":2d0fy8i4]I liked Rick White.....was it Kiner or Healy that would always mess his name up? I remember Rick being big for us in 2000 , always seemed to be in trouble though.[/quote:2d0fy8i4] You mean "Rick Wheat"? G-Fafif May 11 2009 09:23 PM It was Fran: "Shea will be ricking for Rock White!" I have yet to miss Fran Healy. cooby May 12 2009 06:56 PM I will miss Fran Healy until my bones are dust in the wind.... Who is that now? Rockin' Doc May 12 2009 07:11 PM Robotic Danny Heep! cooby May 12 2009 07:12 PM Izzit? I remember him... Edgy DC May 13 2009 07:34 AM Looking at Heep here, I realize I have a mostly irrational hatred of shaving down the knob at the end of the bat and wrapping one's lower hands around the shaven knob. (grumpy old man)Your hands belong above the knob.(/grumpy) (I'm also not particular to when guys have dimples hollowed out at the end of their bats. (I think Wally Backman was the first guy I noticed with such a bat, but it probably pre-dates him by at least a decade..) Benjamin Grimm May 13 2009 08:12 AM "wrapping one's hands around the shaven knob" That definitely calls for a response from Fman. metsmarathon May 13 2009 08:23 AM i would've expected the knob never to need shaving... MFS62 May 15 2009 07:51 AM I'm seeing the dreaded red x in the box instead of a picture on this morning's banner. EDIT: Never mind, the picture just found its way in there. Later metirish May 19 2009 05:31 PM Castillo looks a bit like Ortiz , yes/no? Edgy DC May 21 2009 04:20 PM Mike Cubbage and his magic leviation glasses. Swan Swan H May 21 2009 05:09 PM See the ball, hit the ball. Met Hunter May 22 2009 06:11 AM Last summer my daughter had a soccer tourney in Va Beach. The last day there, a bunch of us happened upon a Tides game in Norfolk. I noticed Cubbage sitting behind us in a Rays hat and a clipboard. He's a scout. He was so noticeable to me. Between innings we said hello and he was nice as can be. cooby Jun 04 2009 08:16 PM Is that "Sweetness" Luis Lopez? Kong76 Jun 04 2009 08:26 PM Click on the the 'this guy' link and find out each and every time the picture changes! cooby Jun 04 2009 08:28 PM Cool! I thought it still was about the Ramones Kong76 Jun 04 2009 08:34 PM She continues the friend or foe game. Benjamin Grimm Jun 05 2009 06:48 AM ="Kong76":29zavirn]Click on the the 'this guy' link and find out each and every time the picture changes![/quote:29zavirn] I love the addition of the "this guy" link. It's very helpful, since I recognize very few of the players that appeared in 1990 or after. Frayed Knot Jun 05 2009 08:13 PM It's Luis Lopez, but is it 'Super Luis Lopez Ultra'? cooby Jun 06 2009 10:30 AM ="Kong76":15bfr057]She continues the friend or foe game.[/quote:15bfr057] Now Kasey, don't take that the wrong way. It's kind of like the front door to your house. You don't notice all the squished bugs and spider webs and hand prints and stuff on it until after somebody has stopped by and suddenly you realize that you don't even really look at your front door anymore. I know you won't know what I'm talking about. Edgy DC Jun 06 2009 02:23 PM ="Frayed Knot":1q2hkxgb]It's Luis Lopez, but is it 'Super Luis Lopez Ultra'?[/quote:1q2hkxgb] I prefer Luis "Left Eye" Lopez. metirish Jun 06 2009 02:49 PM ="Benjamin Grimm":33ihq0he] ="Kong76":33ihq0he]Click on the the 'this guy' link and find out each and every time the picture changes![/quote:33ihq0he] I love the addition of the "this guy" link. It's very helpful, since I recognize very few of the players that appeared in 1990 or after.[/quote:33ihq0he] Me too , never noticed it before. Kong76 Jun 06 2009 03:35 PM coo: I know you won't know what I'm talking about <<< I don't even know what I'm talking about some days. Hopefully if there are more people who didn't realize that was a link, they will read this thread and utilize it. cooby Jun 07 2009 11:12 AM What i kinda meant was you can look at your own front door over and over again and not really see it cooby Jun 14 2009 09:23 AM at last! Kong76 Jun 27 2009 07:02 AM I guess the joke's on me! I posted an invitation on the "this guy" up top (to see if anyone really clicks there) and see if I got any bites. I get one PM from the coobster that his name is Julio and eats iguannas which is where I my brain was going with it but I didn't remember he spent time in the clink for murder?? ---------- Wikipedia: Julio Machado, born Julio Segundo Machado Rond�n (December 1, 1965 in Zulia State, Venezuela) is a former Major League Baseball right-handed relief pitcher who played for the New York Mets (1989-90) and Milwaukee Brewers (1990-91). Machado started his career with the Mets. In the 1990 season, he went to the Brewers in a four-player deal, along with pitcher Kevin Brown, in exchange for catcher Charlie O'Brien and a minor league player. Machado had a decent fastball, good control and willingness to challenge hitters. He also pitched a better-than-average curveball and a slider. Machado was certainly good enough to pitch for a few more years. However, he is a footnote in the ledger of baseball history. Spending the 1991 off-season in his homeland, Machado was arrested for murder being accused of shooting a woman following an auto accident. He was convicted and, following appeals, he was sentenced to 12 years in 1996. In a three-year career, Machado posted a 7-5 record with 151 strikeouts and a 3.12 ERA in 147 innings. Machado went on to play in the Venezuelan winter league and currently coaches in that league. Machado was nicknamed "Iguanaman" for his fondness of eating the meat of iguanas. ---------- Next time our paths cross, coobs ... I owe you a beer! Edgy DC Jun 27 2009 01:08 PM I conflate Julio Machado and Jose Bautista. Benjamin Grimm Jun 27 2009 01:10 PM My newest conflation is Elmer Dessens and Casey Fossum. seawolf17 Jun 27 2009 05:39 PM I loved Julio Machado. Unquestionably in the bullpen of my All-Time Mets 25-Man Roster. Frayed Knot Jul 15 2009 05:32 PM That's either Roy McMillan or Harry Truman

[stevejrogers]

="Edgy DC":3lhjvaqr] ="SteveJRogers":3lhjvaqr]Oh sure he eventually put up numbers that make his place on our rankings warranted, but if a Met historian was going through the totality of Met history, Doc could concievably rank third, fourth or even fifth among all time Met hurlers (eh, only Koosman off hand do I see even being considered to be placed higher but you never know with some Sabermetricians or anyone really).[/quote:3lhjvaqr] That's true. You never know with anyone. ?[/quote:3lhjvaqr] I should really cut out the incoherent part of my ramblings huh? You never know what someone is going to do when justifying reasons for putting Dwight Gooden lower than 2nd on a list of all-time Metly hurlers. Maybe Matlack's and Darling's postseason successes could make someone chose them over Gooden. I wouldn't, but I can see that case being made. Kong76 Jan 28 2009 07:43 PM SJI: I should really cut out the incoherent part of my ramblings huh? <<< I utter this to myself often, but I ramble on. Don't change, Steve ... the only person you can be is you. SteveJRogers Jan 31 2009 06:32 PM Kase, why am I looking at Sidd Fynch? It is not April 1st yet. Well, just asking in case there is a reason beyond "random generator." Kong76 Jan 31 2009 07:08 PM Super Bowl Sunday silliness. metsguyinmichigan Feb 01 2009 08:40 PM Brilliant! metirish Feb 02 2009 06:47 AM One of the best stories ever told.....love it. Frayed Knot Feb 02 2009 07:37 AM We could definitely use Finch in our rotation this year but he's recently hired Boras as his agent and now there are rumors of a secret monastery in the bidding for his services. Kong76 Feb 02 2009 03:49 PM Going over my lists, I think I messed up a few things ... First, I think I did Eddie Murray twice. This is Dick Selma, right? Frisella and Heilman remain from the top 100 as undone. I did Charlie Neal twice too? I better not quit my day job. Edgy DC Feb 03 2009 07:20 AM Neal's intensity is worth a double dose, though. He looks part Comanche. batmagadanleadoff Feb 03 2009 05:23 PM Neal's batting helmet is flocked. Kong76 Feb 03 2009 06:10 PM It is kind of an odd picture. It's cropped from a photo in Tales from the 1962 New York Mets, by Janet Paskin, and the photo credit is Getty Images. Edgy DC Feb 04 2009 07:01 AM Getty was born in the nineties. Funny to see them distributing pictures of the early Mets, but I guess they've been buying up old libraries. They're a great business model for the nu economy, by the way. themetfairy Feb 27 2009 06:38 PM themetfairy Mar 02 2009 04:22 PM David Weathers? Kong76 Mar 03 2009 12:35 PM Formality of doing all top 200 ... I got rid of him quick :-) Benjamin Grimm Mar 03 2009 12:38 PM Didn't we once calculate that it will take something like 60,000 years for Tom Seaver to fall out of the top 500? I wonder how long it would take for David Weathers to fall out of the top 200? themetfairy Mar 03 2009 06:44 PM ="Kong76":2bnhmr7e]Formality of doing all top 200 ... I got rid of him quick :-)[/quote:2bnhmr7e] It wasn't a complaint. Weathers was actually nice to the kids before a game in Kansas City (shortly before he was traded). I was just trying to identify the photo. Kong76 Mar 04 2009 04:45 AM I didn't think you were complaining. seawolf17 Mar 25 2009 03:09 PM Is that my homeboy, Pistol Pete Harnisch? Kong76 Mar 25 2009 03:43 PM Yup �, from a 1995 program ... soupcan Mar 27 2009 07:36 AM Crazy Pete! SteveJRogers Mar 28 2009 09:34 AM Nicely done! Benjamin Grimm Apr 03 2009 02:06 PM Ray Knight looks like he's squeezing out a fart. metirish Apr 03 2009 02:29 PM Looks a bit like Kevin Appier when I first took notice , Appier featured that stance quite a bit too IIRC. TransMonk Apr 07 2009 03:49 PM Never bitched before, but the banner reads: Everybody in the pool! Joining us for off-season hot stove discussion is easy. Shoot us an email introducing yourself and letting us know what user name you'd like to use. An admin will activate your user name asap, and send you sign-on instructions. Thanks for visiting! Time to update for 2009! Kong76 Apr 07 2009 04:00 PM Thanks for the nudge, I was dosing again. TransMonk Apr 08 2009 09:26 AM As always, the admins do a great job with this site. MFS62 Apr 08 2009 10:07 AM ="TransMonk":34eve5h6]As always, the admins do a great job with this site.[/quote:34eve5h6] Except when they ignore my fervent plea for help. Later Kong76 Apr 08 2009 05:17 PM Trying to make my numbers add up. This was Jeff Reardon, right? ... Kong76 Apr 08 2009 05:28 PM 142 doesn't show up with my chicken scratch list either. Dick Selma? I'm just being lazy, I'll figure it out if no one chimes in. SteveJRogers Apr 12 2009 07:00 PM Whats with the Announcer Troika? Not that I'm complaining of course. Edgy DC Apr 12 2009 07:26 PM Seems self-explanatory. Met Hunter Apr 12 2009 11:34 PM ="Kong76"]Trying to make my numbers add up. This was Jeff Reardon, right? ... This one looks like Neil Allen. Met Hunter Apr 12 2009 11:34 PM ="Kong76"]142 doesn't show up with my chicken scratch list either. Dick Selma? I'm just being lazy, I'll figure it out if no one chimes in. This is Larry Bearnarth. Kong76 Apr 15 2009 06:33 PM Thanks, MH ... I've been busy and haven't been able to look at this much. SteveJRogers Apr 20 2009 06:26 PM So the player's name is going to be linked in the banner going forward, or is this just a random "hey it's Cliff, why not" sort of thing? Kong76 Apr 20 2009 07:19 PM Started with D.J. Dozier over the weekend, no one noticed. Top 200 Mets thing died with ~ 15 left ... the CPF contract with the Ramones has expired too ... everyone hates the new stadium ... David Wright can only hit when no one is on base ... if it weren't for Johan I'd just pull the plug. Random Mets from here on in until further notice. Rockin' Doc Apr 20 2009 07:39 PM Bang! Pow! Cliff Floyd is one of my all-time favorite Mets. Nice to see him making an appearance around the 'pool once again. Edgy DC Apr 20 2009 08:19 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 20 2009 10:35 PM The Crane Pool Forum has appreciated their relationship over the years with the Ramones, but after recent meetings with Marky, Tommy, and CJ, all agreed that it was best for both parties to go in seperate directions. We wish the Ramones well and hope for opportunities to work together in the future. In the meantime, the Crane Pool Forum is very excited about the new era of linking our introduction statement to our banner, to help people understand who exactly we're looking at. In an age of names which honor corporate relationships trumping names that are meaningful to the fan's and the city's relationship with the team, we feel confident in making a countercultural choice, and hope the fans will be excited to see us zag as other fora continue to zig. Frayed Knot Apr 20 2009 09:14 PM ]Started with D.J. Dozier over the weekend, no one noticed. I did. Elster88 Apr 20 2009 11:43 PM I noticed. I like it. Met Hunter Apr 21 2009 10:00 AM I like to try guessing. I recognized DJ before I saw the name. Now I will just guess without looking to the right. Edgy DC Apr 21 2009 11:34 AM That looks like the photo that produced the BANG! POW! image, but that one had him in the orange jersey. G-Fafif Apr 21 2009 12:04 PM Love the Player ID program. Great touch. The Ramones can go their own way. Or is that Fleetwood Mac? Fman99 Apr 21 2009 12:16 PM ="Elster88":wx56um7b]I noticed. I like it.[/quote:wx56um7b] Ditto. I didn't notice it with Dozier but I did today with Floyd. Even better for us younger sorts, who don't instantly recognize the 1960s-1970s era Mets just by head shots. SteveJRogers Apr 22 2009 06:09 PM Give it up for David Wright's agent! Met Hunter Apr 22 2009 06:59 PM Man, I can still remember when Keith was that thin. Elster88 Apr 28 2009 10:04 PM Looks like the banner has "click here" instead of the player's name. Is that intentional? Kong76 Apr 29 2009 04:24 PM I never know if Elster is serious. But, if you click on "click here" it will bring you to the UMDB page of the player pictured. I figured when I was putting the name some people were disappointed because they liked to guess so click here fixes that. Farmer Ted May 04 2009 03:04 PM I like it. I like it a lot. metsmarathon May 04 2009 03:22 PM ]Intelligent, lively, and provocative discussion of the Mets, Ed Kranepool, and, when we're gettin' on a roll, this guy! Kong76 May 04 2009 04:43 PM Thanks, that flows better. batmagadanleadoff May 05 2009 04:22 PM Thurman Munson? Rockin' Doc May 05 2009 06:05 PM Damn, I never knew Gorman Thomas played for the Mets. G-Fafif May 09 2009 07:05 AM Bill Denehy's all right, but I really love that view beyond the 358 sign. metirish May 11 2009 01:16 PM I liked Rick White.....was it Kiner or Healy that would always mess his name up? I remember Rick being big for us in 2000 , always seemed to be in trouble though. Fman99 May 11 2009 02:17 PM ="metirish":1aprm4tv]I liked Rick White.....was it Kiner or Healy that would always mess his name up? I remember Rick being big for us in 2000 , always seemed to be in trouble though.[/quote:1aprm4tv] I attended the game[/url:1aprm4tv] that he debuted as a Met in, in 2000, that was also Mike (A-)Bordick's debut game in which he homered. Rick picked up the win in relief of Rick Reed that day. seawolf17 May 11 2009 06:47 PM ="metirish":2d0fy8i4]I liked Rick White.....was it Kiner or Healy that would always mess his name up? I remember Rick being big for us in 2000 , always seemed to be in trouble though.[/quote:2d0fy8i4] You mean "Rick Wheat"? G-Fafif May 11 2009 09:23 PM It was Fran: "Shea will be ricking for Rock White!" I have yet to miss Fran Healy. cooby May 12 2009 06:56 PM I will miss Fran Healy until my bones are dust in the wind.... Who is that now? Rockin' Doc May 12 2009 07:11 PM Robotic Danny Heep! cooby May 12 2009 07:12 PM Izzit? I remember him... Edgy DC May 13 2009 07:34 AM Looking at Heep here, I realize I have a mostly irrational hatred of shaving down the knob at the end of the bat and wrapping one's lower hands around the shaven knob. (grumpy old man)Your hands belong above the knob.(/grumpy) (I'm also not particular to when guys have dimples hollowed out at the end of their bats. (I think Wally Backman was the first guy I noticed with such a bat, but it probably pre-dates him by at least a decade..) Benjamin Grimm May 13 2009 08:12 AM "wrapping one's hands around the shaven knob" That definitely calls for a response from Fman. metsmarathon May 13 2009 08:23 AM i would've expected the knob never to need shaving... MFS62 May 15 2009 07:51 AM I'm seeing the dreaded red x in the box instead of a picture on this morning's banner. EDIT: Never mind, the picture just found its way in there. Later metirish May 19 2009 05:31 PM Castillo looks a bit like Ortiz , yes/no? Edgy DC May 21 2009 04:20 PM Mike Cubbage and his magic leviation glasses. Swan Swan H May 21 2009 05:09 PM See the ball, hit the ball. Met Hunter May 22 2009 06:11 AM Last summer my daughter had a soccer tourney in Va Beach. The last day there, a bunch of us happened upon a Tides game in Norfolk. I noticed Cubbage sitting behind us in a Rays hat and a clipboard. He's a scout. He was so noticeable to me. Between innings we said hello and he was nice as can be. cooby Jun 04 2009 08:16 PM Is that "Sweetness" Luis Lopez? Kong76 Jun 04 2009 08:26 PM Click on the the 'this guy' link and find out each and every time the picture changes! cooby Jun 04 2009 08:28 PM Cool! I thought it still was about the Ramones Kong76 Jun 04 2009 08:34 PM She continues the friend or foe game. Benjamin Grimm Jun 05 2009 06:48 AM ="Kong76":29zavirn]Click on the the 'this guy' link and find out each and every time the picture changes![/quote:29zavirn] I love the addition of the "this guy" link. It's very helpful, since I recognize very few of the players that appeared in 1990 or after. Frayed Knot Jun 05 2009 08:13 PM It's Luis Lopez, but is it 'Super Luis Lopez Ultra'? cooby Jun 06 2009 10:30 AM ="Kong76":15bfr057]She continues the friend or foe game.[/quote:15bfr057] Now Kasey, don't take that the wrong way. It's kind of like the front door to your house. You don't notice all the squished bugs and spider webs and hand prints and stuff on it until after somebody has stopped by and suddenly you realize that you don't even really look at your front door anymore. I know you won't know what I'm talking about. Edgy DC Jun 06 2009 02:23 PM ="Frayed Knot":1q2hkxgb]It's Luis Lopez, but is it 'Super Luis Lopez Ultra'?[/quote:1q2hkxgb] I prefer Luis "Left Eye" Lopez. metirish Jun 06 2009 02:49 PM ="Benjamin Grimm":33ihq0he] ="Kong76":33ihq0he]Click on the the 'this guy' link and find out each and every time the picture changes![/quote:33ihq0he] I love the addition of the "this guy" link. It's very helpful, since I recognize very few of the players that appeared in 1990 or after.[/quote:33ihq0he] Me too , never noticed it before. Kong76 Jun 06 2009 03:35 PM coo: I know you won't know what I'm talking about <<< I don't even know what I'm talking about some days. Hopefully if there are more people who didn't realize that was a link, they will read this thread and utilize it. cooby Jun 07 2009 11:12 AM What i kinda meant was you can look at your own front door over and over again and not really see it cooby Jun 14 2009 09:23 AM at last! Kong76 Jun 27 2009 07:02 AM I guess the joke's on me! I posted an invitation on the "this guy" up top (to see if anyone really clicks there) and see if I got any bites. I get one PM from the coobster that his name is Julio and eats iguannas which is where I my brain was going with it but I didn't remember he spent time in the clink for murder?? ---------- Wikipedia: Julio Machado, born Julio Segundo Machado Rond�n (December 1, 1965 in Zulia State, Venezuela) is a former Major League Baseball right-handed relief pitcher who played for the New York Mets (1989-90) and Milwaukee Brewers (1990-91). Machado started his career with the Mets. In the 1990 season, he went to the Brewers in a four-player deal, along with pitcher Kevin Brown, in exchange for catcher Charlie O'Brien and a minor league player. Machado had a decent fastball, good control and willingness to challenge hitters. He also pitched a better-than-average curveball and a slider. Machado was certainly good enough to pitch for a few more years. However, he is a footnote in the ledger of baseball history. Spending the 1991 off-season in his homeland, Machado was arrested for murder being accused of shooting a woman following an auto accident. He was convicted and, following appeals, he was sentenced to 12 years in 1996. In a three-year career, Machado posted a 7-5 record with 151 strikeouts and a 3.12 ERA in 147 innings. Machado went on to play in the Venezuelan winter league and currently coaches in that league. Machado was nicknamed "Iguanaman" for his fondness of eating the meat of iguanas. ---------- Next time our paths cross, coobs ... I owe you a beer! Edgy DC Jun 27 2009 01:08 PM I conflate Julio Machado and Jose Bautista. Benjamin Grimm Jun 27 2009 01:10 PM My newest conflation is Elmer Dessens and Casey Fossum. seawolf17 Jun 27 2009 05:39 PM I loved Julio Machado. Unquestionably in the bullpen of my All-Time Mets 25-Man Roster. Frayed Knot Jul 15 2009 05:32 PM That's either Roy McMillan or Harry Truman

[Guest Kong76]

SJI: I should really cut out the incoherent part of my ramblings huh? <<<

I utter this to myself often, but I ramble on.

Don't change, Steve ... the only person you can be is you.

[stevejrogers]

Kase, why am I looking at Sidd Fynch? It is not April 1st yet.

Well, just asking in case there is a reason beyond "random generator."

[Guest Kong76]

Super Bowl Sunday silliness.

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

Brilliant!

[metirish]

One of the best stories ever told.....love it.

[Frayed Knot]

We could definitely use Finch in our rotation this year but he's recently hired Boras as his agent and now there are rumors of a secret monastery in the bidding for his services.

[Guest Kong76]

Going over my lists, I think I messed up a few things ...

First, I think I did Eddie Murray twice.




This is Dick Selma, right?



Frisella and Heilman remain from the top 100 as undone.

I did Charlie Neal twice too?




I better not quit my day job.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Neal's intensity is worth a double dose, though. He looks part Comanche.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Neal's batting helmet is flocked.

[Guest Kong76]

It is kind of an odd picture.

It's cropped from a photo in Tales from the 1962 New York Mets, by Janet
Paskin, and the photo credit is Getty Images.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Getty was born in the nineties. Funny to see them distributing pictures of the early Mets, but I guess they've been buying up old libraries.

They're a great business model for the nu economy, by the way.

[Guest themetfairy]

[Guest themetfairy]

David Weathers?

[Guest Kong76]

Formality of doing all top 200 ... I got rid of him quick :-)

[Benjamin Grimm]

Didn't we once calculate that it will take something like 60,000 years for Tom Seaver to fall out of the top 500?

I wonder how long it would take for David Weathers to fall out of the top 200?

[Guest themetfairy]

="Kong76":2bnhmr7e]Formality of doing all top 200 ... I got rid of him quick :-)[/quote:2bnhmr7e] It wasn't a complaint. Weathers was actually nice to the kids before a game in Kansas City (shortly before he was traded). I was just trying to identify the photo.

Kong76 Mar 04 2009 04:45 AM

I didn't think you were complaining.

seawolf17 Mar 25 2009 03:09 PM

Is that my homeboy, Pistol Pete Harnisch?

Kong76 Mar 25 2009 03:43 PM

Yup �, from a 1995 program ...

soupcan Mar 27 2009 07:36 AM

Crazy Pete!

SteveJRogers Mar 28 2009 09:34 AM

Nicely done!

Benjamin Grimm Apr 03 2009 02:06 PM

Ray Knight looks like he's squeezing out a fart.

metirish Apr 03 2009 02:29 PM

Looks a bit like Kevin Appier when I first took notice , Appier featured that stance quite a bit too IIRC.

TransMonk Apr 07 2009 03:49 PM

Never bitched before, but the banner reads: Everybody in the pool! Joining us for off-season hot stove discussion is easy. Shoot us an email introducing yourself and letting us know what user name you'd like to use. An admin will activate your user name asap, and send you sign-on instructions. Thanks for visiting! Time to update for 2009!

Kong76 Apr 07 2009 04:00 PM

Thanks for the nudge, I was dosing again.

TransMonk Apr 08 2009 09:26 AM

As always, the admins do a great job with this site.

MFS62 Apr 08 2009 10:07 AM

="TransMonk":34eve5h6]As always, the admins do a great job with this site.[/quote:34eve5h6] Except when they ignore my fervent plea for help. Later Kong76 Apr 08 2009 05:17 PM Trying to make my numbers add up. This was Jeff Reardon, right? ... Kong76 Apr 08 2009 05:28 PM 142 doesn't show up with my chicken scratch list either. Dick Selma? I'm just being lazy, I'll figure it out if no one chimes in. SteveJRogers Apr 12 2009 07:00 PM Whats with the Announcer Troika? Not that I'm complaining of course. Edgy DC Apr 12 2009 07:26 PM Seems self-explanatory. Met Hunter Apr 12 2009 11:34 PM ="Kong76"]Trying to make my numbers add up. This was Jeff Reardon, right? ... This one looks like Neil Allen. Met Hunter Apr 12 2009 11:34 PM ="Kong76"]142 doesn't show up with my chicken scratch list either. Dick Selma? I'm just being lazy, I'll figure it out if no one chimes in. This is Larry Bearnarth. Kong76 Apr 15 2009 06:33 PM Thanks, MH ... I've been busy and haven't been able to look at this much. SteveJRogers Apr 20 2009 06:26 PM So the player's name is going to be linked in the banner going forward, or is this just a random "hey it's Cliff, why not" sort of thing? Kong76 Apr 20 2009 07:19 PM Started with D.J. Dozier over the weekend, no one noticed. Top 200 Mets thing died with ~ 15 left ... the CPF contract with the Ramones has expired too ... everyone hates the new stadium ... David Wright can only hit when no one is on base ... if it weren't for Johan I'd just pull the plug. Random Mets from here on in until further notice. Rockin' Doc Apr 20 2009 07:39 PM Bang! Pow! Cliff Floyd is one of my all-time favorite Mets. Nice to see him making an appearance around the 'pool once again. Edgy DC Apr 20 2009 08:19 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 20 2009 10:35 PM The Crane Pool Forum has appreciated their relationship over the years with the Ramones, but after recent meetings with Marky, Tommy, and CJ, all agreed that it was best for both parties to go in seperate directions. We wish the Ramones well and hope for opportunities to work together in the future. In the meantime, the Crane Pool Forum is very excited about the new era of linking our introduction statement to our banner, to help people understand who exactly we're looking at. In an age of names which honor corporate relationships trumping names that are meaningful to the fan's and the city's relationship with the team, we feel confident in making a countercultural choice, and hope the fans will be excited to see us zag as other fora continue to zig. Frayed Knot Apr 20 2009 09:14 PM ]Started with D.J. Dozier over the weekend, no one noticed. I did. Elster88 Apr 20 2009 11:43 PM I noticed. I like it. Met Hunter Apr 21 2009 10:00 AM I like to try guessing. I recognized DJ before I saw the name. Now I will just guess without looking to the right. Edgy DC Apr 21 2009 11:34 AM That looks like the photo that produced the BANG! POW! image, but that one had him in the orange jersey. G-Fafif Apr 21 2009 12:04 PM Love the Player ID program. Great touch. The Ramones can go their own way. Or is that Fleetwood Mac? Fman99 Apr 21 2009 12:16 PM ="Elster88":wx56um7b]I noticed. I like it.[/quote:wx56um7b] Ditto. I didn't notice it with Dozier but I did today with Floyd. Even better for us younger sorts, who don't instantly recognize the 1960s-1970s era Mets just by head shots. SteveJRogers Apr 22 2009 06:09 PM Give it up for David Wright's agent! Met Hunter Apr 22 2009 06:59 PM Man, I can still remember when Keith was that thin. Elster88 Apr 28 2009 10:04 PM Looks like the banner has "click here" instead of the player's name. Is that intentional? Kong76 Apr 29 2009 04:24 PM I never know if Elster is serious. But, if you click on "click here" it will bring you to the UMDB page of the player pictured. I figured when I was putting the name some people were disappointed because they liked to guess so click here fixes that. Farmer Ted May 04 2009 03:04 PM I like it. I like it a lot. metsmarathon May 04 2009 03:22 PM ]Intelligent, lively, and provocative discussion of the Mets, Ed Kranepool, and, when we're gettin' on a roll, this guy! Kong76 May 04 2009 04:43 PM Thanks, that flows better. batmagadanleadoff May 05 2009 04:22 PM Thurman Munson? Rockin' Doc May 05 2009 06:05 PM Damn, I never knew Gorman Thomas played for the Mets. G-Fafif May 09 2009 07:05 AM Bill Denehy's all right, but I really love that view beyond the 358 sign. metirish May 11 2009 01:16 PM I liked Rick White.....was it Kiner or Healy that would always mess his name up? I remember Rick being big for us in 2000 , always seemed to be in trouble though. Fman99 May 11 2009 02:17 PM ="metirish":1aprm4tv]I liked Rick White.....was it Kiner or Healy that would always mess his name up? I remember Rick being big for us in 2000 , always seemed to be in trouble though.[/quote:1aprm4tv] I attended the game[/url:1aprm4tv] that he debuted as a Met in, in 2000, that was also Mike (A-)Bordick's debut game in which he homered. Rick picked up the win in relief of Rick Reed that day. seawolf17 May 11 2009 06:47 PM ="metirish":2d0fy8i4]I liked Rick White.....was it Kiner or Healy that would always mess his name up? I remember Rick being big for us in 2000 , always seemed to be in trouble though.[/quote:2d0fy8i4] You mean "Rick Wheat"? G-Fafif May 11 2009 09:23 PM It was Fran: "Shea will be ricking for Rock White!" I have yet to miss Fran Healy. cooby May 12 2009 06:56 PM I will miss Fran Healy until my bones are dust in the wind.... Who is that now? Rockin' Doc May 12 2009 07:11 PM Robotic Danny Heep! cooby May 12 2009 07:12 PM Izzit? I remember him... Edgy DC May 13 2009 07:34 AM Looking at Heep here, I realize I have a mostly irrational hatred of shaving down the knob at the end of the bat and wrapping one's lower hands around the shaven knob. (grumpy old man)Your hands belong above the knob.(/grumpy) (I'm also not particular to when guys have dimples hollowed out at the end of their bats. (I think Wally Backman was the first guy I noticed with such a bat, but it probably pre-dates him by at least a decade..) Benjamin Grimm May 13 2009 08:12 AM "wrapping one's hands around the shaven knob" That definitely calls for a response from Fman. metsmarathon May 13 2009 08:23 AM i would've expected the knob never to need shaving... MFS62 May 15 2009 07:51 AM I'm seeing the dreaded red x in the box instead of a picture on this morning's banner. EDIT: Never mind, the picture just found its way in there. Later metirish May 19 2009 05:31 PM Castillo looks a bit like Ortiz , yes/no? Edgy DC May 21 2009 04:20 PM Mike Cubbage and his magic leviation glasses. Swan Swan H May 21 2009 05:09 PM See the ball, hit the ball. Met Hunter May 22 2009 06:11 AM Last summer my daughter had a soccer tourney in Va Beach. The last day there, a bunch of us happened upon a Tides game in Norfolk. I noticed Cubbage sitting behind us in a Rays hat and a clipboard. He's a scout. He was so noticeable to me. Between innings we said hello and he was nice as can be. cooby Jun 04 2009 08:16 PM Is that "Sweetness" Luis Lopez? Kong76 Jun 04 2009 08:26 PM Click on the the 'this guy' link and find out each and every time the picture changes! cooby Jun 04 2009 08:28 PM Cool! I thought it still was about the Ramones Kong76 Jun 04 2009 08:34 PM She continues the friend or foe game. Benjamin Grimm Jun 05 2009 06:48 AM ="Kong76":29zavirn]Click on the the 'this guy' link and find out each and every time the picture changes![/quote:29zavirn] I love the addition of the "this guy" link. It's very helpful, since I recognize very few of the players that appeared in 1990 or after. Frayed Knot Jun 05 2009 08:13 PM It's Luis Lopez, but is it 'Super Luis Lopez Ultra'? cooby Jun 06 2009 10:30 AM ="Kong76":15bfr057]She continues the friend or foe game.[/quote:15bfr057] Now Kasey, don't take that the wrong way. It's kind of like the front door to your house. You don't notice all the squished bugs and spider webs and hand prints and stuff on it until after somebody has stopped by and suddenly you realize that you don't even really look at your front door anymore. I know you won't know what I'm talking about. Edgy DC Jun 06 2009 02:23 PM ="Frayed Knot":1q2hkxgb]It's Luis Lopez, but is it 'Super Luis Lopez Ultra'?[/quote:1q2hkxgb] I prefer Luis "Left Eye" Lopez. metirish Jun 06 2009 02:49 PM ="Benjamin Grimm":33ihq0he] ="Kong76":33ihq0he]Click on the the 'this guy' link and find out each and every time the picture changes![/quote:33ihq0he] I love the addition of the "this guy" link. It's very helpful, since I recognize very few of the players that appeared in 1990 or after.[/quote:33ihq0he] Me too , never noticed it before. Kong76 Jun 06 2009 03:35 PM coo: I know you won't know what I'm talking about <<< I don't even know what I'm talking about some days. Hopefully if there are more people who didn't realize that was a link, they will read this thread and utilize it. cooby Jun 07 2009 11:12 AM What i kinda meant was you can look at your own front door over and over again and not really see it cooby Jun 14 2009 09:23 AM at last! Kong76 Jun 27 2009 07:02 AM I guess the joke's on me! I posted an invitation on the "this guy" up top (to see if anyone really clicks there) and see if I got any bites. I get one PM from the coobster that his name is Julio and eats iguannas which is where I my brain was going with it but I didn't remember he spent time in the clink for murder?? ---------- Wikipedia: Julio Machado, born Julio Segundo Machado Rond�n (December 1, 1965 in Zulia State, Venezuela) is a former Major League Baseball right-handed relief pitcher who played for the New York Mets (1989-90) and Milwaukee Brewers (1990-91). Machado started his career with the Mets. In the 1990 season, he went to the Brewers in a four-player deal, along with pitcher Kevin Brown, in exchange for catcher Charlie O'Brien and a minor league player. Machado had a decent fastball, good control and willingness to challenge hitters. He also pitched a better-than-average curveball and a slider. Machado was certainly good enough to pitch for a few more years. However, he is a footnote in the ledger of baseball history. Spending the 1991 off-season in his homeland, Machado was arrested for murder being accused of shooting a woman following an auto accident. He was convicted and, following appeals, he was sentenced to 12 years in 1996. In a three-year career, Machado posted a 7-5 record with 151 strikeouts and a 3.12 ERA in 147 innings. Machado went on to play in the Venezuelan winter league and currently coaches in that league. Machado was nicknamed "Iguanaman" for his fondness of eating the meat of iguanas. ---------- Next time our paths cross, coobs ... I owe you a beer! Edgy DC Jun 27 2009 01:08 PM I conflate Julio Machado and Jose Bautista. Benjamin Grimm Jun 27 2009 01:10 PM My newest conflation is Elmer Dessens and Casey Fossum. seawolf17 Jun 27 2009 05:39 PM I loved Julio Machado. Unquestionably in the bullpen of my All-Time Mets 25-Man Roster. Frayed Knot Jul 15 2009 05:32 PM That's either Roy McMillan or Harry Truman

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