Schaefer business

[Fman99]

C'mon people. Even if you didn't watch the game, you can look at the box score and see who might rate.

[Guest themetfairy]

Never mind....

[Guest *62]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Thank you, *62! I'll definitely keep it going through the end of 2008. We'll see how I feel about it next spring.

Well, not only for the vote ..... y'all are a decent group, good discussion .... and this is the only place I haven't been banned, aside from my own playground, of course.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Last call for votes for Tuesday night's win over Washington. (John Maine's game.) Voting will close in a few hours. (9 voters so far.)

Voting for Claudio Vargas' game (Wednesday night's loss to the Nationals) will close some time over the weekend.

We're getting really good turnout for yesterday's 1-0 loss. Voting for that game will continue until Tuesday. (I'll post a final reminder on Monday.)

[Guest themetfairy]

For purposes of Schaefer voting in the Mets/MFY Sunday night game, I'm treating Delgado as if the umps got the call right on the 3-run homer.

[Guest AG/DC]

62* wrote: Some of you guys are WHACK! Pitching gives up two runs at Yanqui Stadium and the offense gets 7 of 10 points for unnecessary run production?? WHACK!, I tell 'ya. Howz' about some run production when the pitching gives up FIVE?! Then I'll be impressed, personally.

A team that scores 13 runs is going to win 88.2% of the time. A team that gives up two is going to win 84.2% of the time.

I dould have given the pitchers more than the three poings, but I'm OK with my vote.

Edited May 19, 2008 by Guest

[Benjamin Grimm]

Voting for Mike Pelfrey's 1-0 loss to the Nationals on Thursday afternoon will close on Tuesday morning.

I'll post another reminder tomorrow, but both games at Yankee Stadium this weekend will close on Wednesday.

[Guest *62]

Except that they scored eleven, not thirteen.

Check the newspapers.

And the percentages say.........

[Guest AG/DC]

I don't think it's too much of a stretch to give Delgado beer credit here for what was taken away unjustly by the umps.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Saturday: Mets 7, Yankees 4
Sunday: Mets 11, Yankees 2


Voting for both games played in the Bronx this weekend will close on Wednesday morning.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Season-to-date totals for 2008
Through game of May 18, 2008

Rank	Name	Points
1	Johan Santana	31.35
2	David Wright	30.08
3	Ryan Church	29.62
4	Carlos Beltran	24.94
5	John Maine	22.53
6	Jos� Reyes	22.17
7	Oliver Perez	17.12
8	Mike Pelfrey	16.24
9	Carlos Delgado	16.13
10	Angel Pagan	13.44
11	Brian Schneider	11.24
12	Nelson Figueroa	10.95
13	Billy Wagner	10.23
14	Luis Castillo	9.92
15	Aaron Heilman	9.59
16	Jorge Sosa	9.06
17	Joe Smith	7.12
18	Moises Alou	6.62
19	Damion Easley	6.25
20	Raul Casanova	5.84
21	Scott Schoeneweis	5.26
22	Pedro Feliciano	5.23
23	Duaner Sanchez	5.02
24	Marlon Anderson	3.59
25	Claudio Vargas	3.47
26	Endy Chavez	1.95
27	Carlos Muniz	1.86
28	Matt Wise	1.08
29	Brady Clark	0.70
30	Fernando Tatis	0.11
31	Pedro Martinez	0.04
32	Gustavo Molina	0.02

[Guest themetfairy]

I think that last night's game is the first one where I could not find one pitcher deserving of even a sip of Schaefer

[Benjamin Grimm]

Voting for both ends of Tuesday's day-night doubleheader in Atlanta will close on Friday morning.

Afternoon game
Nightcap

Voting for the second game is particularly light. So far, we only have votes from themetfairy, Benjamin Grimm, Fman99, John Cougar Lunchbucket, AG/DC, and soupcan.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Voting for Wednesday night's 11-4 loss in Atlanta will close some time over the Memorial Day weekend:

http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=9051

[seawolf17]

I'm not saying the Mets win the game, but Beltran misplaying Kelly Johnson's hit into a double in the seventh negated his home run for me.

Best case, Johnson gets cut down at second for the first out, or medium case, he's held to a single, which might change the whole context of the inning.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I gave Beltran and Delgado equal points, but Beltran would have had more (the extra hit and the stolen base) if not for the misplay in center field.

[soupcan]

I would've given the Mets more points if they won.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Voting for Thursday's 4-2 loss in Atlanta will close on Wednesday morning.

[Guest AG/DC]

That link no workie for me. Try this: http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=9066

[Fman99]

I hope it's OK that I started tonight's POTG thread. Makes me feel like part of the family, you know?

[Elster88]

Why are peeps giving Wags more beer than Sanchez for the Tuesday 5/27 game?

[Frayed Knot]

Perfect 9th vs a lead-off double 8th

[TransMonk]

Elster88 wrote: Why are peeps giving Wags more beer than Sanchez for the Tuesday 5/27 game?

1. Wags didn't allow a leadoff double.
2. Wags had 2 Ks to Duaner's 1
3. I feel our system undervalues him and I believe he deserves a little more recognition for being one of the better players on this mediocre team.

The top of this page shows him earning a little more beer than Luis Castillo and a little less than Nelson Figueroa this month, which is bullshit...and that was before he blew the save.

If peeps are going to give middle relievers points in losses where they did little to effect the outcome of the game, other than not put the final score more in the favor of the opposition, than I have no problem giving Wags 2 points when he does his job emphatically in a win (which is the only time he can possibly earn points anyway).

[Elster88]

I can see the one double to no hits argument. I don't agree that K's are more valuable than other outs, provided no runners are scored or advanced. I definitely don't agree with changing your vote because of what someone else votes.

The last is essentially using your vote to cancel out someone else's. It'd be like if I gave Sanchez a lot of extra beer b/c I think you guys are shortchanging him. Not right.

Just my two cents.

[Guest themetfairy]

Elster88 wrote: I can see the one double to no hits argument. I don't agree that K's are more valuable than other outs, provided no runners are scored or advanced. I definitely don't agree with changing your vote because of what someone else votes. The last is essentially using your vote to cancel out someone else's. It'd be like if I gave Sanchez a lot of extra beer b/c I think you guys are shortchanging him. Not right. Just my two cents.

I agree with Elster. Duaner working himself out of the jam made his scoreless inning as valuable as Wagner's scoreless inning in my book. And I believe that middle relievers who keep the team in the game deserve some suds for the effort.

[Frayed Knot]

Shouldn't get extra credit for working out of a jam that you yourself created.

And if we, as fans, are going to five closers extra grief for blowing 9th inning leads we can't then give the equivelent of 'no big deal' when he does close one out - and perfectly no less.

[Guest themetfairy]

Frayed Knot wrote: Shouldn't get extra credit for working out of a jam that you yourself created. And if we, as fans, are going to five closers extra grief for blowing 9th inning leads we can't then give the equivelent of 'no big deal' when he does close one out - and perfectly no less.

It wasn't extra credit. I valued Duaner's scoreless 8th equally with Wagner's scoreless 9th. Each scoreless inning was equally valuable in my evaluation.

[Frayed Knot]

You implied otherwise:

"[u:8fb6e44240]Duaner working himself out of the jam[/u:8fb6e44240] made his scoreless inning as valuable as Wagner's scoreless inning in my book"

[TransMonk]

] I don't agree

]Just my two cents

]I agree

]I believe

]In my evaluation

That's what makes the democratic process work. And isn't that what Schaefer is all about? If not, just tell me who the player of the game is and I'll stop voting.

I wasn't trying to be a dick about it...not like if I gave him 6 points.

[Gwreck]

The bigger mystery to me in the 5/27 game is how a couple of voters thought that Tatis was 2 or 1.2 points more valuable than Castro.