SPIDER-MAN 3

[Edgy MD]

That's some near-Don Martin quality onomatopoeia.

[soupcan]

Yancy Street Gang wrote: I'm not familiar with Phoebe Zeit-Geist. I sense a potential spinoff thread where we fill in those blank word balloons, though.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

Here's a closeup of Ted:

[stevejrogers]

Edgy DC wrote: I guess that means more pencilling than inking.

So he is a F'N TRACER!

[Edgy MD]

I'm not sure I want to know, but... what?

Edited May 10, 2007 by Guest

[stevejrogers]

From the Kevin Smith movie Chasing Amy, one of the stars (Jason Lee as "Banky" in the film) is part of a comic book writer/drawer team, the drawer part but apparantly the writer is also the inker so he gets heckled, frequently, by a fan (played by co-producer Scott Moiser) who calls him a tracer. It basically implies that the person who draws the art for a comic book has a really small role in the gestation of the comic book.

Not really true of course, but the character is an insecure twat that he lashes out at the ahole who calls him a tracer.

[Edgy MD]

Oh. That might have worked maybe if my setup was the opposite.

[Elster88]

I got pretty bored. The action scenes were great but in between was a snooze-fest. I'm tired of speeches from Aunt May.

[Elster88]

SteveJRogers wrote: Yancy Street Gang wrote: This movie wasn't made with a Spider-Man 4 in mind. There may yet be one, but this movie doesn't set us up in any way for what might come next. Which is the reason why Sony pretty much "forced" Sam Rami to use Venom in this film. Rami wanted to concentrate on the more classic villians that were created during Stan Lee's run with the character, but Sony essentially made Rami use probably the most popular villian in Spidey's Rouges Gallery.

I don't suppose you have proof of this? I'd be interested to read where you got this from.

[Elster88]

That's about what I expected.

[stevejrogers]

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=41291&type=0

Producers Beefed Up Spidey 3 Sam Raimi, writer/director of Spider-Man 3, told SCI FI Wire that he had a smaller sequel in mind with fewer characters, until producers Avi Arad and Laura Ziskin suggested adding a key villain and a key love interest. "I had worked on the story with my brother, Ivan, and primarily it was a story that featured the Sandman [Thomas Haden Church]," Raimi said in a news conference in Beverly Hills, Calif., last week. "It was really about Peter, Mary Jane, Harry and that new character." That's Peter Parker/Spider-Man (Tobey Maguire), Mary Jane Watson (Kirsten Dunst) and Harry Osborn (James Franco). Then Ziskin suggested adding Gwen Stacy, played by Bryce Dallas Howard, a popular character in the Marvel comics, who was Peter Parker's first love interest before she perished and before Mary Jane Watson appeared. "Well, my brother and I had written in the story about another woman that recognized Peter and knew who he was at this dinner and that Mary Jane got jealous of her," Raimi said. "But Laura Ziskin, my producer, said, 'Let's make it Gwen.' And I said, 'I don't think I should, because, ... really, Gwen was introduced before Mary Jane in the comic books, and now I'm introducing her later, and ... she's not even in high school anymore. She's in college. And I'm afraid if I introduce Gwen, the fans will have all these expectations, which we're not going to deliver in this picture.' And she said, 'Well, the fans would much rather have Gwen make an introduction now, and you can do what you need to do or someone can do what they need to do in the fourth picture with her, but at least you've introduced her, and they would appreciate that.'" Raimi said he considered the suggestion. "After much soul-searching, I thought, 'Maybe it's true. I've already screwed up the order, and I've already started the Mary Jane [storyline] first,'" Raimi said. "'Whenever [Gwen's] introduced, she'll be introduced in the wrong order. I might as well give the fans the introduction to Gwen.' So I took her advice and named her Gwen Stacy and therefore connected her to a policeman who had been on the periphery of the scenes [and became her father, Capt. Stacy, played by James Cromwell]. Made a little stronger relationship between them but, not much, just enough to be true to the fact that she was his daughter. That's about all." As he has discussed previously, Raimi added that it was Arad's idea to add the villain Venom to the mix. "Avi Arad, my partner and the former president of Marvel at the time, said to me, 'Sam, ... you're not paying attention to the fans enough,'" Raimi said. "'You need to think about them. You've made two movies now with your favorite villains, and now you're about to make another one with your favorite villains. The fans love Venom. He is the fan favorite. All Spider-Man readers love Venom, and even though you came from '70s Spider-Man, this is what the kids are thinking about. Please incorporate Venom. Listen to the fans now.' And so that's really where I realized, 'OK, maybe I don't have the whole Spider-Man universe in my head. I need to learn a little bit more about Spider-Man and maybe incorporate this villain to make some of the real die-hard fans of Spider-Man finally happy.'" Spider-Man 3 opens May 4. —Patrick Lee, News Editor

[Elster88]

Appreciate it

[Vic Sage]

...Laura Ziskin, my producer, said, 'Well, the fans would much rather have Gwen make an introduction now, and you can do what you need to do or someone can do what they need to do in the fourth picture with her, but at least you've introduced her, and they would appreciate that.'" ..."Avi Arad, my partner and the former president of Marvel at the time, said to me, 'Sam, ... you're not paying attention to the fans enough...You need to think about them... The fans love Venom. He is the fan favorite... Please incorporate Venom. Listen to the fans now.'

You know what fans appreciate? A good story, well told. Shoehorning characters in to appease the producers' notion of what their audience wants is a recipe for a crapfest.

I still haven't seen the movie, but this description of Raimi's "creative process" doesn't fill me with hope.

[Benjamin Grimm]

If I remember right, Vic, you weren't too crazy about the first two Spidey films.

The third one is definitely the least of them.

And I agree, they should tell a good story and use whatever characters fit into that good story.

[Edgy MD]

Thing about Venom is that he's visually thrilling; as a character, there isn't much there, except an outward projection of Peter's inner demons.

[nymr83]

if theres a 4th one, we can introduce Carnage, who is as much fun as Venom, especially since he hates both Spidey AND Venom.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I don't think I know who Carnage is.

I'd prefer the fourth movie to be a Strange Tales kind of movie where Spidey teams up with the Human Torch to fight the Wizard and Paste Pot Pete.

[Vic Sage]

Yancy Street Gang wrote: If I remember right, Vic, you weren't too crazy about the first two Spidey films.The .

no, i didn't love them, but i liked them well enough. I preferred the 2nd, because Molina's Doc Ock was better (both as a character and as a performance) than Defoe's Goblin. Also, the scene on the train in S-M 2 was terrific.

but all the movies have the same problem... Kirsten Dunst. She gives a bad name to bad actresses everywhere. She should be pecked to death by woodpeckers, and after they suck her sap dry, the dessicated wooden remains should be set ablaze.

And Paste Pot Pete? ...Yancy, you kill me. Weren't there 3 villains in that book... PPP, the Wizard, and the ... um... Trapster.. Trickster? Something like that?

but i do think they should do a Spidey-FF x-o ... the story where Pete needs money, so tries to join the FF, only to discover that they don't get paid either.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Paste Pot Pete and the Trapster are the same guy. (After a few appearances in Strange Tales he realized he needed a better name and a costume.) I think the name change came in FF #36, the first time the Frightful Four got together. The evil FF had three previously seen characters: The Wizard and Pete, who had teamed up in Strange Tales, and the Sandman who up to that point was (I think) just a Spidey villain. The fourth member of the team was a brand new character, the mysterious lady known as Medusa. When the Wizard found her she wasn't living with the Inhumans. Instead she was living in a cave, wearing a yellow dress, and using her hair to toss the locals around. (Gosh, I love that old Lee and Kirby stuff!)

I was talking about this with my son the other day. Now that so many Marvel characters have been (or soon will be) on the big screen, it would be cool if they started to tie it together into an onscreen Marvel universe. Having the Torch in the next Spidey movie would be a good way to start.

[nymr83]

Yancy Street Gang wrote: I don't think I know who Carnage is. I'd prefer the fourth movie to be a Strange Tales kind of movie where Spidey teams up with the Human Torch to fight the Wizard and Paste Pot Pete.

Carnage is the offspring of Venom's symbiote that has "infected" a serial killer who was once Eddie Brock's cell mate.

[Willets Point]

I think the fourth movie should feature Spidey versus the Wall:

[Elster88]

Spidey = Met-lovin big shot?

[Willets Point]

Elster88 wrote: Spidey = Met-lovin big shot?

Oh yeah!

[stevejrogers]

Spidey "got married" at Shea that day in 1987, (IIRC the same night Dwight Gooden returned from his suspenion) everyone got a free copy of the Amazing Spider-Man 1987 Annual that was the issue where Peter Parker and Mary Jane Watson tied the knot.

Hulk, Captain America and Spidey's "Amazing Friends" co-stars Iceman and Firestar also made apperances. (no fun and games with villians making apperances)

Neat publicity tie-in though, but highly cheezy and not something that should ever occur again!

Also Spidey was been spotted hanging with Mr. Met and crawling around Shea in help for the promotion of the first Spider-Man movie.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Bumping this just in case anyone else has seen it by now and would like to cast a vote.

Today Spidey 3 starts its seventh week in the theaters. That's a pretty long run, isn't it? I don't pay attention to such things, but I wonder how long most hit movies stay in release, and how quickly the flops are shut down?