Glavine

[Guest patona314]

According to ESPN radio (1050) and the Daily News, Tommy's getting 2 years - 25 Million to stay with the Mets.

[soupcan]

2 years?

So much for 'whatever my family wants'.

[Benjamin Grimm]

http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=5020&start=100

[RealityChuck]

soupcan wrote: 2 years? So much for 'whatever my family wants'.

My goodness. Do you mean to imply a player might say something in order to enhance his negotiating position?

I'm shocked, shocked. Almost as shocked as when I discovered there was gambling going on here.

[smg58]

Not sure he's young enough for two years at that price. The Mets would only save $1.5M this year, to bring him back at $12.5M next year when he might not still be better in April 2008 than some of the young guys the Mets have in the system. I'm still going to argue that picking up the full option for this year would be cheaper in the long run.

[Frayed Knot]

Remember that the Mets, in effect, owe Glavine $3mil from the "rebate" he gave them this past year - meaning that this reported $25mil is really $22 as far as what he's "earning" for the future.

Still a bigger deal than I would have imagined, plus I didn't think that Glavine was even interested in committing to a 2nd year at this point.

[Guest Iubitul]

soupcan wrote: 2 years? So much for 'whatever my family wants'.

How do we know what his family wants? We don't.

[Elster88]

Iubitul wrote: ="soupcan"]2 years? So much for 'whatever my family wants'. How do we know what his family wants? We don't.

Tom: They're offering me a second year.
Christine: So you can buy me more diamonds and shoes?
Tom: How about diamond shoes?
Christine: Call Omar back NOW.

[Guest cooby]

Iubitul wrote: ="soupcan"]2 years? So much for 'whatever my family wants'. How do we know what his family wants? We don't.

]When Glavine cleaned out his locker the day after the Mets' Game 7 ouster in the NLCS, he indicated his family's preference would be the primary factor in whether he remained a Met or returned to the Braves. Signing with Atlanta would allow Glavine to be near his wife, Christine, and his two sons at his home in Alpharetta, Ga.

Maybe his family doesn't want him nearby?

[Benjamin Grimm]

Or maybe they'd rather spend their summers in New York instead of Atlanta.

I could certainly understand that.

[Willets Point]

Atlanta is wicked hot.

[Guest patona314]

as the immortal George Young once said... " when they say it's not about the money, it's about the money".

[Guest silverdsl]

Considering how easy it is for these folks to charter a private plane, or even own one to shuttle them back and forth, the distance between Atlanta and New York might not be much of a concern for the Glavines.

[MFS62]

Point of reference. Soon to be 44 (later this month) Jamie Moyer just signed a two year contract with the Phillies.
They are similar types of pitcher. Neither relies on a fastball as their typical out pitch. Neither throws a slider (which puts stress on the elbow). Both feature changing speeds and control.
Two years for Glavine doesn't upset me.

It was a piece of business that Omar had to get out of the way so he could move on to improve the team in other areas.

Later

[Guest Rockin' Doc]

MFS62 - "It was a piece of business that Omar had to get out of the way so he could move on to improve the team in other areas."

I agree. I'm glad to have this taken care of so the Mets can concentrate their efforts on signing Zito or Schmidt.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Well, as of now this is still just a rumor.

It ain't "done" until it's done.

[MFS62]

Yancy Street Gang wrote: It ain't "done" until it's done.

That just proves you're no Yogi Berra.

Did you get my PM?

Later

[Willets Point]

silverdsl wrote: Considering how easy it is for these folks to charter a private plane, or even own one to shuttle them back and forth, the distance between Atlanta and New York might not be much of a concern for the Glavines.

And with Glavine's penchant for early exits he can catch a flight down to Atlanta even on nights he pitches and still not get in too late.

[MFS62]

That's cold.

Later

[duan]

from Baseball Prospectus' 1996 Annual player comments:
Tom Glavine: "One of the most cerebral players in the game. He lacks a single dominant pitch, doesn't have great control, gives up a hit an inning, doesn't hold runners on particularly well, and has always had trouble getting out left-handed hitters, a very unusual trait for a southpaw. With all that, he's been one of baseball's best starters throughout the decade.

Glavine's the kind of player who could pitch into his 40's relying on nothing more than savvy and guile. Some might argue he already is."

[nymr83]

the price for the 2nd year might be a little excessive but heck we're no small market team. the yankees have made worse deals and simply forgotten the guy existed ifhe stopped pitching well.

i like this move alot, now we can hope to make the rotation BETTER than this past year instead of just hoping to keep it at the same level.

Zito please.

[Elster88]

Rockin' Doc wrote: MFS62 - "It was a piece of business that Omar had to get out of the way so he could move on to improve the team in other areas." I agree. I'm glad to have this taken care of so the Mets can concentrate their efforts on signing Zito or Schmidt.

Me too.

[Willets Point]

duan wrote: Glavine's the kind of player who could pitch into his 40's relying on nothing more than savvy and guile. Some might argue he already is."

There are folks who argued he was already in his forties in 1996. Shit, that makes him like 50-something now!!!

[Benjamin Grimm]

Adam Rubin doing some backpedaling today.

Says Glavine still hasn't made a decision, and that he and the Mets are talking about a one-year deal with an option for a second year.

[Guest 86-Dreamer]

Anyone else think this was an odd inclusion by Rubin yesterday:

"However, one other factor has since surfaced and appears to have altered the southpaw's mindset. Glavine, who has shared a stage with John Smoltz and Greg Maddux throughout their distinguished major-league careers, would prefer not to enter the Hall of Fame in the same class as Maddux, according to a source. Maddux figures to retire after the '07 season, meaning Glavine would need to pitch through '08 to ensure they are in separate classes if both are elected on the first ballot."

Glavine has to be upset if he reads that since it makes him look childish. Have to wonder why Rubin would risk insulting someone genuinely thought of as a "good guy" over something that seems irrelevant at best.

[Guest iramets]

Don't the Mets understand that they got as far as they did into the playoffs [u:f15706090d]despite[/u:f15706090d] having an age-heavy staff, not [u:f15706090d]because[/u:f15706090d] of it? Glavine is expensive, and the money could be better spent elsewhere--Zito? Or other positions? Second base? Left field? Next year, they've got

1)Maine, who proved he deserves a full shot
2) Bannister, who pitched well until he pulled a hamstring
3) Perez, who also deserves a full shot

Plus Pedro for part of the year, Plus El Duque (don't they have him signed, or available at least, for 2007?). Plus Humber. Plus a shot at Zito or other free agents. Plus Heilman, who wants a shot at a SP role, and could have it until he shows he's a starter or Humber or some other young guy shows he's ready for a shot. Plus Davey Williams. There's worse alternatives to pressing a young guy into the 5 slot of the rotation to see what he's got. The Mets were forced to do that all last year, and look how well that worked out. They don't need Glavine, not at that price.

With their old SP, the Mets dodged a bullet, or maybe not, since the young starters came through and saved them from the bullet there at the end. (Wright sucking a big wet one in the post-season didn't help, either, I admit.) No to Glavine. If you want to waste several million dollars, Mets, you can just mail it in to me.

You know, like the Mets' offense mailed in their job in in the playoffs, like that.

[Willets Point]

Welcome iramets. With your viewpoint on Glavine et al, you will now have to convince everyone that you're not me.

[Guest Edgy DC]

iramets lives! Welcome abordick.

The funny thing is the biggest disabilitites came from the guys who were closer to middle-aged as pitchers (Zambrano and Pedro) than the geezers (Glavine and Hernandez).

There is the argument that old guys aren't more likely to get injured in any given year, but rather that they are simply more likely to have been injured, because every year sees 15% or so of the pitchers hit with a disabling injury. So a healthy 40 year-old at the start of a season, by this thinking, is no more likely to explode the ulna collateral ligament during the season than a healthy 30-year-old.

What old guys are most likely to do is lose speed and stamina. Obviously, Hernandez and Glavine have largely learned to make up for the former with guile, and the Mets prepared for the latter with a deep pen.

[soupcan]

I don't think the Mets need to save money to sign Zito. Paying Glavine for an extra year won't hamper their ability to sign Zito (assuming dollars are the only issue).

The Mets are a wealthy team. They just have to decide if they want to spend for Zito, not where they're going to get the money from.

Welcome to patona and iramets!

[Valadius]

Welcome A-Bordick iramets!