Nady for Bert and Perez - What Do YOU Think?

[metirish]

We still need a leftie of the bench,no doubt Oamr will get one on the waiver wire.

[Elster88]

smg58 wrote: Our defense is upgraded considerably by this.

Um. What?

[Gwreck]

ZI believe that refers to the fact that both Milledge and Chavez are better defensive outfielders than Nady.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

Nady wasn't a great defender. One stahead suggested Chavez so far has added as much value playing the postion defensively to make up for Nady's considerable offensive advantage, tho that assumes those levels, particularly Chavez' O, stay constant.

[Edgy MD]

But, even if you accept all that, we're just whizzing by happy assumptions about the current quality of Milledge's O and D.

I'd like to see that stathead's work.

[Elster88]

Edgy DC wrote: we're just whizzing by happy assumptions the current quality of Milledge's O and D.

That's what I was thinking.

[Zvon]

Johnny Dickshot wrote: Nady wasn't a great defender. One stahead suggested Chavez so far has added as much value playing the postion defensively to make up for Nady's considerable offensive advantage, tho that assumes those levels, particularly Chavez' O, stay constant.

I dont mind seeing what Chavez can do on an everyday basis.

And I personally absolutely think he should get that starting role for now, and Milledge should take Chavez's bench role, and see how that goes.

[Elster88]

Zvon wrote: Johnny Dickshot wrote: Nady wasn't a great defender. One stahead suggested Chavez so far has added as much value playing the postion defensively to make up for Nady's considerable offensive advantage, tho that assumes those levels, particularly Chavez' O, stay constant. I dont mind seeing what Chavez can do on an everyday basis.

Though I'd like to imagine differently, my guess is that he would return to his career norms. They always do.

[RealityChuck]

It's giving up too much for too little. Hernandez may be OK for another year, but Nady could have been set for awhile.

Also, the team now has to resign Cliff Floyd for next year.

[Elster88]

RealityChuck wrote: Also, the team now has to resign Cliff Floyd for next year.

Or someone else. Either way, I'd rather have a cheap Nady and spend the money on pitching. And I'd rather have a cheap Nady over a cheap Floyd. I'm a FloydFan, but I have to face that his body parts are fragile.

[Zvon]

RealityChuck wrote: It's giving up too much for too little. Hernandez may be OK for another year, but Nady could have been set for awhile. Also, the team now has to resign Cliff Floyd for next year.

Augggh- I hear ya.

Couldnt we have sent Woody and some minor leaguer (s)?

Or even Woody straight up for Hernandez........
Another lopsided deal that favors the Pirates, IMO, but less effect on the MLB squad.

[Edgy MD]

metirish wrote: they must think Milledge will be better

It strikes me more like a calculated risk. He might be better, might not, and Robo in the pen is worth that risk.

To them.

[metirish]

Robo was great last year but IIRC he was not that great during August, plus Sanchez could take the ball every day it seemed,it's asking a lot of Bert to replace Sanchez,it's time for Heilman to get more innings.

[Zvon]

Edgy DC wrote: metirish wrote: they must think Milledge will be better It strikes me more like a calculated risk. He might be better, might not, and Robo in the pen is worth that risk. To them.

Come on---you gotta know if Milledge went in this deal in Nadys place there would have been riots--all hell woulda broke loose.

Milledge in a deal for Oswalt or Willis, or some other top notch starting arm that could help now and for the next few years,okay. But not in this deal.

I think Nadys average numbers and sometimes awkward looking right field work made him the odd man out in Omars eyes. And because he hasnt been here all that long.
But we all know Nady popped some very big and important homers this season. Im sure my memory is biased, but as far as I recall every homer he hit was a needed shot at the time.

[Edgy MD]

Zvon wrote: Come on---you gotta know if Milledge went in this deal in Nadys place there would have been riots--all hell woulda broke loose.

I certainly didn't mean to suggest in any way that Milledge should have or could have been traded for Hernandez or any other replacement for Sanchez. The question we're speaking to is how much, if any, the Mets expect to lose in the outfield in trading Nady.

[metirish]

I thnk the mets lose nothing really in outfield defence, Nady was cool and all but Chavez plays a better RF, the question is can Milledge play a better outfield.

Coleman is on the FAN saying that Balitmore twice pulled out of a three way deal that would have sent Milledge and Heilman to Balitmore with Tejada going to houston.

[Zvon]

Edgy DC wrote: Zvon wrote: Come on---you gotta know if Milledge went in this deal in Nadys place there would have been riots--all hell woulda broke loose. I certainly didn't mean to suggest in any way that Milledge should have or could have been traded for Hernandez or any other replacement for Sanchez. The question we're speaking to is how much, if any, the Mets expect to lose in the outfield in trading Nady.

I was actually addressing metirish--tho I couldnt find the original post to see in what context that ("they must think Milledge will be better") was said.

I hear what your saying--thats exactly what this is-
a calculated risk.

[Zvon]

metirish wrote: Coleman is on the FAN saying that Balitmore twice pulled out of a three way deal that would have sent Milledge and Heilman to Balitmore with Tejada going to houston.

And we would have gotten Oswalt?

.....those bastages.

[Elster88]

Yeah Oswalt on the team would've been pretty damn cool.

[Zvon]

Elster88 wrote: Yeah Oswalt on the team would've been pretty damn cool.

the guys a freakin bulldog.

Cripes, what a day.
I expected a move or two but not car crashes and disposable kabooms.

[Gwreck]

Elster88 wrote: Yeah Oswalt on the team would've been pretty damn cool.

I wonder what Cliff Floyd would think about that.

[nymr83]

Gwreck wrote: Elster88 wrote: Yeah Oswalt on the team would've been pretty damn cool. I wonder what Cliff Floyd would think about that.

if he doesnt like it he can be part of the trade, Oswalt would be the Met ace for at least the next 5 years

[Willets Point]

No has noted how this trade further complicates Schaefer voting, adding RHernandez to AHernandez and OHernandez.

[MFS62]

Willets Point wrote: No has noted how this trade further complicates Schaefer voting, adding RHernandez to AHernandez and OHernandez.

Something tells me you might have to play thread police a lot, reminding posters to include that key first initial.
Later

[Edgy MD]

I was thinking about this while I didn't sleep last night. Has any prior Mets team included three players with the same surname?

[Benjamin Grimm]

Were there ever three Millers on the team in the same season?

I remember when the Mets got Tom Wilson, I posted a listing of most frequently used surnames in Mets history, but that's probably been zapped.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Willets Point wrote: No has noted how this trade further complicates Schaefer voting, adding RHernandez to AHernandez and OHernandez.

3:36 p.m. yesterday

[Guest GYC]

I voted I that I like the deal. I feel that the team is better with Milledge and Chavez rather than Nady. Nady is too inconsistent at the plate, and is possibly the worst defensive outfield I've ever seen play, including Manny Ramirez. I'm not impressed with Roberto Hernandez that much considering his age and WHIP, but I also feel a hell of a lot more comfortable with him pitching than I do with Heilman. Oliver Perez intrigues me; with his starts, they were either very good or very bad. According to someone's post on either MetsBlog or this Jets messageboard I go to, his main problems in his destructive starts was a lack of control (he watched a few different starts on MLB.tv after we acquired him). Plus, he is 24. I think that if he worked with Rick Peterson, he could be an above average or good starter. Maybe not the same level that he was (or so it was believed), but good nonetheless.

[Elster88]

Nady is too inconsistent at the plate, and is possibly the worst defensive outfield I've ever seen play

Have you seen Milledge play yet?

[Edgy MD]

GYC wrote: Nady is too inconsistent at the plate, and is possibly the worst defensive outfield I've ever seen play, including Manny Ramirez.

I don't buy this at all.