Trade Wagner NOW!!!!

[smg58]

Edgy DC wrote: You make changes when (a) the previous guy is pitching ineffectively, ( the previous guy has grown weary, (c) the previous guy is clearly overmatched.

Add (d) the previous guy was pinch-hit for, which didn't apply on Saturday either. I didn't see any need to take Sanchez out either, but nobody would be dwelling on it had Wagner done anything close to his usual work.

="seawolf17"]Poor Pedro Feliciano comes into a practically unsaveable save situation and is tagged with a "BS" even though that's BS and you know it.

And Wagner gets credited with a "hold." Of course it's a joke, and it's one of the things I've never understood about relief pitchers' stats. You can actually get credited with a hold and a loss at the same time! Feliciano comes within inches of being carried off on the Shea crowd's shoulders, and he's the guy who blew the save. Bizarre.

[DocTee]

]Amen. i hate taking out a pitcher who is cruising, you never so know what the next guy will have that night even if he's a better pitcher, and while i'm fine with taking out a bradford/feliciano/julio to give way to a sanchez/wagner theres no reason to take out Sanchez if he's just had an easy inning.

Agreed. But what about preservation? Lifting Petey after six innings on a wet field so he doesn't get hurt? Making sure you have your star fresh for an upcoming series by lifting him in a blowout? Having Sanchez available for back-to-back games by limiting him to one inning on Saturday?

[nymr83]

]Agreed. But what about preservation? Lifting Petey after six innings on a wet field so he doesn't get hurt? Making sure you have your star fresh for an upcoming series by lifting him in a blowout?

i was talking about relievers really

]Having Sanchez available for back-to-back games by limiting him to one inning on Saturday?

why? why not let sanchez go two on saturday if his first inning is great and then use wagner for 2 on sunday instead of (potentially) each guy getting 1 each day?

[Guest Giant Squidlike Creature]

The original Wagner Deathwatch.

[Willets Point]

Whoever started this thread back in May was on the right track.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I think Wagner's done fine.

[Benjamin Grimm]

He has, but today's not the best day to say that.

Somebody said it yesterday (or the day before) and I agreed.

And NOW look what happened!

[soupcan]

One benefit to having such a great lead in the division is that I can watch a game like last night's with my 9 year-old son, enjoy the whole game then watch the 9th inning and see Wagner give up a game winner. Instead of my son getting really upset and me throwing the remote at the wall - the two of us turn to each other and calmy say 'that sucked', turn off the TV and move on.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Just to keep my campaign for abolition of the designated closer system alive past it's due date, at the moment of the cab's impact, righthanded batters were going .179 / .275 / .226 // .501 against Duaner Sanchez.

[Elster88]

Yancy Street Gang wrote: Somebody said it yesterday (or the day before) and I agreed. And NOW look what happened!

That was me. I was just thinking about that.

[MFS62]

Does anyone think that once the season is over, we'll star seeing stories about how Wagner's finger was never fully healed?

Later

[nymr83]

Edgy DC wrote: I think Wagner's done fine.

He hasn't been 'good' or 'great' but yeah, i think 'fine' describes the job he's done. he hasn't reminded anyone of Rivera circa 1996 or Gagne circa 2004 but he also hasn't reminded me of Looper '05.

Hopefully, he'll get the job done in October. At which point nobody will care that he blew some saves in meaningless regular season games.

]Does anyone think that once the season is over, we'll star seeing stories about how Wagner's finger was never fully healed?

It is possible, but that won't change my opinion about him at all (not that I have a negative feeling to begin with.)

[Guest cleonjones11]

And were stuck with Aaron Head Case Heilman Yikes!

[Zvon]

Wags might drive me crazy here and there, but he's still gettin the job done for the most part.
Of course, it seems like he only blows the games that I really feel the Mets should win, but Im sure thats just me--cuz I feel the Mets should win em all.

I did expect more solidity from him, and 23 saves is less than I would have expected at this point, but when the dust clears after the seasons over his numbers will look just fine.
Wags is tied for the lead in one run saves this season, and thats something.