2006 Mets vs. Met History

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

Tempting fate here, but the ’06 Mets after 25 games are tied for the third-winningest 25-game start in Met history, or among the top 90some percent of all met teams ever.

I'll try to keep this updated periodically, but here are Met wins after 25 games:

20 wins
1986

19 wins
Never achieved

18 wins
1988, 1972

17 wins
1985, 2006

16 wins
1971, 1999

15 wins
1984, 1991, 1992, 2000, 2002

14 wins
1989

13 wins
1970, 1987, 1998

12 wins
1973, 1982, 1990, 1994, 2005

11 wins
1966, 1968, 1969, 1975, 1978, 1996, 1997, 2003

10 wins
1963, 1967, 1974, 1977, 1995, 2001, 2004

9 wins
1965, 1979, 1980, 1993,

8 wins
1981, 1983

7 wins
1962

6 wins
1964

[stevejrogers]

Two of those years were 100 + years, 1972 followed two straight 81 win seasons in a horrid division

[Benjamin Grimm]

That 1972 team could've done so much better. It was a better team than the one that won the pennant the following year. Now it can serve us as a cautionary tale for 2006. There's still a long way to go in this season. It's great that the Mets have jumped out to this kind of start, but we're a far way from clinching anything.

The magic number is 132.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

Several injuries derailed the '72 train, but the big one was Rusty's broken wrist. He was basically the team's best hitter that year.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Duffy Dyer did the majority of catching in 1972, and, if you believe Win Shares, was the team's MVP among non-pitchers (maybe even including pitchers, if I recall correctly, which is, of course, wrong). Did Grote lose his job through injury or poor play.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

at the 40-game mark, the 06 Mets are 5 games back from the pace of the 72ers, 86ers and 88ers. Playoff teams in italics.

Team	W	L	PCT.	GB
72 Mets	29	11	.725	--
86 Mets	29	11	.725	--
88 Mets	29	11	.725	--
71 Mets	25	15	.625	4
85 Mets	25	15	.625	4
06 Mets	24	16	.600	5
76 Mets	22	18	.550	7
82 Mets	22	18	.550	7
84 Mets	22	18	.550	7
89 Mets	22	18	.550	7
91 Mets	22	18	.550	7
92 Mets	22	18	.550	7
99 Mets	22	18	.550	7
75 Mets	21	19	.525	8
98 Mets	21	19	.525	8
02 Mets	21	19	.525	8
05 Mets	21	19	.525	8
73 Mets	20	20	.500	9
94 Mets	20	20	.500	9
97 Mets	20	20	.500	9
00 Mets	20	20	.500	9
70 Mets	19	21	.475	10
87 Mets	19	21	.475	10
90 Mets	19	21	.475	10
04 Mets	19	21	.475	10
68 Mets	18	22	.450	11
69 Mets	18	22	.450	11
74 Mets	18	22	.450	11
78 Mets	18	22	.450	11
80 Mets	18	22	.450	11
96 Mets	17	23	.425	12
03 Mets	17	23	.425	12
63 Mets	16	24	.400	13
66 Mets	16	24	.400	13
95 Mets	16	24	.400	13
65 Mets	15	25	.375	14
77 Mets	15	25	.375	14
79 Mets	15	25	.375	14
83 Mets	15	25	.375	14
01 Mets	15	25	.375	14
67 Mets	14	26	.350	15
81 Mets	14	26	.350	15
93 Mets	14	26	.350	15
62 Mets	12	28	.300	17
64 Mets	12	28	.300	17

[Frayed Knot]

The three best 40-game marks were better than our worst 40-game mark.
Wouldn'ta thunk that.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

At the 60-game mark, the Mets have fallen further off the pace from the 86ers, but so has every other team. The 06ers in the meantime have leaped over the struggling 88ers and slow-fading 71ers to become, along with 1972ers, the third-best Met team in history after 60 games.

Playoff qualifyers in bold. No time to do all the teams....

TEAM	W	L	PCT	GB	Last 10
1986 Mets	44	16	.733	--	9-1
1988 Mets	38	22	.633	6	4-6
2006 Mets	37	23	.617	7	6-4
1972 Mets	37	23	.617	7	4-6
1971 Mets	35	25	.583	9	5-5
1998 Mets	35	25	.583	9	5-5
1984 Mets	34	26	.567	10	5-5
2000 Mets	34	26	.567	10	7-3
1997 Mets	33	27	.550	11	5-5
1969 Mets	33	27	.550	11	7-3
1985 Mets	33	27	.550	11	3-7

Note: the 1973 Mets, who also qualified for the postseason, are in the middle third of the remainders at 28-32...

[Elster88]

Where's 1999?

[Frayed Knot]

Not 'mongst the best 60-game starts I would suppose.

Remember that was the year we started 27-28 before Phillips axed several of Bobby's coaches during a weekend series vs the MFY. We then won the Sunday game which started a run where we went 40-15.

So I'm guessing the 60-game mark that year was no better than 32-28

[The Big O]

Frayed Knot wrote: Not 'mongst the best 60-game starts I would suppose. Remember that was the year we started 27-28 before Phillips axed several of Bobby's coaches during a weekend series vs the MFY. We then won the Sunday game which started a run where we went 40-15. So I'm guessing the 60-game mark that year was no better than 32-28

FK's on the ball. It was 31-29: http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYM/1999_sched.shtml

[Willets Point]

Bump.

[Guest Giant Squidlike Creature]

Bump, but it's the last time.

[Frayed Knot]

OK, here's the belated comparisons for the 100 & 120 game marks:


After 100 Games:

TEAM	W	L	PCT	GB
1986 Mets	68	32	.680	--
1988 Mets	60	40	.600	8
2006 Mets	59	41	.590	9
1990 Mets	59	41	.590	9
1984 Mets	59	41	.590	9
1985 Mets	59	41	.590	9
1997 Mets	57	43	.570	11
1993 Mets	35	65	.350	33
1965 Mets	32	68	.320	36
1963 Mets	32	68	.320	36
1964 Mets	30	70	.300	38
1962 Mets	26	74	.260	42

And for the 120 Game mark:

TEAM	W	L	PCT	GB
1986 Mets	79	41	.658	--
1985 Mets	73	47	.608	6
1999 Mets	73	47	.608	6
2006 Mets	72	48	.600	7
2000 Mets	71	49	.592	8
1988 Mets	71	49	.592	8
1969 Mets	68	52	.567	11
1993 Mets	42	78	.350	37
1963 Mets	39	81	.325	40
1964 Mets	37	83	.308	42
1965 Mets	36	84	.300	43
1962 Mets	30	90	.250	49

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

Thanks. I mean to update this thing at round numbers but always remember at odd times.

By the way, today we're at a current win% that would equal exactly 100 wins at seasons end (or almost exactly, like 100.1something). And we're just four more wins from assuring a better-than 500 record.

[Diamond Dad]

the 2006 team is doing this without the kind of starting pitching that the '86 team had.

The '86 Mets starters had the following records at season's end:

Gooden -- 17-6
Ojeda -- 18-5
Darling -- 15-6
Fernandez -- 16-6
Aguillera -- 10-7

By contrast, the current 2006 Mets:

Glavine -- 12-6
Martinez - 9-5
Trachsel - 13-5
nobody else will get as many as 10 wins

[MFS62]

]nobody else will get as many as 10 wins

Orlando Hernandez has 9 wins. You don't think he will get at least one more?

Later

[Methead]

Great thread... I have no idea how I noticed it for this first time today.

[stevejrogers]

With 36 games left, the Mets have to go 22-14 to win 100 games this year

[stevejrogers]

Two more wins and this years team joins the 80 Win Season list
1969 100-62 .617 1st NLEast, NL Champs, World Champs
1970 83-79 .512 3rd NLEast
1971 83-79 .512 3rd NLEast
1972 83-73 .532 3rd NLEast
1973 82-79 .509 1st NLEast, NL Champs
1975 82-80 .506 3rd NLEast
1976 86-76 .531 3rd NLEast
1984 90-72 .556 2nd NLEast
1985 98-64 .605 2nd NLEast
1986 108-54 .667 1st NLEast, NL Champs, World Champs
1987 92-70 .568 2nd NLEast
1988 100-60 .625 1st NLEast
1989 87-75 .537 2nd NLEast
1990 91-71 .562 2nd NLEast
1997 88-74 .543 3rd NLEast
1998 88-74 .543 2nd NLEast
1999 97-66 .595 2nd NLEast, NL Wild Card
2000 94-68 .580 2nd NL East, NL Wild Card, NL Champs
2001 82-80 .506 3rd NLEast
2005 83-79 .512 3rd NLEast

Boy, the over .500 seasons tend to come in bunches for this franchise!

[stevejrogers]

Climbing the All-Time Winning Season List. Now at 14th

1986 108-54 .667 1st NLEast, NL Champs, World Champs
1969 100-62 .617 1st NLEast, NL Champs, World Champs
1988 100-60 .625 1st NLEast
1985 98-64 .605 2nd NLEast
1999 97-66 .595 2nd NLEast, NL Wild Card
2000 94-68 .580 2nd NL East, NL Wild Card, NL Champs
1987 92-70 .568 2nd NLEast
1990 91-71 .562 2nd NLEast
1984 90-72 .556 2nd NLEast
1997 88-74 .543 3rd NLEast
1998 88-74 .543 2nd NLEast
1989 87-75 .537 2nd NLEast
1976 86-76 .531 3rd NLEast
*2006 84-50 .627 1stNLEast (28 games left in the regular season)

[Guest Edgy DC]

The 1986 Mets have clinched at least a tie for the best Met record ever.

[soupcan]

'86ers are safe.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I think Keith Hernandez is secretly pleased.

In fact, I'm pretty sure he is pleased. The only thing I'm not sure of is whether he's kept it a secret or not.

[stevejrogers]

1986 108-54 .667 1st NLEast, NL Champs, World Champs
1969 100-62 .617 1st NLEast, NL Champs, World Champs
1988 100-60 .625 1st NLEast
1985 98-64 .605 2nd NLEast
1999 97-66 .595 2nd NLEast, NL Wild Card
2000 94-68 .580 2nd NL East, NL Wild Card, NL Champs
1987 92-70 .568 2nd NLEast
1990 91-71 .562 2nd NLEast
1984 90-72 .556 2nd NLEast
*2006 90-55 .621 1st NLEast (17 games left in the regular season)

Top Ten seasons in Met History are now ALL 90 or more win seasons!

[stevejrogers]

10-7 gets us to 100

Right now I'm more concerned with the 2 or 1 win that clinches the darn division, but here is the schedule the rest of the way:

9/15-9/17 at Pittsburgh
9/18-9/21 vs Flordia
9/22-9/25 vs Washington
9/26-9/28 at Atlanta
9/29-10/1 at Washington

Thursday the 14th is our only Day Off in between now and the end of the regular season. I would love to see 100, but with the lack of days off I'm thinking that Willie will be doing more experimentation for 2007 and resting players for October than actually winning after the division is finally clinched.

Granted Florida is the only SERIOUS contender left, and I'm wondering if dropping 2 to the Mets didn't take alot out of their sails. Possbility that the Braves "surge" back into the WC race by the time we get down there as well (though the way they've played against the Phils, it looks like they have started thinking about winter plans), and it won't have the same feel September in Atlanta usually does for the Mets

This should be interesting to watch though

[stevejrogers]

1986 108-54 .667 1st NLEast, NL Champs, World Champs
1969 100-62 .617 1st NLEast, NL Champs, World Champs
1988 100-60 .625 1st NLEast
1985 98-64 .605 2nd NLEast
1999 97-66 .595 2nd NLEast, NL Wild Card
2000 94-68 .580 2nd NL East, NL Wild Card, NL Champs
1987 92-70 .568 2nd NLEast
1990 91-71 .562 2nd NLEast
*2006 91-58 .611 1st NLEast (12 games left in the regular season)

Slim margin for error for the 3rd 100 win season. 11-1 gets it done. While it is mostly the Nats and Braves rest of the way, I wouldn't be surprised if starting Tuesday Willie starts doing experimentation for 2007

[Valadius]

Humber, perhaps?

[Benjamin Grimm]

The Mets will go into the playoffs with only two 10-game winners on their pitching staff, the fewest ever for a Mets team that made the postseason.

The 1969 team had only three, by the way.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

John Lackey, 2002: 18 GS, 108 IP, 3.66 ERA, 5.73 K/9, 2.74 BB/9, 0.8 HR/9
--2-0 in the postseason, inc. Game 7 of the WS

John Maine, 2005: 15 GS, 84 IP, 3.64 ERA, 7.29 K//9, 3.2 BB/9, 1.5 HR/9