IGT 4/24/06, Mets v. Giants (Glavine/Cain)

[Gwreck]

Reyes SS
LoDuca C
Delgado 1B
Wright 3B
Floyd LF
Nady RF
Matsui 2B
Chavez CF
Glavine P

Giants
Randy Winn CF
Omar Vizquel SS
Lance Niekro 1B
Barry Bonds LF
Moises Alou RF
Mike Matheny C
Pedro Feliz 3B
Jose Vizcaino 2B
Matt Cain P

[Guest cooby]

Still no beltran

[Guest Bret Sabermetric]

Cooby--are you beginning to see that as a problem here? Either a problem with communicating with Beltran (if he had told them that he felt like he would be able to play for this long, they could have DLed him), or recurrent problems getting reliable medical reports back, or cluelessness in gauging decisions like DLing or day-to-daying players? When did he first get hurt? Must be over a week ago by now.

[Guest cooby]

Well, yeah, even I'm starting to wonder.

But in a kindly way.

[Gwreck]

Beltran has played, just not in the field. He wouldn't have pinch-hit unless they thought he would be back sooner than a DL stint would take. No reason to assume lack of foresight or incompetence.

I'm sure Beltran would be playing if able. Today's his birthday. Hope Jorge doesn't go wild at the party.

[Guest mlbaseballtalk]

Will Cain be Able?

Yeah yeah, sorry just couldn't resist!

[Gwreck]

No WFAN gameday audio forces me to the Giants broadcast, where we learn through the Felipe Alou interview that Ray Durham isn't available tonight (irritated tendon in left hamstring).

[Guest Bret Sabermetric]

Gwreck wrote: Beltran has played, just not in the field. He wouldn't have pinch-hit unless they thought he would be back sooner than a DL stint would take. No reason to assume lack of foresight or incompetence. I'm sure Beltran would be playing if able. Today's his birthday. Hope Jorge doesn't go wild at the party.

Well, yes. But if he hadn't pinch hit, and he was hurt worse than they thought, they might have decided to retro him onto the DL. Seems to me they may effectively lose him for two weeks without getting a replacement, like Diaz (who himself is DLed, I know, but after going to Norfolk). Any time a player misses a week, you're probably better off DLing him, don;t you think?. Would you rather have a week of Beltran, or two weeks of Diaz (or better yet, Milledge)?

[nymr83]

I sense a quiet IGT tonight.
Nady got a late break on what became a Vizquel single and Howie Rose says he was scared that Matsui wouldn't stop running towards him making him pull up short. You gotta call Matsui off Nady!
Floyd makes a warning track catch.
Bonds up with Vizquel on 1B.

[Gwreck]

There'd be no Milledge, no way. Let him play half a season at triple A before we get to the idea of calling him up. It's not unnecessary delay -- it's just common sense.

As for Diaz, I can see the point, but what's not figured into that equation is, of course, that you'd have Nady in center and Diaz in right. I wonder how many runs that defense might cost us?

[Gwreck]

Bonds is hitting .229...the intentional walk here is stupid.

[nymr83]

Glavine walks bonds, thats lame, for Bonds to beat you he has to homer, now that you've pushed Vizquel to 2b it only takes a single to score a 2-out run.

[Guest abogdan]

Or a homer by Alou to score three of them.

[nymr83]

Alou crushes one and the Mets get what they deserve for an ill-advised intentional walk.
Kaboom, you wusses.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

Didn't take long to start playing like shit in this game.

[Guest mlbaseballtalk]

ARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH

THATS what happens when you WALK a guy who is slumping!

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

It's what happens when you let a pop fly drop in front of an outfielder THEN wuss out and walk a guy.

Valentine almost never walked Bonds.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Oh, I'd say playing like shit doesn't compare to strategizing like shit.

[Gwreck]

I can see a problem with grooving a 1-2 fastball to Alou, and that being Glavine's fault, but still, no more intentional walks. He has **1** homer all year. When he's hitting, maybe then we can start walking him again. I'm pissed.

[Guest mlbaseballtalk]

Edgy DC wrote: Oh, I'd say playing like shit doesn't compare to strategizing like shit.

Good point

[DocTee]

Giants announcer Mike Krukow just commented on Beltran's absence: "The Mets don't expect him to play this series." True?

[Guest abogdan]

True. In the pre-game on the FAN, Howie said Willie said he's only use Beltran in a situation where they needed a big hit and he could pinch hit, but not need to run much - bases loaded, late in the game w/2 outs, etc. He should have been DL'ed a week ago.

Glavine's settled down since Alou's homer. 7 in a row. Still 3-0 SanFran.

[nymr83]

the offense has been slumping bigtime without Beltran, it might just be coincidemce but he really helps spark the lineup since the guys in front of him arent going to get on base enough

[Guest abogdan]

Howie also said they'd reevaluate Carlos on Friday before the Atlanta series and see if they need to make a move then. Howie said that conversation was the first time Willie has discussed the possibility of bringing up Milledge. He also said Omar didn't sound too excited about the idea since he'd need to make an additional roster move first to get Milledge on the 40-man. Wouldn't want to see someone claim Jose Valentin on waivers.

[nymr83]

]Wouldn't want to see someone claim Jose Valentin on waivers.

perish the thought...

[Gwreck]

abogdan wrote: Wouldn't want to see someone claim Jose Valentin on waivers.

Oh, the horror if that were to happen.




SC= Off the Charts

[Guest Edgy DC]

See, Bonds is a human.

[Gwreck]

See? Not hard to retire Barry. Try it sometime.

[TransMonk]

They did.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Cain. Stop this.