AP MFY IGT - 2006

[metirish]

Are we to really believe that A-Rod seeks Jeter's approvel or a kind word at the least?, if anything like that is true then A-Rod is pathetic.

[MFS62]

metirish wrote: Are we to really believe that A-Rod seeks Jeter's approvel or a kind word at the least?, if anything like that is true then A-Rod is pathetic.

I don't think he expects it, but isn't supporting your teammate is rough times part of what a captain is supposed to do?

Later

[metirish]

Jeter's a wanker and a bollox but I just don't see how a public show of support would help poor Alex...hey maybe we should ask Jeter to go to the Middle East to solve that mess.

[Frayed Knot]

]ESPN has close and late stats going back to 2002. From 2002 to present, A-Rod is 97 for 379 in the clutch. Jeter is 90 for 351.

Yeah but much of that production from ARod didn't happen as a Yanqui - and we all know that NYY clutch hits are different than clutch hits in Texas.
Geez CF I didn't think you were that stupid!



On BB2N (Sun night) both Phillips & Harold Reynolds were backing the 'They Gotta Trade ARod' angle, arguing that he's lost it and it's clear that he'll never get it back!!!! It's like no one else has ever had a slump before - including Jeter if you recall, a slump big enough to land him on the cover of SI.
You know it's getting bad when John Kruk becomes the voice of reason on that show.

[MFS62]

Squelching the urge to post a Condi Rice comment.

Later

[Willets Point]

MFS62 wrote: Squelching the urge to post a Condi Rice comment. Later

Damn Adkins diet. Makes you squelch your urge for rice.

[Guest silverdsl]

MFS62 wrote: ="metirish"]Are we to really believe that A-Rod seeks Jeter's approvel or a kind word at the least?, if anything like that is true then A-Rod is pathetic. I don't think he expects it, but isn't supporting your teammate is rough times part of what a captain is supposed to do? Later

Yes, it is. There are ways that Jeter can show his support for A-Rod, like he has for Chuck Knoblauch, Giambi, Darryl Strawberry, and other players, without making A-Rod seem like a wuss. Mike Mussina and Mariano Rivera haven't hesitated to not only support A-Rod and talk about his value to the team, but address the boo'ing directly as well. If they can do it, then Jeter can too. And, imo, as team captain he should, regardless of what his personal feelings about A-Rod might be.

We never really know what the players are like as people behind closed doors, but I believe in Buster Olney's book a few years ago he indicated that Jeter holds grudges big-time and once someone is on the outs with him, he's cold as ice towards them. It's things like this that makes me think there is some truth to that.

[metirish]

] but I believe in Buster Olney's book a few years ago he indicated that Jeter holds grudges big-time and once someone is on the outs with him, he's cold as ice towards them. It's things like this that makes me think there is some truth to that.

That's one of the many intangibles that makes Jeter a total wanker.

[Guest Edgy DC]

A perfectly good model comes from Cliff Floyd back in the Mets 2006 opening series:

"I want people to know that when they boo Carlos, they're booing David Wright, they're booing me," said Cliff Floyd. "We're in this together. No one is thinking, 'Damn, I'm glad it's him and not me.' We all wear the same uniform in here."

A little mathematical guesswork coming up. Derek Jeter has twice the moral authority with Yankee fans and Cliff had at the time with Met fans. Probably more than that. In sticking his neck out a little bit for his teammate --- a teammate who they're going to need the best from to win --- he would be risking about 1/20th of what Floyd had to lose. DJ should stop hoarding all that moral authority and lend a little to his teammate.

[Frayed Knot]

Yanx DFA backup catcher Kelly Stinnett and trade some minor league scrub to Philly for their recently DFA'd backup Sal Fasano.
So the "Sal's Pals" group in Philly loses their hero and Sal loses the longer parts of his 'stache.





Meanwhile they're in the 9th in Texas as the Rangers are doing the usual by finding new and interesting ways to lose to the Yanx.
- They led 4-2 much of the game until giving up 4 in the 8th
- They then beat on MFY relievers Bean & Proctor to not only score 3 times but also have the bags loaded and still just 1 out
- In comes Chacon who promptly snares a comebacker into a DP. It really didn't matter where he threw it since all 3 runners were about 25 feet off their respective bases.
- So with only a 1-run lead into the 9th, Osutka immediately gives up a single & HR (Jeter, Giambi) in the first 3 or 4 pitches of the 9th
- And Mariano closes it out, the Rangers truly suck, and the Yanx are now in the Wild Card lead by 1/2 game over the [u:d5efe51e17]now tied[/u:d5efe51e17] ChiSox & Twinkies

[Elster88]

Damon
Jeter
Rodriguez
Giambi (1B)
Abreu (RF)
Sheffield (DH)
Matsui
Posada
Cano

Un-fricken-believable. At least their pitching sucks, so they won't win a playoff series. Assuming they play one.

[Elster88]

Cashman is making Mad Dog look like a fool right now. It's highly enjoyable.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

="Elster88"]Cashman is making Mad Dog look like a fool right now. It's highly enjoyable.

Wow! How'd he manage that?

[metirish]

Ok IO have been hearing all day how Abreu is not that great in the outfield, all these callers to the FAN and a reporter from Philly claim he's afraid of the wall as soon as he hits the warning track..they point to a few Mets games...I don't remember anything like that.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I do.

It doesn't make it any more than anecdotal, but I do. My eyeball scouting report also lists him as a pretty reckless thrower.

All of which, even if I could establish that they were real traits and not merely my impressions, would only diminish his sex appeal to me by about 2.9%.

[metirish]

David Ortiz with a 3 run homer in the 9th to beat the Indians...he's fuckin sick.

[Willets Point]

Smell like Derek Jeter!

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

Ewwwww!!!!!!!!!!!

[Guest Edgy DC]

How can they not call it "Intangibles"? I'm so disappointed.

[stevejrogers]

Anniversary of Thurman Munson's passing












OE: Removed rather tasteless and unfunny joke I made

[Guest Edgy DC]

Steve, nobody is going to flame you for acknowledging a dead guy.

Please stop playing the martyr.

[stevejrogers]

I know Edgy, I was going for the funny.

And I'm just realizing the rather tasteless nature of the thing I said I was ducking

(hangs head in own stupidity)

[Willets Point]

Steve you may wish to try the Preview feature. Make your post. Take a look at it. Read it and see if it's really what you want to say. Think of the possible consequences of your words. Edit if necessary, delete if the post is just not right.

Just a suggestion since you've had a lot of posts lately you've regretted after the fact.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Two cool things about Munson

1) He made only one error in 1971. Supposedly it happened when the ball was dislodged from his mitt after a runner knocked him unconscious.

2) Despite that, he was supposedly the last catcher to play without a helmet. I'm actually not sure if this is true because I remember Jerry Grote claiming he never wore a helmet and he came out of retirement and played until 1981.

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

I got Munson's autograph when I was ten he was appearing at the baseball camp run by the town of Smithtown. I handed him an index card and he started to write on the lined side instead of the blank side. I asked him to sign the blank side and he sneered at me and signed the lined side.

Jerk.

[seawolf17]

Yancy- you went to the Smithtown baseball camp?!? Me too, in the mid-80s. Met Craig Biggio when he was a coach there (pre-major league days).

[Guest Yancy Street Gang]

I was there once. I think I was ten, which would have made it 1973. (But maybe I was a little bit older. I'm really not sure.) As I remember it it was two weeks, took place at Smithtown East, and was run by the school district's gym teachers.

Thurman Munson was our one celebrity guest. Most of the kids were Mets fans. (Yankee fans were few and far between on Long Island back then.) It would have been so much cooler if they had been able to get a Met. I guess the Yankees were probably the team that had the homestand during the days the camp was running.

[Willets Point]

Munson always reminds me of the W.P. Kinsella story "The Night Manny Mota Tied the Record" about how certain people can trade their lives in to let famous people live. Cool story, creepy idea.

[seawolf17]

Yancy Street Gang wrote: I was there once. I think I was ten, which would have made it 1973. (But maybe I was a little bit older. I'm really not sure.) As I remember it it was two weeks, took place at Smithtown East, and was run by the school district's gym teachers. Thurman Munson was our one celebrity guest. Most of the kids were Mets fans. (Yankee fans were few and far between on Long Island back then.) It would have been so much cooler if they had been able to get a Met. I guess the Yankees were probably the team that had the homestand during the days the camp was running.

That's the one. They had Tony Bernazard one year (!?!), Terry Leach and Vern Hoscheit another year. Biggio coached there, although he never coached me directly.

[metirish]

Rookie pitcher Adam Loewen and two relief pitchers one hit the MFY's at Camden yards, O's beat then 5 to zip.