mets get delgado (apparently)

[metsmarathon]

according to Newsday, and reported on ESPN Radio this morning, the mets get carlos delgado and $7M for petit and jacobs.

overall, i'm pretty pleased with the deal. i think it also could hasten a billy wagner signing, which, for 3yr / $30M, i'm not wholly dissasitfied.

[seawolf17]

!!!

[metirish]

WOW...do we now apparently have an unhappy first baseman?

[Elster88]

Wow indeed. That happened fast. I'm sorry to see Jacobs go, but I am getting to be pretty firmly entrenched in the TITTS point of view. It would've been nice to see if he could catch.
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[Guest sharpie]

That means we've got to sign a catcher as the Jacobs option no longer is in play. Also means that Xavier Nady plays right. Also means that we prolly won't be in the Manny hunt.

Interesting.

Certainly a good cleanup hitter. In the short term, a big improvement. We don't know about Petit and Jacobs in the long run.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Not on this one, but it's easy to see thier thinking. Both Petit and Jake are believed in some circles to be outplaying their abilities.

But I want to see more Mets blossom. I do.

It's rare that a team actually announces their fire sales. I guess the Mets had to act fast. Now the next act is Delgado double-talking his way out of the closest-to-winning-a-pennant" and Omar-thought-I'd-sign-'cuz-he-spoke-Spanish comments.

A strange game, this base ball.

[Elster88]

sharpie wrote: Also means that we prolly won't be in the Manny hunt.

I don't know why not. Delgado came relatively cheaply if the Marlins are taking seven million of the top.

]Now the next act is Delgado double-talking his way out of the closest-to-winning-a-pennant" and Omar-thought-I'd-sign-'cuz-he-spoke-Spanish comments.

That's easy:
"I thought the Marlins were in the best place to win last year. Obviously, now that they are reducing payroll, that is no longer true. I'm happy to be a New York Met and put on the royal blue pinstripes and all the history that comes with that."
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[Guest HappyRecap]

This is a bad deal. Giving up on a 25 year old 1B who hit .310 with power in his first year for a guy who didn't want to come to NY last year?

And who knows how Petit will turn out.

Omar blew this one big time.

[Benjamin Grimm]

If getting Delgado makes Manny Ramirez less likely, then it also means that keeping Lastings Milledge is more likely.

I'm okay with giving up Petit if a byproduct of that is keeping Milledge.

Of course, getting Delgado isn't too shabby either. When I first saw this topic title I thought it was a red herring, that the Mets had reacquired Wilson Delgado.

[Elster88]

HappyRecap wrote: This is a bad deal. Giving up on a 25 year old 1B who hit .310 with power in his first year for a guy who didn't want to come to NY last year? And who knows how Petit will turn out. Omar blew this one big time.

I'm getting more and more convinced that this is Bret Q in disguise.

So the only knock on Delgado is that he didn't want to play in New York last year? I'll take it.

Who knows how Petit will turn out? Um, that's why they're trading him.

I like Jacobs too, but two months does not a career make.

I love arguing. Posts like this make it easy.
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[Guest HappyRecap]

but this guy is now 33 going on 34 and Shea is not a hitters ballpark. As his numbers decline he'll start complaining and then we have a malcontent playing on the team who is making a ton of cash.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Shea isn't a hitter's ballpark for Jacobs, either. And you need hitters, wherever you play your home games.

[Elster88]

Yancy Street Gang wrote: When I first saw this topic title I thought it was a red herring, that the Mets had reacquired Wilson Delgado.

That was my first thought too, but if he was trying to trick us he wouldn't have added (apparently) to the thread title.
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[MFS62]

HappyRecap wrote: Shea is not a hitters ballpark.

Um, nope.
That's one of the things you hear often, but are not quite true.

The last couple of years, Shea has been playing as an almost hitters neutral ballpark - overall (I think it was something like a .99, with average being 1.00).
But that is on average.
For lefty hitters, its had recently been a +1.20, because of the prevailing winds toward right field. The reason this hasn't been so obvious is because the Mets recently had a lefty power hitter to take advantage of it.

Carlos should do just fine in Shea.

Later

[Guest ABG]

HappyRecap wrote: but this guy is now 33 going on 34 and Shea is not a hitters ballpark. As his numbers decline he'll start complaining and then we have a malcontent playing on the team who is making a ton of cash.

Interesting. While you're in the habit of predicting the behavior of those you've never met, can you tell me how my girlfriend will react in various situations throughout the next three years? That'd be more helpful.

On balance, I like this deal. To me, Jacobs had Jason Phillips written all over him. And I never really knew what to make of Petit. I thought heading into the offseason that our priorities were 1) Big bat for 1b and 1a) Closer. It appears we're on the right track on both fronts, so consider me happy.

[smg58]

I'd have figured that any deal for Delgado would have to include Jacobs, to be honest. My first problem is money. At best, we're paying the same per year that we offered Delgado in the first place, only with one less year and costing us Jacobs and Petit in addition. I also can't see why we couldn't have haggled down Petit to Trachsel and Bannister. If this is true, I wish Petit and Jacobs well, but not so well that we regret this quickly.

[Guest HappyRecap]

Was a guy who golfed some balls out of the park on low and inside fastballs.
I think he had 4 dingers in his first 4 games.

Then they started busting him inside, he slumped a little but the started shortening his swing and his average came back up.

Then he started getting worked outside and I saw some pitches taken to LF.

The net result was that his average got back over .300 and he looked to have a ton of potential. He had 11 HRs in his 100 ABs and that was enough for me to like to see him in Shea next year.

Of course, that many homers in those few at-bats has shades of Benny Agbayani written all over it but anyone who watched him saw a lot of upside in Jacobs.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Well, the Mets tried to get Delgado last year and couldn't. The past is past! Hakuna Matata! He'll help them in 2006, and that's more important right now.

I'm not too hung up over the money. The Mets are a wealthy team, and they can afford to carry a few overpriced contracts. Remember, even as they're adding Delgados and Beltrans, they've dropped a Piazza, and they only have one more year of Glavine. As some big contracts rotate in, others will rotate out.

[Guest HappyRecap]

in three years of dating your girlfriend you'll get older and fall into a routine and at the end of three years you won't be the same person.

this guy will get older and slower and his production will go down (I didn't think it would be fare to comment on your production over the next few years)

As was just pointed out by a friend of mine, Delgado will save a lot of energy when he doesn't stand for the National Anthem so perhaps he will be fresher later in the season.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Newsday's poll:

What do you think of the Mets' trade for Carlos Delgado?

31.4%
I love it, Delgado is a great player! (472 responses)

28.2%
I like it, but I'm not ecstatic (424 responses)

11.9%
It's OK. We'll see how he does (179 responses)

17.7%
I don't like it. The Mets gave up too much (267 responses)

10.8%
I don't like Delgado period (163 responses)

1505 total responses

[Guest Edgy DC]

Delgado does stand for the National Anthem, last I checked.

]in three years of dating your girlfriend you'll get older and fall into a routine and at the end of three years you won't be the same person.

You've got a point here.

[metsmarathon]

="HappyRecap"]but this guy is now 33 going on 34 and Shea is not a hitters ballpark. As his numbers decline he'll start complaining and then we have a malcontent playing on the team who is making a ton of cash.

florida
2003 Park Factor: Batting - 94/Pitching - 94 (over 100 favors batters)
2004 Park Factor: Batting - 95/Pitching - 95 (over 100 favors batters)
2005 Park Factor: Batting - 94/Pitching - 95 (over 100 favors batters)

shea
2003 Park Factor: Batting - 99/Pitching - 99 (over 100 favors batters)
2004 Park Factor: Batting - 99/Pitching - 99 (over 100 favors batters)
2005 Park Factor: Batting - 99/Pitching - 99 (over 100 favors batters)

i don't really think that pro player was helping boost his numbers all that much last year. (three year park factors provided to show non-flukiness of 2005 park factor)

delgado was an MVP candidate last year, and is easily one of the top 10 hitters in the NL. our lineup is tremendously improved now as compared to yesterday. if you really want to poopoo this deal, then please first consider how much better a team we would have been last year with delgado in the fold, and project that glow forward onto this season.

[Guest Edgy DC]

]1505 total responses

Who are these people?

[metirish]

I am thrilled with this trade, I don't see any negative to it yet, I'm curious to hear what Delgado has to say.

[Elster88]

They tried to get Delgado last year and failed. According to one angry poster, this was proof that they weren't going the extra mile after going all out on contracts for Pedro and Beltran. I wonder what that poster would have to say today? He's probably too busy jumping for joy over the Beckett trade.
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[Guest OlerudOwned]

It's unfortunate to see someone as easy to like as Jacobs go so fast, and for Petit to never get him Met's debut, but Wright-Delgado-Floyd is a KILLER 3-4-5 if they smarten up and bat Beltran 2.

[Benjamin Grimm]

="Edgy DC"] ]1505 total responses Who are these people?

I'll start working on assembling a list.

Give me a couple hours.

[metirish]

And the Mets should bring you back John to spell Delgado at first..

[Guest Edgy DC]

It's funny the scoops I get and don't get.

metsmarathon: "Hey, the Mets just got Ken Griffey, Jr.!"

Edgy DC: "Hey, Tucker Ashford just opened a candy shop!"

[Elster88]

smg58 wrote: My first problem is money. At best, we're paying the same per year that we offered Delgado in the first place

Minus seven million of course.
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