WE WANT BOBBY V

[Guest cooby]

Bret Sabermetric wrote: ="Elster88"]I just don't like your avatar. Okey-dokey. You know how this horrible image came to appear on this forum, of course? KC posted it to make fun of my supposedly whining tone (again, not addressing my point, but just manufacturing an image of me that made my point irrelevant), and nobody said boo. After I adopted it, then it became offensive and objectionable. Them's the plain facts. KC can do whatever he chooses to my avatar, or to me for that matter.

Exactly when did Christ whine?
(though I'm sure you can figure out a way to depict it that way)

[Benjamin Grimm]

I think Jesus changed water into whine.

[Guest Bret Sabermetric]

Seems to me you've got a complaint with KC for posting the image in the first place. If it was acceptable in order to make fun of me, then I think it's acceptable (to me) in order to make fun of him.

Or maybe you want to make me into some kind of long-suffering martyr or something, you know, taking shit but never getting to dish any out? Nah, nobody thinks that's really fair, least of all, Mr. Fairness himself.

I don't really get how KC gets to appoint himself the arbitor of what's fair and not fair, anyway. When he complained, somewhat cryptically last week, that my posts somehow argue "unfairly," I think he meant that I tend to remember what I wrote, and what other people wrote, and I remind people of those two things. If that's unfair, I plead guilty. Otherwise, not.

[Guest Bret Sabermetric]

cooby wrote: Exactly when did Christ whine? (though I'm sure you can figure out a way to depict it that way)

I didn't say that Christ whined. I said that KC posted it to make fun of my supposed whining. So I guess you'll have to ask KC.

As if.

[Elster88]

Bret Sabermetric wrote: Seems to me you've got a complaint with KC for posting the image in the first place. If it was acceptable in order to make fun of me, then I think it's acceptable (to me) in order to make fun of him. Or maybe you want to make me into some kind of long-suffering martyr or something, you know, taking shit but never getting to dish any out? Nah, nobody thinks that's really fair, least of all, Mr. Fairness himself.

Like I said, though you are choosing to ignore: That picture is everywhere now, on all of your posts, whereas the original is nowhere to be found.

The reason I didn't complain in the first place in the original post is because I knew where it was, and I didn't have to go look at it if I didn't want to (and I continued to read that thread anyway). This is obviously not true anymore.

To me your whole argument is stupid. "KC posted it so I can too. See, since you didn't complain the first time it's too late now."

[Vic Sage]

hi bret

try saying something about baseball.

if people are rude to you in response, call them on it and MOVE ON.
But, as you well know, we're constantly rude to each other here, so why can't you just ignore it and continue along in whatever tone you wish?

the "martyr" thing is about your constant whining about how people here treat you. if you'd keep it about baseball, at least the rudeness would be about your opinions, not about you.

suck it up and give me more reasons why WWSB sucks, from the vantage point of a devout Red Sox fan.

oh, and i like the picture, by the way.
But that's just me.

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

There are two separate issues here.

Kase used the image once. You say it was to make fun of you. I'm sure he would say it was an attempt at humor. Whether the joke was offensive or not, it was a one time deal.

OTOH, you've adopted the image as your avatar. Over time, many posters have specifically told you that they find the image upsetting and/or offensive. Yet you continue to use it. At the same time, you complain that you're not being taken seriously. But continuing to use that image, along with your tendency to hyperbole and exaggeration (others might say it's to make fun of them. I'm sure you would say it's an attempt at humor....) make it difficult to take your posts seriously.

[metsmarathon]

if you don't believe in jesus, then the picture disappears. its pretty amazing, in fact. y'all should try it! if it doesnt work, just believe harder.

its a nasty tradeoff for going to hell i guess, but then, if you dont believe in him anymore, tehn you prolly dont believe you can be sent to hell for not blelieving in him, so then it works out afterall.

[Guest KC]

I don't find the avatar all that annoying either. I referred to it's size once and
Bret of course thought I was singling him out even though I pm'd a few people
weeks before (spaceman's bong for sure) and I just never followed through
with the downsizing campaign.

Images can be blocked in most browsers from particular url's if they are really
offensive. If anyone needs help doing that please pm my your browser type and
version and I'll try to send you the steps.

Thanks for everyone's patience.

[Guest Bret Sabermetric]

Vic Sage wrote: hi bret try saying something about baseball.

Hi, Norrin.

Fuck you.

I tried saying things about baseball IN THIS THREAD (see my first post at Sun Sep 04, 2005 10:07 am ) then dared to comment that Edgy's remark about rudeness was in itself far ruder than DocTee's, to which KC responded, not by defending Edgy's point, but by characterizing me irrelevantly as carrying a cross "that just gets bigger everyday and must be difficult to bear." What the fuck did that have to do with anything? I can't criticize Edgy's post on its merits (or lack thereof) because I have in KC's view made a martyr out of myself elsewhere? What fucking planet am I on, anyway?

Despite my further efforts to talk baseball IN THIS THREAD (see my post at Mon Sep 05, 2005 9:33 pm) , KC kept returning to the so-called issue of my supposed martyrdom. I'll give you a clue, for free: if you're tired of hearing about something, don't keep bringing it up yourself. if you think other people (i.e., me) are bringing it up all the time, ignore the martyr's self-pitying remarks and they'll usually wither away all by themselves. Just shake your head, and muttter' That poor deluded fool, feeling all sorry for himself" (I do it all the time for dealing with hardcore Mets fans, and I tell you, it really works). But KC's playing to the crowd here, and it's a loud home crowd, so he could accuse me of being a pedagogic thespian at this point, and old ABG and other suckups will just go "Yeah, right on, KC. Give it to him, whatever you just said."

And if I wasn't clear enough before, go fuck yourself. And have a nice day.

[Zvon]

Bret, your use of the avatar is very easily explained. Tell em......
your being spiteful.
Someone pulled a good one on you (I bet it was funny, but I wasnt around then) and in turn you will throw it back in their face every post and dare them to assault your rights of speech and representation.

Personally i dont care. If someone has , say, a swatztika avatar, I note it, and am glad for the forewarning that I am dealing with an asshole.

After hearing the story behind your pic, I am glad for the forewarning that I am dealing with a spiteful and somewhat bitter person.

Its ashame tho.

Your funny, your smart, you have a brilliant way with words, yet you use your talents for the dark side of the force. Im not adverse to your opinions, on Mets managment or the state of the team. I agree with some of what you say. But the rancidness with which sometimes go after individuals with negativity also forwarns me that you have a problem that goes beyond your dislike of just the National League Metropolitan Baseball Club. Or maybe this IS the way you show the love. I dunno.

Some here have hit the nail on the head. You would love to play the martyr, you would wear getting banned from this place like a medal on your chest. ( Ive run message boards. Ive dealt with your type before. Every board has at least one. For the life of me, i dunno why. Guess its a personality trait issue, where thats just what one is happy doing)
Edge is wise enough to see this and you can stomp and whine and jump up and down and assault everyones senses. But It aint gonna happen.
Not that way, in any case. Maybe you get run off using the same ammo you use to try and create discourse among a group of people who have been brought together by one thing in common, their baseball team.

Maybe we run you off using words.

I hope not tho. I like your side of the empty glass. I think every place needs a yang to the ying. If you want to just focus on individual battles with other personalities, Ill just gloss over those posts, and wait til you say something relevant about the team, which you do from time to time.
It may be all negative, but its about the team, and Ill respect that.

Its a shame that someone who could make this place shine a lil brighter
with his wit and wisdom chooses to butt heads for the sake of it.

[Guest KC]

Lol, what did you and Norrin have lunch today?

[Guest KC]

>>>But the rancidness with which sometimes go after individuals with negativity also forwarns me that you have a problem that goes beyond your dislike of just the National League Metropolitan Baseball Club.<<<

He's being nice to me by some measures.

[Zvon]

wheaties.

did anybody read about the scene on the mound with Willie and Trachsel before the Chipper blast? I dont wanna get into it now, i wanna read the game, but i will.

[Elster88]

KC wrote: I don't find the avatar all that annoying either. I referred to it's size once and Bret of course thought I was singling him out even though I pm'd a few people weeks before (spaceman's bong for sure) and I just never followed through with the downsizing campaign. Images can be blocked in most browsers from particular url's if they are really offensive. If anyone needs help doing that please pm my your browser type and version and I'll try to send you the steps. Thanks for everyone's patience.

Thanks for the info. I didn't realize it was the easy. If I had that big a problem with Sal's avatar that I should have asked if it was possible to do this before bothering Sal.

[Guest cooby]

FOR ZVON




September cooby award. Sixth of the month, a new record

[Vic Sage]

]Hi, Norrin. Fuck you.

See? I don't let that bother ME.

]I tried saying things about baseball IN THIS THREAD ...

lets see. Here is a list of your posts in this thread about Bobby V and WWSB:

Sunday 9/4
1) 10:07am - a baseball-related post (and a good one!)
2) 11:44am - you attack the tone of Edgy's schoolmarmish post to DocTee ... not the "content", but the TONE of a post that was not addressed to you at all.
3) 2:45pm - you continue to attack Edgy. Edgy remains, as usual, unresponsive to your baiting.

Monday 9/5
4) 5:26pm - non-baseball related posts continue, this time expanding your target from Edgy to include KC too
5) 7:17pm - and it continues..
6) 9:33pm -- finally, another BB related post! (that's 2 out of 6, so far)

Tuesday 9/6
7) 5:36am - you wake up extra early to make another BB-related post
8) 11:55am - but then you digress...
9) 2:03pm - and yet again ... (in this, your 6th non-BB related post out of 9 so far, you state without irony that "all i ever wanted to do around here was talk baseball")
10) 2:15pm - and again...
11) 2:16pm - and again...
12) 2:25pm - and again...
13) 2:29pm - and again...
14) 6:50pm - So, after 13 posts with only 3 related to baseball and the other 10 either attacking or defending against your "tormentors", after i suggest you try sticking to baseball and stop whining, you then turn to me.

So, thats 3 baseball posts out of 14 so far in this thread. Yes, i could gloss over your "woe is me"s but then i'd be ignoring you so much, i'd be dealing with you as Edgy does... pretending you don't even exist.

I'm not Edgy. And i'm not KC, who appears to be barely able to tolerate your continued existance on the planet. I actually LIKE you. So i suggested you stop reacting to every perceived or even ACTUAL slight, and stick to baseball, and ultimately all this ad hominem stuff would fade away.

your response?

] And if I wasn't clear enough before, go fuck yourself. And have a nice day

I do intend to have a nice day. And the same good wishes unto you, my belicose brother.

[Guest KC]

Nah, I like him ... so does KB.

It's kind of tough sometime though. I can't find it, but sometime a few days
ago I congratulated him on a promortion and even that got thrown back in
my face. One big happy disfunctional family this CPF is.

[Guest Bret Sabermetric]

KC wrote:
"Nah, I like him ... so does KB.

It's kind of tough sometime though. I can't find it, but sometime a few days
ago I congratulated him on a promortion and even that got thrown back in
my face. One big happy disfunctional family this CPF is."

This is throwing it back in your face? How so?
http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?t=1149&start=20

I like KC too, though if he can't be in the same room as me, I'll have to start liking him from the next room.

Liking all of yuz-- which I do -- has very little to do with your collective and remarkable intolerence for accepting my (sometimes radically) different opinions from most of you.

You can't stop offering your views on how much good shutting up would do me, or why you attribute my views on baseball to being dropped on my head frequently as a young child, or why you consider them invalid because I'm not sufficiently loyal to the team? Well, as was said of the tiger--"he is a vicious brute who dares defend himself when attacked." If you stick to arguing baseball, I'll continue being civil and friendly. If you start posting gigantic photos of the suffering Son of God to express your contempt for me, I might downsize that image and adopt it as my avatar. Again, if your position is "You can't do that," then mine becomes "Fuck you." You don't want hostility coming from me? Try giving me a little less. It's easy.

Has nothing to do with liking you, or you liking me. Strange as it may seem, I still have a lot of affection and respect for a certain Washington-based editor, though I consider his on-line emanation to be a bit of a jerk.


*with the possible exception of Bart, who keeps interjecting himself into the discussion without contributing anything

[Guest KC]

I guess what I should have said was, "I don't think we should be in the same
room right now". You irritate me no end sometimes, and I really didn't want
to bump this up another level. I can be a terribly nasty person if pushed. The
downright ugliness is not something I want to display here.

I huffed off and stuffed a couple of Whoppers down my pie hole and came back
feeling better.

[Vic Sage]

3 out of 15, and counting.