Theoldmole Old-Timey Member Posted August 8, 2005 Posted August 8, 2005 Marty Noble: Who is the best left fielder in the Mets' history? -- Ben T., Conshohocken, Pa.How do you judge that? Bernard Gilkey's 1996 season, when he drove in a club-record 117 runs, is the best single season by a Mets left fielder and as good a season as any Met -- other than Hernandez, Darryl Strawberry, Piazza, Howard Johnson, Gary Carter, Rusty Staub and Robin Ventura -- has had.But Gilkey never came close to duplicating it. Cleon Jones was an integral component in the Mets' World Series championship in 1969 and their pennant in 1973. But his best season didn't come close to Gilkey's.Have a question about the Mets?Marty NobleE-mail your query to MLB.com Mets beat writer Marty Noble for possible inclusion in a future mailbag column. Letters may be edited for brevity, length and/or content.First Name, Last Initial: Hometown:Email Address:Question:Dave Kingman didn't play enough left field -- he played first base and right field, as well, in his two tours with the Mets. So he doesn't qualify.George Foster never did for the Mets what he had done for the Reds, any more than Vince Coleman's impact with the Mets even approached what Coleman had done with the Cardinals. And left field was not a one-man position for the Mets teams that prospered in 1998-2000, with Rickey Henderson and Benny Agbayani manning the position.Floyd is in the midst of a special season, it's similar to Gilkey's '96. And Steve Henderson was a solid but unspectacular player for the Mets from 1977-1981.My vote goes to Kevin McReynolds, the left fielder from 1987 through 1991. He was the best defensive outfielder in club history until Mike Cameron. And he was a productive hitter. I voted for him as the National League MVP in 1990.
Willets Point Old-Timey Member Posted August 8, 2005 Posted August 8, 2005 Wait until Vic Sage reads this!Tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, .....
Guest Edgy DC Guests Posted August 8, 2005 Posted August 8, 2005 All-time rankings say Cleon.I would agree.
seawolf17 Old-Timey Member Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 I'll vote K-Mac also, but Cleon will get the popular vote.
Vic Sage Old-Timey Member Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 There have been 6 players in club history to play the majority of the Mets games in LF for at least 3 seasons (including Floyd, who will qualify at the end of 05), and i'd rank them as follows:1) Cleon Jones - a career Met, he had a higher peak than K-Mc (151 OPS+ [7.66 rc/27] to Kmc's 142+ [6.39 rc/27]) and finished in the top ten in OPS+ 3x to Kmc's 1x... started for 2 pennant winners to Kmac's 0... had a better OB% as a Me... preferred fucking babes in a trailer to huntin' and fishin'.2) Kevin McRedneck - see above3) Cliff Floyd - he may end up with the best career OPS of any Met LFer, but ABs lost to injuries have kept his production down. If he has another year like this one next season, he'll pass KMc on this list, in my view. If he had a few decent years after that for the Mets, finishing his career here, he'd go to the top of the list.4) Bernard Gilkey - best single season in LF (157 OPS+), but nothing much after that in brief Mets career5) Henderson - decent, if unspectacular and brief (4 seasons), Mets career6) Foster - shit, from first AB till his last.
Theoldmole Old-Timey Member Posted August 9, 2005 Author Posted August 9, 2005 They knew it was Cleon because they found shoe polish on the girl's ass.
Guest cooby Guests Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 I thought they were in a station wagon
Theoldmole Old-Timey Member Posted August 9, 2005 Author Posted August 9, 2005 Do you figure an intangible quality of Metliness here? McReynolds never struck me as particularly Metly.
Elster88 Old-Timey Member Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 Given the all-time Met win percentage, Metly probably means something along the lines of "played poorly for a last place team." Big Mac fails both ends of that sentence except for his last year here.
G-Fafif Old-Timey Member Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 The Faith and Fear One Hundred Greatest Mets of the First Forty Years (1962 through 2001) ranks the leftfielders as such:Cleon Jones 15th greatest MetDave Kingman (LF for the better part of two seasons): 27thBenny Agbayani (LF the balance of 2000): 45thKevin McReynolds 48thKevin Mitchell (platoon LF 1986): 64thRickey Henderson 69thSteve Henderson 72ndBernard Gilkey 91stFor more information on criteria,http://mets2005.myblogsite.com/blog/_archives/2005/3/15/436864.htmlThe complete rankings are available down the links column (Look Who's No. 100-1) at Faith and Fear.
MFS62 Old-Timey Member Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 I seem to recall it was in the back of a van.That was at the time when the phrase "Keep on truckin' " was a fad. That year during Banner Day, some kids brought a banner to the parade that was like a scroll, supported on two poles. When they entered the field, it said "Mets - Keep on Truckin'".Then, as they got toward the center of the field, they continued to unfurl the banner to reveal a picture of the back of a truck/ van with two pairs of feet sticking out - one pair Black, the other, White.The security guards quickly escorted them off the field, to the jeers of the fans (directed at the security guards).Later
Elster88 Old-Timey Member Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 I haven't looked at your data yet, but I'd seriously question Agbayani over McReynolds for starters.
Frayed Knot Old-Timey Member Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 Ranking Differences:Met LFerFaFiFCPFJones158Kingman2732Agbayani45107McReynolds4818Mitchell64193R. Henderson69138S. Henderson7242Gilkey9163
Guest Edgy DC Guests Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 FaFiF seems to wheigh the fun factor higher than we do.
Guest Edgy DC Guests Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 The top Met leftfielders of 1962 were:1) Frank Thomas2) Gene Woodling3) Richie Ashburn4) Joe Christopher5) Jim Hickman6) Rod Kanehl7) Rick Herscherr8) John DeMeritIt wasn't much of a race.
G-Fafif Old-Timey Member Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 Edgy DC wrote:FaFiF seems to wheigh the fun factor higher than we do.Good way to put it.Forgot -- Frank Thomas is No. 76 on our list.
Guest Edgy DC Guests Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 Thomas is 124 on our list giving him a fun factor rating of 63.
Frayed Knot Old-Timey Member Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 btw; Cliff Floyd = #99Other (part-time) LFers:John Milner = #29Butch Huskey = #83
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