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[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

I gotta say as good as he is I want no part of Sheffield.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Let's do as we did at the MOFo and fill 20 pages of speculation on Chef.

I've got to say, they're showing more respect. In February or something, it was Tanyon Sturtze that the Mets were supposed to be sending Cammie over for.

[Guest Rotblatt]

Here's the link: http://www.nypost.com/sports/yankees/25568.htm

And I agree; I don't like this alleged deal. Sheff's a great player, but he's old and overpriced. This article also speculates that we'd have to give up someone like Cairo and a "young pitcher." Unless we stretch the definition of young pitcher to include Glavine (he IS younger than the Big Unit, after all), I'm not interested.

We'd be crazy to take on $22M while giving up Cam AND two solid players for Sheffield . . .

[MFS62]

Since its the NY Post, I immediately cut and pasted that link to the bottom of my birdcage before I read it.
Just curious, was it written by the Yankee or the Met beat reporter?

Later

[Guest sharpie]

I refuse to "register" for the Post.

In today's NY Times Sheffield is quoted as saying that he won't play for another team if traded.

[Guest holychicken]

]The Yanks would have to get additional players to balance a deal. They talked to the Mets earlier in the season about reacquiring Miguel Cairo and also would have interest in a young Met pitcher.

Why does the deal need to be balanced? I think the MFY need to make this trade more than the Mets. MAYBE one other player, but considering Cameron's defense, the position he plays, the salary differential and the numbers he put up last year and this year, I think straight up is a good swap. I wouldn't be too dissappointed to watch Cairo go as well, certainly there would have to be some salary compensation at that point, but if a young decent/good pitcher goes instead or, god forbid, goes WITH Cairo, it is not worth it.

We have a similar problem where we need to stay young. . . certainly, the yanks are in more dire straights in that regards. . . but there is no way I would want to end up anything like them.

[soupcan]

Joel Sherman who, if I read between the lines correctly in many of his columns, seems to be a Mets fan.

I don't like this deal either. The Mets are a .500 team this year. No need to be trading Cammie and a 'young pitcher' for a malcontent like Sheffield.

They need more than a bat this year and if we are trying to build a foundation for a string of successful years, trading young pitchers for aging, overpriced sluggers doesn't seem to be the smartest route to go.

Next year or the year after if the Mets are one big bat away then this deal has my blessing. This year though I'd like to let this team gel, play together, get used to one another and learn how to win together. Cammie's got to be a positive influence on young guys like Reyes, Wright and Diaz.

I hope this is all just about selling papers. I'd lose a lot of respect for Omar and his philosophies of team building if he pulled the trigger on something like this.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

Joel Sherman.

Elsewhere on the Internet, there's discussion of a complex MFY WATP that somehow nets the MFYs Cuddyer & Urbina, while they give up Quantrill, 3B prospect Duncan and move Gayrod to SS and Jeter to CF.San Diego and Philly are also involved. I'm sure it's just a fantasy.

[soupcan]

Jeter to CF?

HA!

His ego would never allow it.

[metirish]

No way to this deal, I'm opposed to anything that helps that team, I know being a good guy like Cameron doesn't count for wins and loses but I hope we keep this guy, for those who watched the game last night you might remember the group of kids Matt Loughlin interviewed from the Starlight Children's Foundation, Mike is involved in that and does great work for them, a local kid from here got his wish last night...

http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050629/NEWS02/506290359/1017

[Guest Edgy DC]

Cammie was donates money for each catch he makes. Hopefully, he squeezed some money out of the Mets and Beltran for the money they lose when he switched positions.

]...but considering Cameron's defense, the position he plays, the salary differential and the numbers he put up last year and this year, I think straight up is a good swap.

Considering Sheffield's age, steroid usage, and unpopularity in my head, I think I don't want to touch it.

[smg58]

Jeter to CF? Somebody gets points for being creative.

How about Cameron and Matsui for Sheffield? Not sure why the Yankees would do that, but one can hope...

I get the sense that the deal has actually been discussed. I guess it depends on what the "and" in "Cameron and..." turns out to be. Sheffield would be an upgrade on offense, and we shouldn't ignore that part. The problem for me would have more to do with payroll; we'd be adding $5M (for next year) at a position I would have expected to be subtracting $8M. Plus they would be forced to deal Diaz, or keep him buried until his confidence and/or market value vanishes.

I'm never clear on what the Mets' spending limit is, so it's difficult to say how much of a bind this would put the Mets in for filling the remainder of their needs for next year.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

Unless it was clear that who we received for Cameron in a trade is a backboard-shattering chocolate thunder slam dunk to improve this team next year it shouldn't happen.

Sheff is 39 friggin years old!!!! Plus, he's pretty much a jerk. Plus Cameron helps the MFYs too much this year. And why on earth should we give them any more? They're the team that desperately needs a CF. And I mean, desperately.

No No No.

[seawolf17]

I don't want Sheffield either, but boy, when you look at the numbers... a bat like that would like nice in the center of this lineup. I just want the bat to be held by a different guy.

[soupcan]

seawolf17 wrote: I don't want Sheffield either, but boy, when you look at the numbers... a bat like that would like nice in the center of this lineup. I just want the bat to be held by a different guy.

Yeah sure his bat would be great in this lineup this year.

Again though the Mets are more than Sheffield's bat away from winning this year. And then we'd be stuck with him next year when he'd be 40, making $13 mil and whining.

A move like this flies in the face of 'being ptaient and building a winning organization'.

Don't like it, don't want it.

[seawolf17]

That's why I added the caveat at the end. Like I said... I don't want him; I want someone with his bat.

[Guest Rotblatt]

That's pretty close to the Platonic idea of the WATP . . . It's got multiple teams involved, superstars involved (even though they stay on the same team), doesn't help any of the teams significantly, and has pretty much no chance of happening.

The Yankees would improve their defense overall, assuming that Jeter adjusts to CF, but it doesn't look to me like Cuddyer's too likely to put up 3B-caliber numbers offensively, and he seems shaky defensively as well. The biggest benefit would be getting Womack out of the lineup.

The Phillies would give up a good but struggling reliever for an old, formerly good and struggling reliever--presumably all for $1M, which strikes me as the second-most unlikely part of the deal (the first being Jeter moving to CF).

The Twins would net a good prospect but lose their best option at 3B (at least until Williams gets off the DL).

I just don't see it happening . . .

[soupcan]

Just agreeing with ya wolfie.

[Guest Rotblatt]

]a bat like that would like nice in the center of this lineup.

We already have a bat like that in our lineup.

2005 OPS for Sheff: .898 (Career .927)
2005 OPS for Cam: .935 (Career: .786)

We all know that Cam isn't going to stay this hot, but it's not like Sheff's a bonafide lock either. At 36, how long can he stay productive and healthy? Is the upgrade offensively worth an additional $22M? Do we really want a fuck-nut like Sheffield (who apparently has said that he "won't play" for another team if he gets traded) anywhere near our team? Especially when he's not likely to bring us to the post-season?

I mean, the best we can hope for is for Sheff to hit like Cameron has so far this year. WITH Cameron hitting as well as he has, we're still only at .500. That means even if Sheff performs to expectations, we still need other players to step up if we want to go to the play-offs. Sheff is NOT the missing link for us.

on edit: Now maybe if he played first base . . . Then we could slide Diaz and his 817 OPS into right and get a nice upgrade offensively.

[Guest holychicken]

]Considering Sheffield's age, steroid usage, and unpopularity in my head, I think I don't want to touch it.

Personally, I am more turned off by that annoying bat wiggle.

That being said, I think it is a bad idea to run a team based on a player's "popularity in my head." Although, certainly club house attitude is important.

My post was more of a criticism of the claim by the "writer" that Sheffield is somehow worth more to the Mets than Cameron is to the MFY, so for the trade to happen, the Mets would have to throw in a lot more.

[Guest Spacemans Bong]

Interestink.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I've got no problem with a team staying away from players that I don't like.

I usually have sound reasons.

[Guest ScarletKnight41]

Do we really want this kind of thing on the field at Shea?




I don't think so.

[patchyfogg]

Did Sheffield the Agent forget to negotiate a No-Trade? Or, does he have one, and this speculation is nonsense? If he forgot to get a no-trade, I am forced to quote the Nanny, "Oh, Mistahh Sheffield"

[smg58]

I'd throw in Glavine and make the MFY's throw in a younger player. Then we're the ones freeing payroll, Heilman in the rotation wouldn't hurt us, Padilla finally gets up here, and the freed money plus Diaz puts us in better dealing position than we are in right now.

[Guest Rotblatt]

Bergen Record Horns In On Post's Action--Klapisch

http://www.bergen.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkxMTMmZmdiZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTY3MTQ0NDcmeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk2

They indicate the Mets are on board with the deal (Cairo + Cameron = Sheffield) and are merely waiting on the Yankees. They also speculate that the Yankees would throw in money to offset the salaries.

I'll be unhappy with this deal if it goes down. Can't we get younger than Sheffield? And shouldn't we be trying to get a 1B instead of a RF?

On edit: Why not Hideki instead? And maybe we pay for the difference between Cairo + Cameron's salary and Matsui . . . And give them Glavine for free (we pick up the remainder of Glavine's contract)?

[Guest Edgy DC]

The Yanks have a lot invested in Irabu as a foreign revenue source.

Also, he's not part of the story the newsfaces are trying to write.

I mean Cairo -- they keep banging on the idea that the Yanks are kicking themselves that they fumbled him away. As if his reacquisition would do anything to right the ship.

So, lemme get this straight, the Mets should be burying Matsui behind Cairo, but also giving Cairo up as a throw-in to the Yanks.

The Mets should be dealing to acquire Cano to play second, but the Yanks should be dealing to acquire Cairo to displace Cano.

Cairo's hurt and undealable, anywise.

[seawolf17]

I'd take Matsui, but he's not much defensively, and he's not a right fielder. Unless you think Floyd has some value and is worth dealing, I don't know if Matsui is a fit.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

Cairo's eligible to return from the DL today or tommorrow I believe.

Matsui as I've said a billion times makes a lot more sense in that if we can re-sign him (big if) he's likely to give us more going forward. The fact is, the MFYs need Cameron bad enough so that Cashman ought to be the one bending over.

[Centerfield]

Wow, Klapisch's article makes it sound as if the trade talks are much further along than the Post article.

How funny would that be? If we get Sheff, we get every member of that Marlins-Dodgers blockbuster trade in '98.