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Edgy MD wrote:
Juan Soto really, really wants 40 steals.


This might bother me as slightly selfish except for the fact that he never, ever gets thrown out stealing.


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Edgy MD wrote:
Juan Soto really, really wants 40 steals.


This might bother me as slightly selfish except for the fact that he never, ever gets thrown out stealing.


Except for the occasional pickoff which, as far as I'm concerned, should get counted the same as a caught stealing.


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Maybe a Diaz sighting looming



I'll give the Mets credit for coming back from that ugly third inning and Sproat also for making it through the fourth



Not pulling Sproat in the third saved one bullpen pitcher. Outs matter


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Frayed Knot wrote:


Edgy MD wrote:
Juan Soto really, really wants 40 steals.


This might bother me as slightly selfish except for the fact that he never, ever gets thrown out stealing.


Except for the occasional pickoff which, as far as I'm concerned, should get counted the same as a caught stealing.


Don't they?


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San Diego lost to the White Sox tonight.



With a win, Mets will be 4 back of SD for the #5 seed. (3 GB in the standings but lost the tiebreaker).


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Edgy MD wrote:

Frayed Knot wrote:






This might bother me as slightly selfish except for the fact that he never, ever gets thrown out stealing.


Except for the occasional pickoff which, as far as I'm concerned, should get counted the same as a caught stealing.


Don't they?


No. If you steal eight straight times while not being caught you're listed as being 8-for-8 in steal attempts even if you get picked off four times in the interim*.

In my book you should be 8-for-12 regardless of whether those outs come via the catcher or pitcher as the outcome is identical as a result of your aggressiveness.









* If the runner is judged to be 'breaking for 2nd' on the pickoff is can be credited as a 'Caught Stealing'. But if he's diving back towards 1st or merely freezes in place it's a pickoff which is counted as a different category, not as a 'CS'.


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Edgy MD wrote:

Frayed Knot wrote:

=Gwreck post_id=204947 time=1758331316 user_id=56]




This might bother me as slightly selfish except for the fact that he never, ever gets thrown out stealing.


Except for the occasional pickoff which, as far as I'm concerned, should get counted the same as a caught stealing.


Don't they?
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So we have disagreement on the rule.



I agree with Gwreck.



And Gary says nightly that no Met has been caught stealing by a catcher since May, which sort of necessarily implies that getting picked off by the pither is getting caught stealing.


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Devenski seals the deal.



Put aside that fifth-inning bomb against Brazzy, and the pen did nicely. And they get to keep their powder dry with Diaz.


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Frayed Knot wrote:
If the runner is judged to be 'breaking for 2nd' on the pickoff is can be credited as a 'Caught Stealing'. But if he's diving back towards 1st or merely freezes in place it's a pickoff which is counted as a different category, not as a 'CS'.


This is correct. However, I do not believe Soto has been picked off in such a manner this year.


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Right, all of Soto's 'pickoffs' were counted as caught stealings because he was headed to 2nd in each case (he was trying to time a walking lead and got sniffed out).

My point is that I believe ALL pickoffs should be counted as a CS: if you're 25-for-30 stealing but have also been picked off four times then, in my book, you're

25-for-34, but that's not how it's reported.


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Well, then, yeah, getting picked off a base should count as a CS whether you are breaking for the next bag or back to the bag you occupy when you eat it.


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Frayed Knot wrote:

I like how the WAS CF climbed the wall and was a mere 10 or 12 feet too short to catch it.


Also jumped about a half hour too early.


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My experience is that you have to jump early if you are going to jump 15-17 feet in the air.



He just starting falling back to earth a lot earlier than he might have hoped, not being a human-frog hybrid of some sort.


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Edgy MD wrote:

Edgy MD wrote:

Huascar is back in the fight, and they are trying to gift him a W here by putting him in for the fifth.


Not so fast.


The scorer used the "briefly and ineffectively" clause in the rules to give the win to another pitcher.



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