Lindor Gets Noticed

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i think the mets need to make the playoffs for lindor to have a real shot at the mvp, and even then it might not be enough.

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Edgy MD wrote: Plenty o' season left for the factors to change, of course. I tend to think, as valuable as All-Star-level hitting while playing shortstop at a high level is, hitting more productively than anybody in the league while sipping martinis in between plate appearancess may be an even more impressive trick.

Exactly. Otherwise you're punishing a player because the game comes easier to him. Who cares how much effort a player has to give? It should be about production and only about production. If a player can hit a HR with his eyes closed and hung over from last night's out on the town with the boys bar crawl, then so be it. All that matters is the HR itself.

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Benjamin Grimm wrote: It's nice that Lindor is being considered as a candidate, but I'd be very surprised if he won. Especially since it's looking more and more likely that his team won't make the postseason.

So sad. See my post above.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I agree. Voters seem to put too much emphasis on the V in MVP.

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Benjamin Grimm wrote: I agree. Voters seem to put too much emphasis on the V in MVP.

The smartest solution is so so often the simplest. I think that some of the voters complicate the thought process not out of necessity but because they think that it makes them appear smarter.

[Edgy MD]

That go-ahead-and-eventual-game-winning hit up the middle by Luís Iglesias that Geraldo Perdomo couldn't handle?



Our MVP-candidate shortstop would've gotten that.

[Frayed Knot]

Frayed Knot wrote: =nymr83 post_id=167978 time=1724944905 user_id=54] Marte has missed significant time though right?

No, he's one of the few on that team who hasn't.

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i think the mets need to make the playoffs for lindor to have a real shot at the mvp, and even then it might not be enough.

[G-Fafif]

Lindor admits to Ken Rosenthal that he's a hugger.

At first, I wanted to hug a lot of things (take responsibility and control). I felt like that was part of why I came here, to help guide the organization in the right direction. I have learned that I came here to play shortstop at a very high level. If there is something in my way, I can hug it, protect it. If it needs to be fixed, fix it. But if not, just keep moving. Let the manager hug other things. Let Stearns hug other things. Let (owner) Steve (Cohen) hug other things. I don't have to be the one hugging everything.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5732760/2024/08/30/francisco-lindor-new-york-mets-interview/https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5732760/2024/08/30/francisco-lindor-new-york-mets-interview/

[Edgy MD]

I could use a hug, Francisco, and Carlos and Steve aren't on it.

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[Edgy MD]

Kalina has clearly been lobbying.

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Big words

[Benjamin Grimm]

The first thing I thought of after reading that was Carlos Beltran in 2006.

[metirish]

Some interesting comments on here from non Mets fans

[G-Fafif]

got chills?



you will.

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https://x.com/BeaneaterB/status/1831384717133840512 Some interesting comments on here from non Mets fans

There are also Cy Young awards and Rookie of the Year awards. But what is this Beaneater person talking about? What is he trying to say? I have no idea.

[Edgy MD]

The idea is that the notion that denying Ohtani the MVP Award based on his lack of defensive contribution should not be considered a denial at all, as there is an award set aside for outstanding offensive player that considers only offense, and that award should be considered as prestigious as the Cy Young Award, and the idea that the MVP is the offensive equivalent (or "everyday player" equivalent) of the Cy Young Award, that is seemingly still maintained by some voters, should be tossed out with the trash.



Ohtani appears to be a runaway favorite of the Hank Aaron Award, and that's to be celebrated, and we all should look forward to a hardy race for the MVP, for which he is surely a candidate for as well. But unlike the Hank Aaron Award, his lack of defensive contributions should be understood to be a meaningful factor in measuring his performance.



At least, I think that's what's there. I seem to be inferring a lot.

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So Ohtani can't win the MVP award if he wins the Hank Aaron award? Is that what the guy is saying? Or maybe he's saying that a DH can't win an MVP award? Well, what if there was a DH who finished the season with 100 HRs, 250 RBI's a .600 BA and an .800 OBP? Is he saying that even that guy can't win the MVP because he DH'ed?



Value is value, no matter where it comes from. Justin Verlander and Roger Clemens won MVP awards while providing no offensive value and relatively little defensive value -- and with a Cy Young award existing for pitchers only. Dennis Eckersley won an MVP award pitching just 80 innings, and also providing zero offensive value.

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So Ohtani can't win the MVP award if he wins the Hank Aaron award? Is that what the guy is saying?

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Edgy MD wrote: =batmagadanleadoff post_id=168946 time=1725582946 user_id=68] So Ohtani can't win the MVP award if he wins the Hank Aaron award? Is that what the guy is saying?

Definitely not.

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https://x.com/SteveGelbs/status/1831065718177296876 Big words

Going by Fangraphs WAR, here are the best years by some Mets position players (at least the ones that I thought of looking up):

Wright 2007 8.4

Olerud 1998 8.1

Beltran 2006 7.8

Gilkey 1996 7.6

Lindor 2024 7.3 (so far)

Johnson 1989 7.0

Strawberry 1990 6.5

Reyes 2008 5.9

Piazza 2000 5.8

Hernandez 1986 5.8

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Edgy MD wrote: =batmagadanleadoff post_id=168946 time=1725582946 user_id=68] So Ohtani can't win the MVP award if he wins the Hank Aaron award? Is that what the guy is saying?

Definitely not.


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Or maybe he's saying that a DH can't win an MVP award?

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I didn't take a really hard look at Lindor's numbers in about two weeks. Wow! His numbers moved up greatly in that time. He has a really strong case for NL MVP if the season ended today. Maybe even the best case of anybody. Even better than Ohtani. In fact, I'd say that right now, Lindor is the front-runner for NL MVP.

[Edgy MD]

After being on the Interstate for most of the first third of the season, there's a chance Lindor ends up in the league's top 10 in batting average. He's about 16th right now, and while it'll take some real climbing over the final weeks of the season, he's been climbing and climbing and climbing all summer.

[Frayed Knot]

He has cracked the top 10 in OPS, and two of those ahead of him (Betts & Peterson) don't have enough PAs to qualify right now.

Still more than 100 points in back of Ozuna and Ohtani though.

[Edgy MD]

Fangraphs has him ahead of Ohtani in fWAR, 7.4 to 7.0.

[Edgy MD]

The Mets looked awful tight in the one game that they did get in against the Braves. Nimmo let a ball skip by him. Álvarez ran into his pitcher on a dribbler, Alonso let a ball get away from him, and Acuña flubbed a grounder that was ticketed for a double-play. They looked gosh-darn tight and made me think their un-named captain is a big part of keeping them loose.



Also, I kind of got the impression, during this rare interlude when Lindor hasn't been in the lineup, their alternative de-facto captain isn't Nimmo or Alonso or Marte. Things have kind of been revolving Iglesias, haven''t they? It's weird to see it that way, seeing as he wasn't even being a Met at the start of the year, but sometimes culture swings fast that way.

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Edgy MD wrote: Fangraphs has him ahead of Ohtani in fWAR, 7.4 to 7.0.

Things change. It's gonna take a fucking miracle now for Lindor to take home this year's NL MVP award what with Ohtani's blazing and historical finish and Lindor's injury-related fade-out.

[G-Fafif]

Francisco Lindor is a man possessed by the desire to win.