Will Buck win Manager of the year?

[roger_that]

I was agin hiring him, but he's gotten results, can't argue with that, and I don't appreciate the way the does some aspects of his job, but he's doing a damned good job managing this team overall.



Is he the best manager in the league this year, though? Who's his competition going down the stretch? Will his churlish take with the press hurt him or help him? Is the Manager of the Year award dependent on post-season success? Do YOU think he's Manager of the Year?

[kcmets]

Too early for this. So much can happen in 50+ games down the stretch.



He's not mean to the press, he handles them just fine. Is this the second

or third thread where you have to whip that point out?



Churlish is a fun word.

[MFS62]

Baseball awards (MVP, Cy Young) are voted on after the regular season, so playoff success doesn't count.

I'm not sure if manager of the year is one of those awards.

He kept a team with their two top pitchers on the IL in contention, so he deserves serious consideration.

I don't follow other teams enough to know if there is another manager who did more with less.



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[kcmets]

Manager of the Year is regular season only.

[Ceetar]

The media loves him. Maybe if like, the Padres came back and won the division or something, but I can't think of any other good candidates.

[Lefty Specialist]

If the voting were today, yes. But the voting is not today.

[Ceetar]

Something crazy would have to happen I think. 92% to win the division on Fangraphs, against the defending world champs. Of course, depends on the specific voters too.

[bmfc1]

Gary said he likely will during Tuesday night's broacast.

[Benjamin Grimm]

No Mets manager has ever won this award. Not even Gil Hodges, who certainly would have in 1969 if not for the fact that the award wasn't established until 1983.

[Edgy MD]

Please allow me to reiterate my support for retroactively honoring people for awards in seasons that happened before the awards were established, or before the awards split into an AL and an NL recipient.

[roger_that]

You could probably invent a formula for Mgr of the Year that would be pretty close to accurate, a certain number of points for wins over the previous year's total, bonuses for finishing in first place and for overcoming major injuries, smaller bonuses for wild card teams. What other factors would you use in this formula?

[Marshmallowmilkshake]

Yankee hack Ian O'Connor has a Buck column with a little too much Yankee content. Seems to think Buck was owed this team because of 1994.



Not a single Jeter mention, which is rare for O'Connor.



https://nypost.com/2022/08/10/baseball-gods-owed-buck-showalter-this-charmed-2022-season/https://nypost.com/2022/08/10/baseball-gods-owed-buck-showalter-this-charmed-2022-season/

[metsmarathon]

it's hard to tie a manager of the year down to a few stats.



you could look at how a team compares to their preseason projection, how the players compare to last years' performances, how many injury-war they overcame, how they compare to their pythagorean wins, or you could just give it to buck.



nobody else really comes close to meriting it, thus far.



dave roberts probably could make a decent case for some consideration, and i think tory lovullo is in the conversation, but that's probably about it.



in the AL.... its brandon hyde, all the way. boone will get more love than he deserves, at least in comparison to francona and baldelli. but if brandon hyde doesn't win, i call shenanigans!

[Edgy MD]

How a team or player compares to pre-season projections isn't particularly fair to a manager who outperformed expectations the year before.



If a skipper takes over a team expected to win 72 games and he wins 98, a quick analysis would say that that this manager did a good job. A very good job. A closer analysis would likely show that quick and dirty one to be likely correct. He or she's got a good chance of winning Manager of the Year.



But then, if the team wins 92 the next season, has this manager somehow screwed up? Is this skip not still getting more out of the team than external analysts believed could be gotten? The analysts adjusted their thinking between seasons and decided there was a lot more talent there than previously seen, but is that in any way fair to the manager?

[roger_that]

it's hard to tie a manager of the year down to a few stats.

Hard, but far from impossible, in terms of using those stats that have done it for past managers.



I'd start by juggling some numbers for no-doubt-about-it MOTYs, guys who've won it running away, and seeing what factors they have in common, and then fine-tuning it as the choices got dicier and dicier. I'd guess that "surprise" teams, out of nowhere teams, have had an outsized representation here. Hodges, for example, would have been colossally obvious. Then I'd look into how the fuck Joe Girardi won it with an under-.500 team.