IGT 6/29/2022: HOU@NYM — Don’t Leave Us This Way

[Fman99]

Edgy MD wrote: I don't like Drew Smith coming in. You've got to try to squeeze two innings out of Diaz here.

Yeah I was hoping you were wrong but apparently not so much.

[Edgy MD]

Don't swing when the tying run is behind you in the ninth.



Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

[MFS62]

Edgy MD wrote: I don't like Drew Smith coming in. You've got to try to squeeze two innings out of Diaz here. Yeah I was hoping you were wrong but apparently not so much.

Giving it up to a .115 hitter hurts even more.

Later

[Edgy MD]

Poopchutes.

[MFS62]

Joe Schultz.



Later

[Gwreck]

This should be an eye-opening series:



-The Mets are a good but not elite team.

-An upgrade to 2 bullpen arms should a priority

-Some reallocation of Davis/Escobar's playing time needs to be considered; they're not getting it done. Another bat should be considered.

-Mets have beat no elite teams. 2-2 against LA; 0-4 against Houston. 1-2 against SD. Results against Giants/Cardinals/Brewers more encouraging but suggest the Mets are a pretty good team that likely could

Make the playoffs, not a very good team that would be expected to go far in the playoffs.

[Edgy MD]

I don't believe bullpen arms are what's needed.



All the relievers in the world won't win you a game if you don't score.

[bmfc1]

2d time in 3 games when they screwed up early as Nimmo's leadoff double was wasted as 3 "All-Stars" did jackshit.

[Gwreck]

Edgy MD wrote: I don't believe bullpen arms are what's needed. All the relievers in the world won't win you a game if you don't score.

What do you think the Mets need? (Or would you just stand pat)?



Me, I'm worried that Drew Smith is on pace to blow past his career innings high by August and after him and Ottavino there's a whole lot of “eh” in the bullpen.



Getting shut out by Justin Verlander is not some great shame, and the Mets are, even despite the paucity of runs scored this week, third in the league in scoring runs. So while I agree that they also need to add a hitter, it is not the top priority.

[batmagadanleadoff]

This should be an eye-opening series: -The Mets are a good but not elite team. -An upgrade to 2 bullpen arms should a priority -Some reallocation of Davis/Escobar's playing time needs to be considered; they're not getting it done. Another bat should be considered. -Mets have beat no elite teams. 2-2 against LA; 0-4 against Houston. 1-2 against SD. Results against Giants/Cardinals/Brewers more encouraging but suggest the Mets are a pretty good team that likely could Make the playoffs, not a very good team that would be expected to go far in the playoffs.

I agree with this post for the most part, but not with the characterization of the Mets as a "good but not elite team". I think that the Mets are, at the very minimum, a very good team, if not even better than that. I wouldn't put too much stock in their lesser showing against the top teams listed in GWrecks post: the sample size of those games is tiny, and thus, not so reliable.



I do agree that the team could use some improvement. That's what the elite teams are always striving for. The Dodgers, for example, wouldn't be content with their awesome stable of MVP's and all-stars, and will stay up nights figuring out how to upgrade their 4th starter slot or their 7th best bat in the lineup, even if those are already solid players.



And the Mets are now poised to get deGrom and Scherzer back, two of baseball's best pitchers before their injuries. Getting an elite pitcher is almost always, the biggest and most significant upgrade any team could make because an ace, or top of the rotation pitcher always replaces the last pitcher in the rotation and so the upgrade from one pitcher to the other is tremendous. Times two. Because there's two aces on the way.



I think that if deGrom and Scherzer return as the aces they were just before their injuries, or anywhere reasonably close, the Mets are instantly transformed into a powerhouse. Plus there'd be domino effect benefits to their returns, such as less dependence on the bullpen and less need to score runs.

[roger_that]

Edgy MD wrote: I don't believe bullpen arms are what's needed. All the relievers in the world won't win you a game if you don't score. What do you think the Mets need? (Or would you just stand pat)? Me, I'm worried that Drew Smith is on pace to blow past his career innings high by August and after him and Ottavino there's a whole lot of “eh” in the bullpen. Getting shut out by Justin Verlander is not some great shame, and the Mets are, even despite the paucity of runs scored this week, third in the league in scoring runs. So while I agree that they also need to add a hitter, it is not the top priority.

In the past 72 hours, I have heard that the Mets #1 need is relief pitching, starting pitching, and hitting.

[Edgy MD]

Edgy MD wrote: I don't believe bullpen arms are what's needed. All the relievers in the world won't win you a game if you don't score. What do you think the Mets need? (Or would you just stand pat)?

Oh, I'd totally stand pat. I have big philosophical differences with how they're deploying their assets, but among the folks in the majors and in the minors and on the Injured List, they totally have the personnel.



It always seems like another reliever or two would make the difference, but if the Mets got 10 relievers, they would still seem to need two more.

[Benjamin Grimm]

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