What about Javy?

[Ceetar]

And Keith didn't have to have his friends sneak him women out the back door.

[kcmets]

Jeter's back door lol, it's right there on a tee and I can't. I just can't.

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[Ceetar]

EXCR2TE

[batmagadanleadoff]

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: Yes I think the way things are going Keith'll get in there.... Keith'll end up in Cooperstown. He's the best fielding first baseman in baseball history. His defense was so revolutionary, so far ahead of its time, that watching Keith play first base for the first time must've been as eye-opening as seeing Jimi Hendrix play mod-England in 1966. If Keith never existed and came up today for the first time ever as a young twentysomething first baseman, he'd still be ahead of his time. His defense alone should've gotten him more than halfway into Cooperstown. Bill Mazeroski, ferchrissakes, is a HOF'er.

https://www.amny.com/sports/no-question-why-keith-hernandez-belongs-in-hall-of-fame/https://www.amny.com/sports/no-question-why-keith-hernandez-belongs-in-hall-of-fame/



Check out Keith's "runs from fielding" stat. Keith's is the best in baseball history at his position.



Meanwhile , Carter was the last piece to the puzzle. (If you ignore Teufel, Mitchell and Ojeda). Keith was only a regular piece to the puzzle. Carter got here after, instead of before Keith. And Carter had like a fifth of the Mets career Keith did. So let's retire Carter's Mets uni.

[Edgy MD]

In the second installment of Once Upon A Time In Queens, while they showed that crazy 3-5-4 DP against the Reds, the context is that they won despite the post-fight ejections forcing them to use Carter at third and McRoscoe in the outfield. Do any of the later episodes include a chapter specifically highlighting Hernandez' fielding contributions?

[batmagadanleadoff]

Edgy MD wrote: In the second installment of Once Upon A Time In Queens, while they showed that crazy e-5-4 DP against the Reds, the context is that they won despite the post-fight ejections forcing them to use Carter at third and McRoscoe in the outfield. Do any of the later episodes include a chapter specifically highlighting Hernandez' fielding contributions?

I don't specifically remember, but I don't think I'm exaggerating when I say that Keith probably made highlight reel worthy mind-blowing defensive gems like that 3-5-4 DP every single week.



He was transcendent on defense.

[Edgy MD]

Yes, he did. The other parts of that play make it stand out. Extra innings, post-fight, players out of position, the secondbaseman finishing the play.



But Keith was just doing what Keith did.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Edgy MD wrote: Yes, he did. The other parts of that play make it stand out. Extra innings, post-fight, players out of position, the secondbaseman finishing the play. But Keith was just doing what Keith did.

What's overlooked about that DP is how early Keith got to the bunt: the batter was still in the batter's box when Keith fielded the bunt. That allowed Carter to receive Keith's throw so early that Carter was, very calmly, able to take a full step towards first base before making his relay throw. This not only shortened the throw to first base, but also allowed Carter to avoid having to deal with a potential take-out slide from Buddy Bell, the oncoming baserunner.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Andy Martino is reporting that the Mets and Baez may reach a deal before Baez even hits free agency, as happened with Mike Piazza in 1998.



https://sny.tv/articles/javier-baez-mets-turnaround-dealInside the remarkable turnaround for Javier Baez and Mets, who could agree on a deal quickly

Andy Martino wrote: If the Mets make a serious offer early, Baez would be inclined to stay. Some free agencies, especially those of star players, drag on until March. This one does not have to.

[Ceetar]

Breaking: Guy will sign if he gets the offer he wants.

[ashie62]

Thumbs up.

[Edgy MD]

What this buzz does is underscore how much the are up against the wall in trying not to put the cart before the horse, to mix a metaphor into an unsightly scene.



This window of exclusivity is an opportunity and an asset you hate to just let slip away, but how do you make yet another commitment for $300 million + that locks the direction of the team more firmly in place before hiring the person that is supposed to steward that direction? It's not only unfair, but it's kind of unfair in a way that may turn off potential hires. It's just kind of reckless.



On the other hand, how long can you operate on automation, performing only the most perfunctory of player transactions, while you have to hire a president of baseball operations, a general manager (presumably), an assistant general manager (less presumably, but still) and a field manager? They also need to assemble the lion's share of the coaching staff.



Obviously, a team has to step on the gas with player decisions before all of that can be done, but they have to wait until at least some of that is done, and, unfortunately, wait until the post-season is over to really do most of it with the required formality.



It's a real delicate balance. It's a delicate balance in being up up against the wall in trying not to put the cart before the horse.

[kcmets]

Cart and horse positioning being said, having a Lindor/Baez up-the-middle sewn

up for the long-term is just one less thing a new GM (or whatever they want to call

him/her these days) has to worry about and address.

[Edgy MD]

Or, if it's boondoggle, it's one more thing to worry about and address.

[kcmets]

Don't be throwing the baby out with the bathwater!



(been dying to whip that out all morning)

[duan]

=Ceetar post_id=80019 time=1634740340 user_id=102]
Breaking: Guy will sign if he gets the offer he wants.

[Edgy MD]

Well, with this offseason market not having unfolded at all, yet, the starting point would have to be the Lindor deal.

[Ceetar]

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=Ceetar post_id=80019 time=1634740340 user_id=102]
Breaking: Guy will sign if he gets the offer he wants.

[duan]

Well safe to say 3 years at 10 million per year isn't signing him in a million years.



I'd be intrigued if 5 x 20 would do it. Not saying that the Mets should go for that but if your Javy Baez you'd definitely give it a fair bit of consideration

[Fman99]

I think he stays for an offer in the ballpark of 5-6 years at 20-25 mil per. That's my guess.

[nymr83]

The Mets do have at least one big incentive to bring back Baez, Stroman, and Conforto - If the Mets sign someone else's free agent who received a qualifying offer, they lose their second pick in the draft. Not their second round pick, but their second first round pick (they have the compensation pick for the Rocker fiasco)

[Benjamin Grimm]

But at least in Conforto's case, if they don't sign him, they'll get someone else's pick, right? (Assuming he receives and declines a QO.)

[Edgy MD]

I think a qualified offer being tendered to and accepted by Conforto is probably as close to a certainty as there might be. It makes more than a little sense for both sides.



Makes a lot of sense for the Syndergaard scenario to play out that way as well.

[duan]

But that Conforto comp pick is going to be in the 30s the pick they lose is the 14th one. That's a big difference

[duan]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: But at least in Conforto's case, if they don't sign him, they'll get someone else's pick, right? (Assuming he receives and declines a QO.)

They don't get their pick - just a comp pick- the team who sign the player lose their 2nd pick - normally that's in the second round but because of the Kunze Rocker clusterfuck ours is the 14th

[Edgy MD]

Kunze Rocker Clusterfuck sounds like a buzzy new band on the cover of Hot Press.

[Frayed Knot]

Edgy MD wrote: Well, with this offseason market not having unfolded at all, yet, the starting point would have to be the Lindor deal.

Anything over half the Lindor deal is my ending point for Baez.



The most enduring point from 'Moneyball', IMO, was the idea that it's easier to replace the player you failed to sign than it is to make up for the one you sign at the wrong price.

With the glut of top shortstops on the market this off-season it may very well turn out that we were too quick to jump on Lindor and that the players given up plus the length of

the deal will combine to make it too high a price to pay for what we ultimately get. Don't double down on it by thinking that Javy is a unique 'must get'.

[Fman99]

Edgy MD wrote: I think a qualified offer being tendered to and accepted by Conforto is probably as close to a certainty as there might be. It makes more than a little sense for both sides. Makes a lot of sense for the Syndergaard scenario to play out that way as well.

For Thor, yes, agreed.



The broadcasters seemed to think that Conforto had closed out his time as a Met. I would think he will get the QO but I would be shocked if he accepted it. He's destined to go to some team I hate and be fantastic and make us all rue the day (the Zack Wheeler effect).

[Edgy MD]

As for Conforto, I wouldn't be shocked.



As for Baez, I agree. I didn't mean to suggest that he should get anything like Lindor's deal. I don't think Lindor should get Lindor's deal.

[Frayed Knot]

It all depends on whether they decide they need to keep Baez and then spend the negotiating process debating how high and how long the price tag will be, or whether they negotiate as part of reaching a decision as to signing him or not.

Too often the previous administration-- not just the Pons but also those who worked for them -- followed the former strategy rather than the latter.