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Frayed Knot wrote:

Pete's fouling off the tough ones.

If McGee misses by just a little...

You're right but if Pete's great then why can't he hit the tough ones? He shouldn't need the pitcher to miss at all because he's Pete.


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SFG kept trying to give us that game but we kept shoving it right back in their faces. Between poo-outs and DISNEY we essentially threw a chance away.


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Johnny Lunchbucket wrote:

We were talking about this last night but what do you think-- do the Mets hit too many foul balls?



I know fouls are sort of looked at as benign at worst but you got to wonder. It seems like while this team is busy not getting hits they seem to foul off at least 1 hittable pitch in every turn-- often, the best one they will see.



So. Do the Mets out-foul the opposition? I have no idea but would not be surprised.



Are foul balls good bad or indifferent, overall? They advance the count against them and only in rare cases they drive in runs; on the other hand the alternative is often a taken strike which also ain't good for all those reasons and more.



But I dunno. Do any geeks study this?



Is there a way for a club to "reduce" their fouls?



Would the Mets benefit from fouling less and hitting the ball fair more?



Do the Mets foul more than the other guys?



How does fouling index with runs scored?


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yes. The Mets foul off 29.2% of pitches per strike seen. They've seen 17091 pitches. (as of yesterday?) This is second 'best' behind Atlanta. This doesn't seem to be a meaningful indicator of anything. Top three, Braves, Mets, White Sox. Bottom, Padres, Cubs, Diamondbacks. The Mets score the second fewest runs per games behind the Pirates (Though the number of 7 inning games skews this)



They also see the third fewest pitches per plate appearance. 3.81. Royals the same, Rockies 3.79. THAT is bad. They're probably related.



They swing at 49.1% of pitches, second highest behind the Royals. Yankees, Padres, Astros, Dodgers, Giants bottom five.



They've seen the fewest 3-0 counts in baseball. (They've seen 500 fewer pitches than the next lowest team, so this is only partially meaningful, though they only jump to second lowest if you use percentage)



They're second in first pitch swinging behind the Braves.







So all in all, can the Mets 'reduce' their fouls? Sure, SWING AT BETTER PITCHES. SWING LESS.



This isn't news though. It's part of the reason Baez was such a bad choice to 'boost' the offense. What they need are guys on base. They need people taking more pitches, WAITING for their pitch, and crushing that one. Not flailing at balls and borderline pitches.



Some of it's just not executing I guess. Even 'meatball' pitches are hard to hit, but most of these guys have typically been better than that with it. They need to take more pitches, it won't magically make them identify pitches to hit better, but there is REAL value in being ahead of the count. I'm not gonna try to find it now, but there was an article recently that broke out the Mets offense ahead/behind in the count and pretty much concluded the same thing--when they wait they're find and good.



Just look at Nimmo's AB in the 9th tonight. That first pitch maaay have been a ball. If that get's called a ball, and the count is 1-0 instead of 0-1, McGee may not throw the same (high, out of the zone) second pitch. He's ahead in the count, so he can try to get Nimmo to go up and chase. Maybe he lingers closer to the zone and Nimmo crushes one. Or maybe he still walks, but Alonso sense that the ump ISN'T widening the strike zone, and doesn't swing at the 1-2 pitch (almost identical to the first pitch to Nimmo) in on his hands, and now it's 2-2 and perhaps he gets a better pitch to actual hit.



It's tough of course, it's hard to say Alonso shouldn't have swung at that last pitch because it was called a strike to Nimmo (though outside versus inside).



What Alonso shouldn't have swung at was the second pitch, which wasn't as high to the ball to Nimmo or Smith, but was still above the strike zone. McGee through the same pitch again right after that, just an inch or two lower, IN the strike zone. He probably meant to keep it up higher,but Alonso swung again. This time instead of missing it, he fouled it off. But it still feels like he screwed up there. Swinging at those two pitches means he pretty much HAD to swing at the bad 1-2 pitch at his hands. Game over.


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Duda episode of Mets On Tap drops tomorrow morning. (this morning? 4 hours)



Even one more guy with an above average OBP would've done wonders. There's a few pending free agent outfielders that would've worked, plus other trade options (or like, even giving Cespedes a try)


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