I'm Keith Hernandez (Not me, Keith) Does Keith Hernandez have his own thread somewhere here?

[batmagadanleadoff]

Edgy MD wrote: Jerry Koosman and Willie Randolph strike me as two guys who should be in the Hot 100 but don't belong in any Top 20. Rusty Staub, too, and maybe Tug McGraw. Still no Tug. (And I ain't holdin' my breath for that.) But Billy Wagner checks in today at #17 - the highest ranked one-time Met, so far. you'd have to think the list goes something like Bonds, Clemens, Rose, Shoeless Joe Jackson? so you have about 12-13 spots left before it gets obvious - are there any potential Mets left?

I don't think either Rose or Shoeless Joe will make Joe's list. They're both banned from baseball and thus ineligible for the Hall. The list is comprised of players eligible for the Hall who are no longer active and who have failed to get in through the conventional HOF ballot. It's not clear, (at least I don't think so), whether a retired player still appearing on the conventional HOF ballot is eligible for Joe's list.

[Edgy MD]

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Cone already made the list as did Kent.



I can't imagine most of those guys have anything resembling a legit hall of fame case.



Bonilla is the only maybe, but I'd have to think there is no way he's be the top 16 not yet revealed

[nymr83]

Sheffield is already there.



None of the other guys you are naming are, in my mind, even worth much HOF discussion much less deserve to be in.



I didnt even know Candelaria was a Met

[batmagadanleadoff]

Kenny Lofton is #16.



Mets on Joe's list:



90 - Frank Howard

88 - Willie Randolph

83 - Dwight Gooden

81 - Orel Hershiser

72 - John Olerud

41 - Bobby Abreu

39 - Jeff Kent

37 - Ken Boyer

31 - Bret Saberhagen

27 - Johan Santana

26 - David Cone

24 - Gary Sheffield

22 - Keith Hernandez

17 - Billy Wagner

[Edgy MD]

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Sheffield is already there.



None of the other guys you are naming are, in my mind, even worth much HOF discussion much less deserve to be in.



I didnt even know Candelaria was a Met

[Edgy MD]

Bob Friend, Kenny Rogers, Al Leiter, Robin Ventura, Mo Vaughn, Randy Myers, Moisés Alou, Frank Tanana, Julio Franco, Jeff Reardon, John Franco, Kevin Appier, Tony Phillips, Bartolo Colón, Mel Fuckin' Stottlemyre.

[nymr83]

I'm assuming Colon counts as an active player or at least not eligible yet?



He would certainly belong in the Hall of Fun

[Edgy MD]

Probably not a whole lot of room in the Hall of Fun for Kenny Rogers.

[batmagadanleadoff]

#15 is a tie between Andruw Jones and Jim Edmonds.

[nymr83]

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#15 is a tie between Andruw Jones and Jim Edmonds.

[batmagadanleadoff]

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1st basemen on Po's Outsiders list (so far):



93 - Darrell Evans (mainly a third baseman)

92 - Steve Garvey

89 - Al Oliver (but he played 1b mainly at the tail end of his career)

87 - Lance Berkman (see Al Oliver comment)

80 - Will Clark

72 - John Olerud

53 - Don Mattingly

32 - Rafael Palmeiro

23 - Fred McGriff

22 - Keith Hernandez (Po sez Keith's career was better than modern 1st basemen HOF'ers Tony Perez and Orlando Cepeda).



MIA (for now)



Dick Allen

Gil Hodges

[batmagadanleadoff]

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=batmagadanleadoff post_id=52842 time=1609131613 user_id=68]
1st basemen on Po's Outsiders list (so far):



93 - Darrell Evans (mainly a third baseman)

92 - Steve Garvey

89 - Al Oliver (but he played 1b mainly at the tail end of his career)

87 - Lance Berkman (see Al Oliver comment)

80 - Will Clark

72 - John Olerud

53 - Don Mattingly

32 - Rafael Palmeiro

23 - Fred McGriff

22 - Keith Hernandez (Po sez Keith's career was better than modern 1st basemen HOF'ers Tony Perez and Orlando Cepeda).



MIA (for now)



Dick Allen

Gil Hodges

[Edgy MD]

Fuck and yes.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Edgy MD wrote: Jerry Koosman and Willie Randolph strike me as two guys who should be in the Hot 100 but don't belong in any Top 20. Rusty Staub, too, and maybe Tug McGraw. Still no Tug. (And I ain't holdin' my breath for that.) But Billy Wagner checks in today at #17 - the highest ranked one-time Met, so far. you'd have to think the list goes something like Bonds, Clemens, Rose, Shoeless Joe Jackson? so you have about 12-13 spots left before it gets obvious - are there any potential Mets left? I don't think either Rose or Shoeless Joe will make Joe's list. They're both banned from baseball and thus ineligible for the Hall.

Beats me if I know how this is supposed to work. Shoeless Joe is #12.

[Edgy MD]

All right!



I'm calling Dutch Rennert for #11.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Joe Posnanski writes that, off the top of his head, Ellis Valentine had the second best outfield throwing arm in baseball history.



So I googled this up:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQwfvNtAFykhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQwfvNtAFyk

Edited January 13, 2021 by Guest

[Edgy MD]

Who is his #1?

[MFS62]

Edgy MD wrote: Who is his #1?

Clemente is tops on many lists, including mine.

Later

[batmagadanleadoff]

Edgy MD wrote: Who is his #1? Clemente is tops on many lists, including mine.

Joe agrees.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Catching up:



#11 - Dale Murphy

#10 - Dwight Evans

#9 - Pete Rose

[batmagadanleadoff]

#8 - Curt Flood

[Edgy MD]

All three were a first baseman at some point, though only Evans would have included it on his business card.



50,000,000 Dutch Rennert Fans can't be wrong!

[whippoorwill]

I'm creeped out by Keith and his Trumpism. Has he repented?

[batmagadanleadoff]

#7 - Dick Allen

#6 - Lou Whitaker

[Edgy MD]

Lou Whit is totally the owner of the most ridiculous one-and-done candidacy.

[metsmarathon]

bobby grich might have an argument there, seeing as how he's the only guy on bbref's JAWS list who ranks out above the average HOFer at his position who a) is not yet enshrined was a one-and done c) does not have an asterisk attached to him and d) played in modern times.

[Edgy MD]

I did not know Grich got tossed over in year one. My bad. Lou Whit is the likely co-owner of the most-ridiculous one-and-done candidacy.



Gun to my head, though, I'd totally go with Lou.

[metsmarathon]

yeah, i woulda gone with lou, too, but i wasn't nearly as familiar with grich. still aren't. but so sez the numbers. grich even got a slightly lower percentage of the vote than lou, too.



whitaker has the higher bbrefWAR, grich has the fangraphs advantage.



i think they are both quite deserving f the co-owner title. and its an ironic additional indignation to heap upon the both of them.

[MFS62]

bobby grich might have an argument there, seeing as how he's the only guy on bbref's JAWS list who ranks out above the average HOFer at his position who a) is not yet enshrined was a one-and done c) does not have an asterisk attached to him and d) played in modern times.

I remember discussions that centered on things like "Mazeroski is in the Hall for being the best fielding second baseman - ever, and I think Grich was just as good with the glove".

That he was as good as Maz may or may not be true, but it was considered back then.

Later

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I remember discussions that centered on things like "Mazeroski is in the Hall for being the best fielding second baseman - ever....