Baseball Hall of Fame 2020

[Guest 41Forever]

I've not been paying attention to the Hall of Fame voting as obsessively due to the Jeter-centric coverage and some of the early guys who announced they were voting for Jeter and no one else.



But I checked ballot tracker today with somewhat surprising results.



With about a third of the ballots posted, Capt. Overrated is still at 100 percent. But Larry Walker is at 84.6 percent and Curt Schilling at 80 percent. By no means certain, but that's a decent cushion. Bonds is at 75.4 percent and Clemens at 74.6 They're not getting in. It's then a huge drop off to Scott Rolen at 48 percent.



Newsday's Marcus and Anthony Rieber have the only Jeter-only ballots posted. Paul Daugherty of the Cincy Enquirer voted only for Jeter and Schilling. Jimmy Golen, whom I believe is a Boston AP writer, voted for Jeter and Walker. Christian Red of the News voted for Jeter and Omar Vizquel.



There are 42 voters with the maximum 10.

Edited January 5, 2020 by Guest

[seawolf17]

Cap'n Intangibles-only voters should have their privileges revoked. That's a load of crap.



He'll get in, and he should get in, but come on.

[bmfc1]

I would vote for one player and that player would be feted alone: Larry Walker.

Schilling can go F himself despite his greatness.

Bonds, Sosa and Clemens took themselves out of the running.

Jeter can wait a year like most people. He doesn't deserve to be first ballot, only entry.

[Ceetar]

Jeter is in the same ilk as Bonds/Sosa/Clemens *shrug*



but there's no such thing as 'first ballot' that's not a thing. you're in or you're out.

[Edgy MD]

Should I be understanding that Larry Walker is at 84.6% and that 8.46% is a typo?

[Guest 41Forever]

Edgy MD wrote: Should I be understanding that Larry Walker is at 84.6% and that 8.46% is a typo?

Good catch! Apologies to Mr. Walker.



I do wonder if the having only a third of the ballots publicly posted is a little low. Maybe some of these guys want to avoid the Twitter bashing that follows.

[G-Fafif]

The public ballots tend to overstate the impact of those voters who have causes. The silent majority (or perhaps plurality) who don't give a damn about Walker or can't deal with Bonds/Clemens inevitably brings the eye-popping percentages back toward earth, save for those of the first-time sure-thing types, of which Jeter is sadly among.

[Vic Sage]

my ballot:

Bonds

Clemens

Walker

Jeter



borderline:

Ramirez

Schilling

Wagner

Helton

Kent

Sosa

Sheffield



Their gloves keep them on the ballot:

Rolen

Jones

Vizquel



1 more year, then goodbye:

Pettite

Giambi



the rest are 1 and done:

Bobby Abreu

Paul Konerko

Alfonso Soriano

Raul Ibanez

Adam Dunn

Rafael Furcal

Brian Roberts

Eric Chavez

Carlos Pena

Chone Figgins

Brad Penny

Cliff Lee

Josh Beckett

Heath Bell

Jose Valverde

J.J. Putz

[nymr83]

welcome to the hall

Curt Schilling

Roger Clemens

Barry Bonds

Larry Walker

Sammy Sosa

Omar Vizquel

Scott Rolen



better luck next year

Derek Jeter (new) - the defense is so bad i just want him to wait a year so yankee fans can suffer.

Jason Giambi (new) - i'm not ready to say "no"

Bobby Abreu (new) - just a "compiler?"

Jeff Kent

Todd Helton

Gary Sheffield

Andruw Jones

Manny Ramirez

Billy Wagner





get off the ballot!

everyone else

Andy Pettite - the only returning candidate that i'm ready to give an immediate big fat "no" to.

[MFS62]

=bmfc1 post_id=29320 time=1578327929 user_id=73]
I would vote for one player and that player would be feted alone: Larry Walker.

Schilling can go F himself despite his greatness.

Bonds, Sosa and Clemens took themselves out of the running.

Jeter can wait a year like most people. He doesn't deserve to be first ballot, only entry.

[seawolf17]

Walker

Bonds

Clemens

Cap'n Intangibles

Ramirez

Wagner

Helton

Kent

Sosa

Sheffield



There is nobody good coming up next year, so some of these guys might get a little more support. I would *love* to see a "tainted" class of Bonds/Clemens/CI/Manny/Sosa. That would be amazing to lump Jeets in that group. But Walker should get in too.

[Ceetar]

Helton, Ramirez, Sosa, Wagner, Walker, Bonds, Sosa if you were asking me.



but of course, some of those would already be in if you were asking for my hall and not the BBWAA's.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Larry Walker away from Coors Field ... .282/.372/.500

Larry Walker at the ridiculous pre-humidor Coors Field LIFETIME... .381/.462/.710

[Ceetar]

you're penalized away from Coors after you play there.

[Guest 41Forever]

Walker

Schilling

Jeter (but no Re2pect)

Helton

Wagner

Vizquel

Rolen

[batmagadanleadoff]

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=29450 time=1578513369 user_id=68]
Larry Walker away from Coors Field ... .282/.372/.500

Larry Walker at the ridiculous pre-humidor Coors Field LIFETIME... .381/.462/.710

[batmagadanleadoff]

=Ceetar post_id=29451 time=1578513461 user_id=102]
you're penalized away from Coors after you play there.

[Ceetar]

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=29454 time=1578513615 user_id=68]
=Ceetar post_id=29451 time=1578513461 user_id=102]
you're penalized away from Coors after you play there.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Larry Walker away from Coors Field LIFETIME ... .282/.372/.500

Jim Edmonds LIFETIME .284/.376/.527

Moises Alou LIFETIME .303/.369/.516

Rusty Staub LIFETIME ... .279/.362/.431

Joe Torre LIFETIME ... .297/.365/.452

Frank Howard LIFETIME ... .273/.352/.499

John Olerud LIFETIME ... .296/.398/.465

Keith Hernandez LIFETIME ... .296/.384/.436

[batmagadanleadoff]

=Ceetar post_id=29455 time=1578513894 user_id=102]
=batmagadanleadoff post_id=29454 time=1578513615 user_id=68]
=Ceetar post_id=29451 time=1578513461 user_id=102]
you're penalized away from Coors after you play there.

[batmagadanleadoff]

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=29457 time=1578514347 user_id=68]
Larry Walker away from Coors Field LIFETIME ... .282/.372/.500

Jim Edmonds LIFETIME .284/.376/.527

Moises Alou LIFETIME .303/.369/.516

Rusty Staub LIFETIME ... .279/.362/.431

Joe Torre LIFETIME ... .297/.365/.452

Frank Howard LIFETIME ... .273/.352/.499

John Olerud LIFETIME ... .296/.398/.465

Keith Hernandez LIFETIME ... .296/.384/.436

[seawolf17]

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=29457 time=1578514347 user_id=68]
Larry Walker away from Coors Field LIFETIME ... .282/.372/.500

Jim Edmonds LIFETIME .284/.376/.527

Moises Alou LIFETIME .303/.369/.516

Rusty Staub LIFETIME ... .279/.362/.431

Joe Torre LIFETIME ... .297/.365/.452

Frank Howard LIFETIME ... .273/.352/.499

John Olerud LIFETIME ... .296/.398/.465

Keith Hernandez LIFETIME ... .296/.384/.436

[Ceetar]

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=29459 time=1578514550 user_id=68]
=Ceetar post_id=29455 time=1578513894 user_id=102]


It's literally harder to hit a curveball in any other stadium after you've played a series at Coors Field than it is if you're last series was in any other stadium.

[nymr83]

=seawolf17 post_id=29461 time=1578515238 user_id=91]
=batmagadanleadoff post_id=29457 time=1578514347 user_id=68]
Larry Walker away from Coors Field LIFETIME ... .282/.372/.500

Jim Edmonds LIFETIME .284/.376/.527

Moises Alou LIFETIME .303/.369/.516

Rusty Staub LIFETIME ... .279/.362/.431

Joe Torre LIFETIME ... .297/.365/.452

Frank Howard LIFETIME ... .273/.352/.499

John Olerud LIFETIME ... .296/.398/.465

Keith Hernandez LIFETIME ... .296/.384/.436

[Chad ochoseis]

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=29457 time=1578514347 user_id=68]
Larry Walker away from Coors Field LIFETIME ... .282/.372/.500

Jim Edmonds LIFETIME .284/.376/.527

Moises Alou LIFETIME .303/.369/.516

Rusty Staub LIFETIME ... .279/.362/.431

Joe Torre LIFETIME ... .297/.365/.452

Frank Howard LIFETIME ... .273/.352/.499

John Olerud LIFETIME ... .296/.398/.465

Keith Hernandez LIFETIME ... .296/.384/.436

[batmagadanleadoff]

I doubt it would make a meaningful difference. Nobody else played in a home stadium that inflated batting averages by 50, 60, 70 or 80 points.

[Guest 41Forever]

Chad ochoseis wrote: =batmagadanleadoff post_id=29457 time=1578514347 user_id=68] Larry Walker away from Coors Field LIFETIME ... .282/.372/.500 Jim Edmonds LIFETIME .284/.376/.527 Moises Alou LIFETIME .303/.369/.516 Rusty Staub LIFETIME ... .279/.362/.431 Joe Torre LIFETIME ... .297/.365/.452 Frank Howard LIFETIME ... .273/.352/.499 John Olerud LIFETIME ... .296/.398/.465 Keith Hernandez LIFETIME ... .296/.384/.436

Sure, Walker's stats are Coors inflated, but when you pull out Coors, you're pulling out his home stats from age 28-36. Those are likely to be the most productive ABs of any slugger's career, Coors or no Coors. A fair comparison would have to remove the age 28-36 home stats for the other players, too.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Chad ochoseis wrote: Larry Walker away from Coors Field LIFETIME ... .282/.372/.500 Jim Edmonds LIFETIME .284/.376/.527 Moises Alou LIFETIME .303/.369/.516 Rusty Staub LIFETIME ... .279/.362/.431 Joe Torre LIFETIME ... .297/.365/.452 Frank Howard LIFETIME ... .273/.352/.499 John Olerud LIFETIME ... .296/.398/.465 Keith Hernandez LIFETIME ... .296/.384/.436 Sure, Walker's stats are Coors inflated, but when you pull out Coors, you're pulling out his home stats from age 28-36. Those are likely to be the most productive ABs of any slugger's career, Coors or no Coors. A fair comparison would have to remove the age 28-36 home stats for the other players, too. I can understand holding a player's PED use against him. But I don't know if it's fair to penalize a player for the park he played in.

That's ridiculous. And no one's "penalizing" anybody in the first place. They're simply making sound numerical adjustments on the indisputable basis that a run generated In Coors Field isn't worth nearly as much as a run generated in any other baseball stadium.



Just like someone today making $50K a year doesn't have anything near the buying power Charlie Chaplin had in 1913 on his $10K a year.



It's one thing if you think Walker has a HOF case even adjusting for Coors, but to ignore Coors park factors is something else. That would be PENALIZING every non Coors player in a statistical comparison with Walker.

[bmfc1]

The known votes so far have Jeter in and Walker just missing.

https://twitter.com/Porlos411/status/1215506401000329217https://twitter.com/Porlos411/status/1215506401000329217

[seawolf17]

Come on, voters who don't believe in First Year Guys. We just need one.