2020 Vision: Yoenis Céspedes

[kcmets]

34, damaged goods and delusional. Sounds like a keeper to me.

[Frayed Knot]

So while the Player's Assoc was in on the Mets/Cespedes negotiations, they're filing a suit against the Yanx who are trying to get out of paying Jacoby Ellsbury in the final year of his deal - which certainly

makes it seem like the union is saying that there was more evidence of player liability in the Yoenis case than there is with Ellsbury. The Yanx are claiming that Ellsbury sought "unauthorized treatment"

sometime over the last year or so and therefore they want to convert the final year of his deal into a 'non-guaranteed' state. iow: they want to pay him NONE of it but they're going to have a fight on their

hands before they can do so.

[Ceetar]

I think plenty of it has to do with Cespedes' earning potential going forward, which is astronomically higher than Ellsbury.

[Centerfield]

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I think plenty of it has to do with Cespedes' earning potential going forward, which is astronomically higher than Ellsbury.

[Ceetar]

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=Ceetar post_id=28688 time=1576820219 user_id=102]
I think plenty of it has to do with Cespedes' earning potential going forward, which is astronomically higher than Ellsbury.

[kcmets]

If the plan is to eventually move Yoenis, my guess is it would be in

July and not January. BwdIk?

[Lefty Specialist]

Cespedes' value is minimal until he proves he can, you know, actually play the game again. Trading him now you'd get nothing for him in return. I'm OK with seeing if he's got anything left. I'm guessing he'll only be able to play half the time, leaving plenty of AB's for JD Davis, and either way having a power bat off the bench. If it looks like Cespedes can't play the field with any regularity, you gear up to trade him to the AL to DH and take what you can get.

[Edgy MD]

I bet they can get Mo Vaughn for him.



My prediction is something akin to Moisés Alou's Met days. Partial season, still able to wreck it with the bat, but looking at all times like a guy who shouldn't be on his feet.



70 games, .291 10 homers, 33 RBI.



If they're going to trade him, I don't necessarily mind selling low. As much damage as the guy can do, I have more confidence right now in Dominic Davis as my left fielder. It'll be like Shamsky and Swoboda in right in 1969 with Marisnick playing the part of Gaspar. Or something.

[Lefty Specialist]

If those legs are serviceable (a big if), he could hit 20 in part-time duty and be a weapon off the bench. He'll be motivated after taking that massive pay cut, and restructuring it to provide incentives was well done. Spring training will be the test. If he looks at least competent in the field, then he's an asset- remember he's still got a cannon for an arm. He'll hit; remember the last time we saw him he came back after a few weeks off, played one game against the Yankees and homered, then went on the DL for a year and a half. So if he's able to make it to the plate, he'll hit.

[Frayed Knot]

I think plenty of it has to do with Cespedes' earning potential going forward, which is astronomically higher than Ellsbury. I'd be willing to bet it has nothing to do with that. Sure, because it's not like the Players Association doesn't wait until you 'make it' and prove you're going to make money to give a shit about you? Why would it be different on the other side?

This is absurd. Like the association's go-to move is to tell players to cast aside 20 million previously negotiated bucks since they'll have the chance to maybe get it back later.



Look, both Cespedes & Ellsbury are essentially in the same boat: both have "made it" - as in millions of dollars for their careers, but they're also 34 & 36 y/o, coming off multiple seasons of

missed time, and aren't guaranteed a fucking dime past this season. The logical conclusion is that the facts and circumstances in one case aren't the same as in the other.

- The union worked w/YC during his arbitration process with the Mets presumably to get him some of his 2019 money (about 1/3?) plus the chance to make more of it back via incentive clauses

in 2020

- In Ellsbury's case there is no question about an injury, only in the Yanx trying to make the entire final year of his contract disappear over "unauthorized treatment" which the other party denies even

happened. Also probably doesn't help that the MFY seemingly try to pull this act more than anyone else, particularly when one of their high-priced signings goes south -- ARod & Giambi, plus various

foreign players about whom the team shocked, SHOCKED, to discover that there might be an age discrepancy only after said player doesn't turn out to be what their genius system projected.

[smg58]

I figure that the Yankees realized that Ellsbury was willing/able to play this year, which meant that insurance wouldn't cover any of his salary, so they tried something desperate. Like I said in a different thread, voiding the contract over unauthorized treatment only makes sense if Ellsbury's actions made him lose more time (like Cespedes' actions did).



So Cespedes basically flushed 35 million dollars down the toilet by doing something he had to know his contract didn't allow. (That or his agent at the time was comically incompetent, but we'll stick with the former for sanity's sake.) I realize he still has plenty of money, but Jesus Christ he flushed 35 million dollars down the toilet.



I don't see Cespedes playing any place other than DH, although I suspect he's healthy enough to do that much. If an AL wants him for his current price, I see no reason not to talk trade.

[Ceetar]

I still haven't seen any convincing argument for why he wouldn't have recovered from his surgery.

[kcmets]

Surgery X2, plus the 'gopher hole' incident.

[Frayed Knot]

=Ceetar post_id=28742 time=1576899964 user_id=102]
I still haven't seen any convincing argument for why he wouldn't have recovered from his surgery.

[ashie62]

Same medical issue as Troy Tulowitzki, same result expected from Cespedes

[kcmets]

=ashie62 post_id=28925 time=1577141336 user_id=90]Same medical issue as Troy Tulowitzki, same result expected from Cespedes

[Frayed Knot]

https://nypost.com/2019/12/28/the-evidence-yoenis-cespedes-could-make-mets-comeback-valuable/Jose Sherman talks about players who have had big HR years following a long amount of missed time -- for suspensions, for retirements, for injuries -- as a basis of comparison to what Cespedes

is trying to do (and is already talking about doing).

[whippoorwill]

I hope he can make a big comeback

[batmagadanleadoff]

Frayed Knot wrote: https://nypost.com/2019/12/28/the-evidence-yoenis-cespedes-could-make-mets-comeback-valuable/Jose Sherman talks about players who have had big HR years following a long amount of missed time -- for suspensions, for retirements, for injuries -- as a basis of comparison to what Cespedes is trying to do (and is already talking about doing).

Also, Tony Conigliaro came back after missing a season and a half to hit 20 and then 36 HR's in his first seasons back from his famous beaming. Tony was a lot younger, though.

[G-Fafif]

Whoever had “trying to tame wild boar” wins the pot.



https://nypost.com/2020/01/03/yoenis-cespedes-ankle-fractures-came-during-incident-with-wild-boar/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttonshttps://nypost.com/2020/01/03/yoenis-cespedes-ankle-fractures-came-during-incident-with-wild-boar/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons

[kcmets]

Tabloid Cover Derby (TCDX) is up 4.7% in after-hours trading.

Edited January 3, 2020 by Guest

[Frayed Knot]

=G-Fafif post_id=29246 time=1578094819 user_id=55]
Whoever had “trying to tame wild boar” wins the pot.

[whippoorwill]

I'm starting to wonder if baseball is his first choice of pastime

[Fman99]

We use the phrase "tame the wild boar" upstairs, in the boudoir.

[Lefty Specialist]

I root for the weirdest fucking team in baseball. I swear to God.

[G-Fafif]

Tabloid Cover Derby (TCDX) is up 4.7% in after-hours trading.

https://twitter.com/metsbackpage1/status/1213286275148636167?s=21https://twitter.com/metsbackpage1/status/1213286275148636167?s=21

[kcmets]

Lmfao!

[Edgy MD]

“trying to tame wild boar”

I used to have a girlfriend who called it that.



Of course, the next obvious question is, if it was so morally neutral as all that, why has that detail been embargoed for six months?





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[bmfc1]

From The Post's article:

[bLOCKQUOTE]Kyle Thousand, Cespedes' agent, declined comment to The Post on Friday afternoon.[/bLOCKQUOTE]

That's a real name?

[G-Fafif]

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From The Post's article:

[bLOCKQUOTE]Kyle Thousand, Cespedes' agent, declined comment to The Post on Friday afternoon.[/bLOCKQUOTE]

That's a real name?