Vic Sage Old-Timey Member Posted January 22, 2019 Posted January 22, 2019 Here is the full list of 2019 Oscar nominations:Best Picture:“Black Panther”“BlacKkKlansman”“Bohemian Rhapsody”“The Favourite”“Green Book”“Roma”“A Star Is Born”“Vice”Lead Actor:Christian Bale, “Vice”Bradley Cooper, “A Star Is Born”Willem Dafoe, “At Eternity's Gate”Rami Malek, “Bohemian Rhapsody”Viggo Mortensen, “Green Book”Lead Actress:Yalitza Aparicio, “Roma”Glenn Close, “The Wife”Olivia Colman, “The Favourite”Lady Gaga, “A Star Is Born”Melissa McCarthy, “Can You Ever Forgive Me?”Supporting Actor:Mahershala Ali, “Green Book”Adam Driver, “BlacKkKlansman”Sam Elliott, “A Star Is Born”Richard E. Grant, “Can You Ever Forgive Me?”Sam Rockwell, “Vice”Supporting Actress:Amy Adams, “Vice”Marina de Tavira, “Roma”Regina King, “If Beale Street Could Talk”Emma Stone, “The Favourite”Rachel Weisz, “The Favourite”Director:Spike Lee, “BlacKkKlansman”Pawel Pawlikowski, “Cold War”Yorgos Lanthimos, “The Favourite”Alfonso Cuarón, “Roma”Adam McKay, “Vice”Animated Feature:“Incredibles 2,” Brad Bird“Isle of Dogs,” Wes Anderson“Mirai,” Mamoru Hosoda“Ralph Breaks the Internet,” Rich Moore, Phil Johnston“Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse,” Bob Persichetti, Peter Ramsey, Rodney RothmanAnimated Short:“Animal Behaviour,” Alison Snowden, David Fine“Bao,” Domee Shi“Late Afternoon,” Louise Bagnall“One Small Step,” Andrew Chesworth, Bobby Pontillas“Weekends,” Trevor JimenezAdapted Screenplay:“The Ballad of Buster Scruggs,” Joel Coen , Ethan Coen“BlacKkKlansman,” Charlie Wachtel, David Rabinowitz, Kevin Willmott, Spike Lee“Can You Ever Forgive Me?,” Nicole Holofcener and Jeff Whitty“If Beale Street Could Talk,” Barry Jenkins“A Star Is Born,” Eric Roth, Bradley Cooper, Will FettersOriginal Screenplay:“The Favourite,” Deborah Davis, Tony McNamara“First Reformed,” Paul Schrader“Green Book,” Nick Vallelonga, Brian Currie, Peter Farrelly“Roma,” Alfonso Cuarón“Vice,” Adam McKayCinematography:“Cold War,” Lukasz Zal“The Favourite,” Robbie Ryan“Never Look Away,” Caleb Deschanel“Roma,” Alfonso Cuarón“A Star Is Born,” Matthew LibatiqueBest Documentary Feature:“Free Solo,” Jimmy Chin, Elizabeth Chai Vasarhelyi“Hale County This Morning, This Evening,” RaMell Ross“Minding the Gap,” Bing Liu“Of Fathers and Sons,” Talal Derki“RBG,” Betsy West, Julie CohenBest Documentary Short Subject:“Black Sheep,” Ed Perkins“End Game,” Rob Epstein, Jeffrey Friedman“Lifeboat,” Skye Fitzgerald“A Night at the Garden,” Marshall Curry“Period. End of Sentence.,” Rayka ZehtabchiBest Live Action Short Film: “Detainment,” Vincent Lambe“Fauve,” Jeremy Comte“Marguerite,” Marianne Farley“Mother,” Rodrigo Sorogoyen“Skin,” Guy NattivBest Foreign Language Film:“Capernaum” (Lebanon)“Cold War” (Poland)“Never Look Away” (Germany)“Roma” (Mexico)“Shoplifters” (Japan)Film Editing:“BlacKkKlansman,” Barry Alexander Brown“Bohemian Rhapsody,” John Ottman“Green Book,” Patrick J. Don Vito“The Favourite,” Yorgos Mavropsaridis“Vice,” Hank CorwinSound Editing:“Black Panther,” Benjamin A. Burtt, Steve Boeddeker“Bohemian Rhapsody,” John Warhurst“First Man,” Ai-Ling Lee, Mildred Iatrou Morgan“A Quiet Place,” Ethan Van der Ryn, Erik Aadahl“Roma,” Sergio Diaz, Skip LievsaySound Mixing:“Black Panther”“Bohemian Rhapsody”“First Man”“Roma”“A Star Is Born”Production Design:“Black Panther,” Hannah Beachler“First Man,” Nathan Crowley, Kathy Lucas“The Favourite,” Fiona Crombie, Alice Felton“Mary Poppins Returns,” John Myhre, Gordon Sim“Roma,” Eugenio Caballero, Bárbara Enrı́quezOriginal Score:“BlacKkKlansman,” Terence Blanchard“Black Panther,” Ludwig Goransson“If Beale Street Could Talk,” Nicholas Britell“Isle of Dogs,” Alexandre Desplat“Mary Poppins Returns,” Marc Shaiman, Scott WittmanOriginal Song:“All The Stars” from “Black Panther” by Kendrick Lamar, SZA“I'll Fight” from “RBG” by Diane Warren, Jennifer Hudson“The Place Where Lost Things Go” from “Mary Poppins Returns” by Marc Shaiman, Scott Wittman“Shallow” from “A Star Is Born” by Lady Gaga, Mark Ronson, Anthony Rossomando, Andrew Wyatt and Benjamin Rice“When A Cowboy Trades His Spurs For Wings” from “The Ballad of Buster Scruggs” by David Rawlings and Gillian WelchMakeup and Hair:“Border”“Mary Queen of Scots”“Vice”Costume Design:“The Ballad of Buster Scruggs,” Mary Zophres“Black Panther,” Ruth E. Carter“The Favourite,” Sandy Powell“Mary Poppins Returns,” Sandy Powell“Mary Queen of Scots,” Alexandra ByrneVisual Effects:“Avengers: Infinity War”“Christopher Robin”“First Man”“Ready Player One”“Solo: A Star Wars Story
Vic Sage Old-Timey Member Posted January 22, 2019 Author Posted January 22, 2019 I've seen virtually none of these films, except BLACK PANTHER, MARY POPPINS, RBG, and most of the visual effects and animated feature nominees.
Frayed Knot Old-Timey Member Posted January 22, 2019 Posted January 22, 2019 Usually I just don't get around to seeing most of the nominated flicks, at least not in time to have a pre-award opinion. And that's certainly on me.But it's tough to remember a year in which I just plain had so little interest in seeing most of them.“Black Panther” -- heard it's good, but I always hear superhero movies are good and I always like them less than seemingly the rest of the planet“BlacKkKlansman” -- Actually have the DVD at home so this will be the first one I get to. True story, interesting subject ... so why do I get the opinion it's going to be simplistically one dimensional “Bohemian Rhapsody” -- oooh, a bio-pic about a guy who died young. And to make it authentic we gave the actor fake teeth!“The Favourite” -- high society ladies being mean and manipulative towards each other. Next!“Green Book” -- put two strangers in a confined area over a period of time and they'll both iron out their polar opposite differences and solve racism at the same time. OK, it's probably better than that but that was my opinion upon first seeing the trailer some six months ago and I'm having a hard time shaking it.“Roma” -- ton of critical acclaim although I don't know the first thing about it“A Star Is Born” -- if you see just one fourth remake this year ...“Vice” -- looks cartoonishly and gratuitously nasty
Frayed Knot Old-Timey Member Posted January 23, 2019 Posted January 23, 2019 Also, since the standard for lead actor/actress vs supporting has long been the above the title/below the title billing, how did they decide that Viggo Mortensen is nominated for best actor while Mahershala Ali is designated in the supporting category?https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMjMyNzExNzQ5OV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwNjM2MjIxNjM@._V1_UX182_CR0,0,182,268_AL_.jpg>I haven't seen the movie so I'm not sure how things like screen time or amount of dialog plays out, but it certainly seems to be billed and sold as a two star flick.
Frayed Knot Old-Timey Member Posted January 23, 2019 Posted January 23, 2019 Also, since the standard for lead actor/actress vs supporting has long been the above the title/below the title billing, how did they decide that Viggo Mortensen is nominated for best actor while Mahershala Ali is designated in the supporting category?https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMjMyNzExNzQ5OV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwNjM2MjIxNjM@._V1_SY1000_CR0,0,631,1000_AL_.jpg>I haven't seen the movie so I'm not sure how things like screen time or amount of dialog plays out, but it certainly seems to be billed and sold as a two star flick.And, yes, the image is much bigger than it needs to be but I can't change it
cal sharpie Old-Timey Member Posted January 23, 2019 Posted January 23, 2019 Of the Best Picture nominees:“Black Panther” - Not a fan of superhero movies. I'll probably get around to it.“BlacKkKlansman” - Not bad but not great. Nice that Spike Lee got a nomination but it's no DO THE RIGHT THING or MALCOLM X.“Bohemian Rhapsody” - No interest. Biopics are so not my thing.“The Favourite” - I liked it. The three women are all great especially Olivia Colman. “Green Book” - No interest. “Roma” - Really great. A few of the scenes of this movie are as good as anything I've seen in years. My choice.“A Star Is Born” - No, just no.“Vice” - I'd like to see it, will probably get around to it one day.
Vic Sage Old-Timey Member Posted January 23, 2019 Author Posted January 23, 2019 I have no interest in any of them (other than BP, which I've seen). I guess, eventually, I'll catch BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY and A STAR IS BORN on cable/Netflix (or a plane), because my wife wants to see them. Maybe VICE, too. But the others sound duller than dishwater.
seawolf17 Old-Timey Member Posted January 23, 2019 Posted January 23, 2019 Frayed Knot wrote:Also, since the standard for lead actor/actress vs supporting has long been the above the title/below the title billing, how did they decide that Viggo Mortensen is nominated for best actor while Mahershala Ali is designated in the supporting category?https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMjMyNzExNzQ5OV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwNjM2MjIxNjM@._V1_UX182_CR0,0,182,268_AL_.jpg>I haven't seen the movie so I'm not sure how things like screen time or amount of dialog plays out, but it certainly seems to be billed and sold as a two star flick.Because he's driving and Mahershala is just *sitting there.* Slacker.
Frayed Knot Old-Timey Member Posted January 23, 2019 Posted January 23, 2019 So my initial reaction is -- again having not actually seen any of these yet but seeing them often hinders your predictions more than it helps:- Roma wins the picture + director exacta- Bale for best actor. Yeah he's won before (supporting) but here he's making Dick Cheney look bad and everyone likes that.- Glenn Close has never won despite several nominations so here she gets her first/lifetime achievement award- Probably Adam Driver for Klansman and Regina King/Beale Street in the supporting categories as the two chicks from Favourite cancel each other out- Not sure yet about the screenplays, so I'll say Klansman in adapted before they dig deep for First Reformed in the original
Frayed Knot Old-Timey Member Posted January 23, 2019 Posted January 23, 2019 So my initial reaction is -- again having not actually seen any of these yet but seeing them often hinders your predictions more than it helps:- Roma wins the picture + director exacta- Bale for best actor. Yeah he's won before (supporting) but here he's making Dick Cheney look bad and everyone likes that.- Glenn Close has never won despite several nominations so here she gets her first/lifetime achievement award- Probably Adam Driver for Klansman and Regina King/Beale Street in the supporting categories as the two chicks from Favourite cancel each other out- Not sure yet about the screenplays, so I'll say Klansman in adapted before they dig deep for First Reformed in the original
MFS62 Old-Timey Member Posted January 30, 2019 Posted January 30, 2019 Emily Blunt won SAG best supporting actress award for her performance in A Quiet Place and wasn't even nominated by the Academy. While blockbuster superhero films are getting recognized, "horror" movies are still waiting for a chance.Later
Johnny Lunchbucket Old-Timey Member Posted January 30, 2019 Posted January 30, 2019 We saw The Favourite over the weekend.Very good performances, great look and very funny for a period piece. 18th century lesbians. Probably 10 minutes too long
Vic Sage Old-Timey Member Posted January 30, 2019 Author Posted January 30, 2019 Emily Blunt won SAG best supporting actress award for her performance in A Quiet Place and wasn't even nominated by the Academy. While blockbuster superhero films are getting recognized, "horror" movies are still waiting for a chance.Latersupermovies have 1 nomination for best picture...That's for BLACK PANTHER this year. While i totally agree that horror films have been woefully underrepresented, particularly in best picture category, they have waaaay more best picture nominations than superhero movies, with THE EXORCIST (1973), GHOST (1990), SIXTH SENSE (1999) and GET OUT (2017), and, depending on how you define horror, you could also include JAWS (1975) and SILENCE OF THE LAMBS (1991). No horror film has won BEST PICTURE, but there have been 60 horror films nominated for oscars in other categories (compares to about 26 superhero films), and 16 have won Oscars (compared to 4). i do think Emily Blunt got screwed for A QUIET PLACE, and that horror films got particularly overlooked this year, when i would include in my own top 10 not only A QUIET PLACE, but ANNIHILATION (which could be categorized as SF instead), and HEREDITARY. I liked BIRD BOX, too.
Edgy MD Site Manager Posted January 30, 2019 Posted January 30, 2019 Vic Sage wrote:depending on how you define horror, you could also include JAWS (1975) and SILENCE OF THE LAMBS (1991). No horror film has won BEST PICTURE ...Well, The Silence of the Lambs won. You don't really have to stretch any definitions to file it under horror at all. And it not only won best picture, but became only the third film to sweep all five major categories.
LWFS Old-Timey Member Posted January 30, 2019 Posted January 30, 2019 Disagree STRONGLY on the blindfoldy bid'ness. Bird Box felt just like A Quiet Place, minus the thoughtful writing, expert sound design, and emotional impact.Haven't seen Green Book, but trusted friends tell me it's in the The Help/Driving Miss Daisy vein. Bohemian Rhapsody was flat; the best parts were basically extended Queen lip synchs.
Johnny Lunchbucket Old-Timey Member Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 I felt Bird Box was the stupidest movie I'd seen in a long time
cal sharpie Old-Timey Member Posted February 1, 2019 Posted February 1, 2019 Ditto on BIRD BOX. A QUIET PLACE was a much better film. I don't really think it deserves an Oscar, though, nor do I think horror or superhero films have been cheated of Oscars - can't really think of any that deserved it. Didn't really think SILENCE OF THE LAMBS was worthy either but whatever.Off topic but not sure how that picture of a bag shows up as my avatar.
Vic Sage Old-Timey Member Posted February 1, 2019 Author Posted February 1, 2019 Edgy MD wrote:Vic Sage wrote:depending on how you define horror, you could also include JAWS (1975) and SILENCE OF THE LAMBS (1991). No horror film has won BEST PICTURE ...Well, The Silence of the Lambs won. You don't really have to stretch any definitions to file it under horror at all. And it not only won best picture, but became only the third film to sweep all five major categories.In my view, serial killer movies can be regarded as thrillers, or action films, or mysteries, or suspense films, but not necessarily horror films, unless the psychopath in question has some sort of supernatural aspect, quality or dimension. I understand that many definitions of the horror genre include non-supernatural thrillers about serial killing psychopaths, but I happen to disagree. There is a reason that works in the horror genre in every media are generally grouped together with SF and Fantasy, rather than suspense, or mystery, or thrillers. If the only criteria for "horror" is a work that intends to scare you, then that could include half the films ever made, and when a definition is that broad, it fails to be useful. What distinguishes a work of horror from any other that might put its protagonist in mortal danger, or uses some similar narrative device to evoke fear in the viewer, is the supernatural element.For example, many point to PSYCHO as the first (or at least most influential) slasher/horror film. I disagree. Until that point, Hitchcock was the "master of suspense," not horror, and he reached his apotheosis with PSYCHO. But for Hitch's horror film, you have to look to THE BIRDS, which offers a terrifying vision of a small town enduring a protracted and organized attack by birds for no reason, implying some unnatural situation in which birds can think and coordinate and seek vengeance for a crime only they are aware of. If all it takes to be a horror film is an attempt to induce fear or dread, then just about every film Hitch ever made was a horror film, and he should be rechristened "the master of horror" rather than suspense.Under the supernatural definition then, if you consider the shark in JAWS or Hannibal Lechter in SILENCE to have a quasi-supernatural dimension, rather than being merely a realistically depicted shark or psychopath (and I can see an argument for that), then its HORROR. If not, they could be considered suspense, or thrillers, or actioners, or even dramas, rather than examples of the horror genre.
Frayed Knot Old-Timey Member Posted February 6, 2019 Posted February 6, 2019 cal sharpie wrote:“BlacKkKlansman” - Not bad but not great.That pretty much sums it up for me as well. But Oscar material, or top prize at Cannes? ... just not seeing it that way myself.Also, not that I expect 'based on a true story' to actually be the true and unaltered story, but there were a bunch of things in this flick that made me say "Really? ... it happened like that?"
Frayed Knot Old-Timey Member Posted February 24, 2019 Posted February 24, 2019 Frayed Knot wrote:- Roma wins the picture + director exacta- Bale for best actor. Yeah he's won before (supporting) but here he's making Dick Cheney look bad and everyone likes that.- Glenn Close has never won despite several nominations so here she gets her first/lifetime achievement award- Probably Adam Driver for Klansman and Regina King/Beale Street in the supporting categories as the two chicks from Favourite cancel each other out- Not sure yet about the screenplays, so I'll say Klansman in adapted before they dig deep for First Reformed in the originalGoing to change the two Actor awards from my earlier predictions: Freddie Mercury guy is going to win Best Actor, not Bale, and I'm gong with Richard E. Grant for Supporting.But I'm sticking with my initial guesses in the other categories.I also predict that I'm not going to watch. Not much of it anyway.
MFS62 Old-Timey Member Posted February 24, 2019 Posted February 24, 2019 Vic Sage wrote:For example, many point to PSYCHO as the first (or at least most influential) slasher/horror film. I disagree. Until that point, Hitchcock was the "master of suspense," not horror, and he reached his apotheosis with PSYCHO. But for Hitch's horror film, you have to look to THE BIRDS, which offers a terrifying vision of a small town enduring a protracted and organized attack by birds for no reason, implying some unnatural situation in which birds can think and coordinate and seek vengeance for a crime only they are aware of. If all it takes to be a horror film is an attempt to induce fear or dread, then just about every film Hitch ever made was a horror film, and he should be rechristened "the master of horror" rather than suspense.Well done.Later
MFS62 Old-Timey Member Posted February 24, 2019 Posted February 24, 2019 Frayed Knot wrote:I also predict that I'm not going to watch. Not much of it anyway.Because there will be no host, so no opening host monologue this year, the show will open (according to some sources but not confirmed) with a musical number in which Queen, with Adam Lambert singing lead, will perform.I'll probably turn it off after that.Later
RealityChuck Old-Timey Member Posted February 25, 2019 Posted February 25, 2019 The lack of a host was a good idea. Instead of the host coming on for irrelevant "humourous" bits that extended the show, they kept everything moving; it was the tightest Oscar telecast in years, and that was after they allowed the Best Actor/Actress winners ramble on for far more time than usual (I think they were worrying that they might finish too early).I only saw a handful of the films, so I can't comment on Green Book, but I can see the objections. In a year where cultural representation was big,* it's surprising the Academy was willing to go for it. Still, most of the other films had their "flaws," while Green Book worked as a well-made film with a message, something the Academy has always loved.It's also due to a flaw in the voting method. The Academy uses a simple plurality of votes. When you have eight films, that means a film could theoretically win with only 13% of the vote. If it gets 25%, it's a shoo-in. But that means 75% of the voters thought another film was better. So it's quite likely a majority of the academy understood the issues with Green Book, but the minority that didn't were enough to vote it in.Here are the "flaws" that voters might have caused them to vote for Green Book (Note: I am not necessarily agreeing with these, just showing the thinking involved)“Black Panther” -- superhero film“BlacKkKlansman” -- Spike Lee is something of a polarizing figure.“Bohemian Rhapsody” -- Queen and Freddy Mercury don't mean much to many in the academy. Mercury's sexuality also might be an issue.“The Favourite” -- too bawdy“Green Book”“Roma” -- isn't based on a strong plot (silly reason) and isn't in English. IIRC, no foreign language film has ever won.“A Star Is Born” -- The third remake of the story. I don't think a remake has ever won.“Vice” -- too political (and events were too recent).Remember, it doesn't take a lot of voters to be turned off to a film for any of these reasons. I think that Green Book will go into history as a bad choice, but then, some movies people think were bad choices were really quite good ones.*It was the main reason that Black Panther was so well regarded. I think it's great that there was a Black superhero and the way the characters were portrayed (when they were portrayed as anything other than punching machines) was a step forward, but the story was as cliched and predictable as any other superhero film (if you wonder why Oscar doesn't like them, it's because they all have the same plot). It's the Jackie Robinson of superhero films -- if Jackie Robinson couldn't hit above the Mendoza line.
Edgy MD Site Manager Posted February 25, 2019 Posted February 25, 2019 =RealityChuck post_id=3400 time=1551107235 user_id=82]“Bohemian Rhapsody” -- Queen and Freddy Mercury don't mean much to many in the academy.
cal sharpie Old-Timey Member Posted February 25, 2019 Posted February 25, 2019 I agree that it was a more watchable event than recent years.Delighted that Olivia Colman won. She's been great in everything I've seen her in.Haven't seen or want to see Green Book. From what I have seen I can't imagine it better than Roma, The Favourite or Black Panther.
Frayed Knot Old-Timey Member Posted February 25, 2019 Posted February 25, 2019 Saw roughly the front half of it. Agreed that the non-host wasn't even an issue and probably helped in some ways. None of the lame pre-planned bits (selfies, people off the street, etc) which seem overly-forced.I have fun making predictions and am often right considering I only sometimes have seen the movies, but here I thought Glenn Close was the biggest lock of the night.Spike got his screenplay win but loses best picture to a black/white driver/passenger movie for the second time: Do The Right Thing/Driving Miss Daisy and now Klansman/Green Book
Edgy MD Site Manager Posted February 26, 2019 Posted February 26, 2019 I didn't see it. And so, while I have no particular stake in a host vs. a non-host, I think it's amazing that Hollywood has thrown up its hands in trying to figure out which entertainer people might find entertaining.I mean, what was going on around the table the year they came up with Alec Baldwin?
RealityChuck Old-Timey Member Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 Edgy MD wrote:=RealityChuck post_id=3400 time=1551107235 user_id=82]“Bohemian Rhapsody” -- Queen and Freddy Mercury don't mean much to many in the academy.I think Bryan Singer's sexuality was a whole lot more problematic.I certainly hope so.
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