Hey Mr. Wilson... Ramos!

[bmfc1]

Welcome to Flushing Wilson Ramos.
2.4 WAR. No big trade, just $.
https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1433&position=C
[tweet:1wvdzcyx]https://twitter.com/martinonyc/status/1074420089842216960[/tweet:1wvdzcyx]

[metirish]

Much better than trading players

[Mex17]

metirish wrote: Much better than trading players

And draft picks.

If this is true, then my very strong suspicion is that Pollock is next.

Defense is a concern here, is it not?

[smg58]

Not a major concern, but he’s not as good with the glove as Realmuto or Grandal. Still, given the Marlins asking price for a Realmuto, this is a steal.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Reportedly two years, $19 million.

I approve! And now we can stop talking about JT Realmuto. And hopefully Noah Syndergaard too, at least in the context that we've been talking recently.

[Mex17]

And you can subtract around $3 million off the $9.5 million for Ramos once they cut d'Arnaud loose before Opening Day.

Still money to play with. Pollock and a veteran loogy (one out of Blevins/Sipp/Perez/Wilson) are next.

[Mex17]

And the two years aligns perfectly with when Realmuto is out there as a free agent going into his age 30 season.

Suck on that, Jeter.

[ashie62]

Yeah!!!

Sandy couldn't have done any of there things? What a younger man can do

[Edgy MD]

He couldn't have? Did he not work Sundays?

Pretty cool that Ramos comes without surrendering a compensation pick.

[MFS62]

Welcome to Flushing Wilson Ramos. 2.4 WAR. No big trade, just $. https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1433&position=C [tweet]https://twitter.com/martinonyc/status/1074420089842216960[/tweet]

Waitaminnit!
Who is Wilson Ramon?
What position does he play?
Oh, wait, it IS the catcher.
So, there's only one thing left to say, "Fuck you, Jeter".

Later

[Mex17]

Welcome to Flushing Wilson Ramos. 2.4 WAR. No big trade, just $. https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1433&position=C [tweet]https://twitter.com/martinonyc/status/1074420089842216960[/tweet] Waitaminnit! Who is Wilson Ramon? What position does he play? Oh, wait, it IS the catcher. So, there's only one thing left to say, "Fuck you, Jeter". Later

I thought that he wrestled?

[Centerfield]

I like this move. I get that Realmuto and Grandal are better, but the price is too high on JT, and Grandal wanted four years.

Totally ok with this.

And we still have Syndergaard, who we can use to trade for a LOOGY.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Centerfield wrote: I like this move. I get that Realmuto and Grandal are better, but the price is too high on JT, and Grandal wanted four years. Totally ok with this. And we still have Syndergaard, who we can use to trade for a LOOGY.

Still not any less Brodieleery?

[Frayed Knot]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Reportedly two years, $19 million.

A bigger and longer package than I expected he'd get and a BIG risk considering his age (32 next August), position, size (claims 6' 1" - 245), and injury history (avg of 92 Games/331 ABs played from 2011-18).
He's reached 450 PAs just twice in his career [2015, 16], sports a below average walk rate [.044 career], and there's that 76 OPS+ he rung up for 2014-15 combined that I'd hate to see repeat itself in Queens.

On the other hand, the upside is pretty decent too [118 OPS+ for 2017-18] so this could wind up as an Asdrubal-like good signing, or a total disaster, or anywhere in between.
I mean, I guess you could argue that all deals have that kind of risk/reward potential, but the extremes seem to be more in play on this one as compared to most.

[Centerfield]

I am. If I judge him by his actions and not the rumors, he’s only made one bad move.

If I judge him by the rumors he’s a moron.

Clearly it’s unfair to do the latter. No one had Ramos on their radar. Familia either. I wonder how much validity any of these rumors have.

[Frayed Knot]

Frayed Knot wrote: ... but the extremes seem to be more in play on this one as compared to most.

What may also be more in play with this one as compared to most is the 'pending physical' thing.

[Lefty Specialist]

Much better than trading good players. Now keep working, BVW.

[Guest Rockin' Doc]

I like this signing. The Mets definitely needed an upgrade at catcher. There is no guarantee that this will work out, but if he can put up numbers (similar to what he has done the past 3 seasons) it will be a huge upgrade over what we have received from D'Arnaud. Not to mention D'Arnaud's less than stellar defense and history of injury. Best of all, this deal didn't cost Syndergaard, Conforto, Nimmo, Rosario or prospects. Hopefully, this will end talk of trading Syndergaard.

[Guest d'Kong76]

Lefty Specialist wrote: Much better than trading good players.

Pretty much where I'm at.

Surprised by weekend move. I was going to say yesterday I was starting to feel
like everything would be back-burnered until after New Year.

[RealityChuck]

Great pickup. Now the team has filled two of their major holes. Just need a center fielder.

They'll probably not look for a first baseman and hope that Alonso is all he's cracked up to be.

[nymr83]

Frayed Knot wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: Reportedly two years, $19 million. A bigger and longer package than I expected he'd get and a BIG risk considering his age (32 next August), position, size (claims 6' 1" - 245), and injury history (avg of 92 Games/331 ABs played from 2011-18). He's reached 450 PAs just twice in his career [2015, 16], sports a below average walk rate [.044 career], and there's that 76 OPS+ he rung up for 2014-15 combined that I'd hate to see repeat itself in Queens. On the other hand, the upside is pretty decent too [118 OPS+ for 2017-18] so this could wind up as an Asdrubal-like good signing, or a total disaster, or anywhere in between. I mean, I guess you could argue that all deals have that kind of risk/reward potential, but the extremes seem to be more in play on this one as compared to most.

I like the signing, its hard to imagine 2 years 19 million as a TOTAL disaster - "total disasters" require a 3 year minimum commitment!

[Guest Mets Willets Point]

Do we do the Phish chant now?

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[Mex17]

Wasn't Ramos once a Mets farmhand who they let get away to the Nats in the Rule V Draft? Or am I thinking of somebody else?

[smg58]

="Frayed Knot”] A bigger and longer package than I expected he'd get and a BIG risk considering his age (32 next August), position, size (claims 6' 1" - 245), and injury history (avg of 92 Games/331 ABs played from 2011-18).

[Frayed Knot]

Nymr83 wrote: I like the signing, its hard to imagine 2 years 19 million as a TOTAL disaster - "total disasters" require a 3 year minimum commitment!

If he misses half the season or more in either or both of these next two years (as he did in 2012, 2013, 2014, & 2017 when he averaged 64 GP/season), and/or he puts up a .275 OBA w/a total
of 26 HRs in 800+ ABs (as he did in 2014 + 2015), then there's going to be a whole lotta bitching about why BVW convinced the Wilpons to cough up nearly $10 million a year on a very large,
very slow, oft-injured catcher on the wrong side of 30.

[Frayed Knot]

Mex17 wrote: Wasn't Ramos once a Mets farmhand who they let get away to the Nats in the Rule V Draft? Or am I thinking of somebody else?

Ramos was never NYM property.
Signed originally by Minnesota out of Venezuela, the then-2nd place Twins dealt Ramos, then stuck behind Joe Mauer, to the Nats for reliever Matt Capps at the 2010 July 31st deadline.
The Twinkies wound up winning their division that year with Capps saving 16 games over the final two month but then -- repeat after me folks -- lost to the Yanx in three straight in the opening round.
Capps next two seasons weren't nearly as successful and he pitched his last ML game at the age of 28 in 2012 and by 2013 Mauer was no longer capable of catching.

Not sure who you might be thinking of.

[Mex17]

My bad, it was Jesus Flores.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Flores

[Centerfield]

Frayed Knot wrote: Mex17 wrote: Wasn't Ramos once a Mets farmhand who they let get away to the Nats in the Rule V Draft? Or am I thinking of somebody else? Ramos was never NYM property. Signed originally by Minnesota out of Venezuela, the then-2nd place Twins dealt Ramos, then stuck behind Joe Mauer, to the Nats for reliever Matt Capps at the 2010 July 31st deadline. The Twinkies wound up winning their division that year with Capps saving 16 games over the final two month but then -- repeat after me folks -- lost to the Yanx in three straight in the opening round. Capps next two seasons weren't nearly as successful and he pitched his last ML game at the age of 28 in 2012 and by 2013 Mauer was no longer capable of catching. Not sure who you might be thinking of.

That almost makes it seem like one shouldn’t trade top prospects for relief pitchers.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

To the extent this prevented Brodie from trading half our team to the Marlins, I conditionally approve this move.

Expect Jason Vargas to switch to a new uni # as Ramos wears 40 wherever he goes.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Mex17 wrote: Wasn't Ramos once a Mets farmhand who they let get away to the Nats in the Rule V Draft? Or am I thinking of somebody else?

You may be thinking of Jesus Flores.