Offer Harv an Extension

[Centerfield]

Offer it now. Two years, $24 million. For years 2019 and 2020.

If he bounces back, the deal could be a steal. If not, well, I doubt they are contending then anyway.

[Ceetar]

Centerfield wrote: Offer it now. Two years, $24 million. For years 2019 and 2020. If he bounces back, the deal could be a steal. If not, well, I doubt they are contending then anyway.

why would he take that? He'd basically have to think he's done and it's his last paycheck. even a middling season and he's getting three times that, if not nearly that much just for 2019 on a QO from the Mets. maybe you could get him on 3/45. 2018-2020 but you'd probably need the last one to be a mutual option.

[Guest cooby]

But if they don't contend, it'll be that much less money for the future. I'd like to have him around but I just don't know what he's worth at this point in the road.

[Edgy MD]

Ceetar wrote: Centerfield wrote: Offer it now. Two years, $24 million. For years 2019 and 2020. If he bounces back, the deal could be a steal. If not, well, I doubt they are contending then anyway. why would he take that? He'd basically have to think he's done and it's his last paycheck.

He has every good reason to suspect as much. And $24 million is purty good last paycheck. And if he's not done, the bigger $$ waits two years down the road.

Not that I'm endorsing this offer, but yeah, he'd certainly have good reason to accept it.

[nymr83]

Harvey only takes that offer if he knows something negative about his own health that we don't. I wouldn't offer it.

[Zvon]

Nymr83 wrote: Harvey only takes that offer if he knows something negative about his own health that we don't. I wouldn't offer it.

cooby wrote: But if they don't contend, it'll be that much less money for the future. I'd like to have him around but I just don't know what he's worth at this point in the road.

^Those things
Too much of a gamble at this point.

By now Harvey knows if he'll ever be 2013 Harvey again, I figure. IMO accepting would be like conceding.
I would like the Mets to offer him an extension though, but after a few months into the season. See what he's got in the tank.

Edited January 4, 2018 by Guest

[Zvon]

dagnabbitt!

[Lefty Specialist]

Harvey's got a lot to prove. Another year like the last one and he could be looking at Palookaville. I wouldn't offer anything until he proves there's a little more than fumes in that tank. Personally I don't think he'll ever be the pitcher he was in 2013 or even 2015. Sometimes the body betrays you.

[Edgy MD]

I'm not sure what I'm missing, but it seems to me that offering Matt Harvey an extension of even $1, while not offering an extension to Jacob deGrom, is Kevin Bass ackwards.

[Centerfield]

These things are not mutually exclusive. I just saw an opportunity for a bargain.

In truth, deGrom, Noah and Familia all deserve extensions. Our window to compete should remain open indefinitely and Mets fans, for all we put up with, deserve a championship.

But I’ll start with Harvey.

[Edgy MD]

I know two things. The first is that I don't deserve anything, and the second is that Harvey deserves less.

I'd sooner extend Flores. I'd sooner extend Familia. Harvey had the highest ERA in team history among pitchers that made as many starts. That's a lot of dudes over a lot of bad years. What he deserves is to sing for his supper.

[ashie62]

Would not make that offer. I could see Matt becoming a real dog, healthy or not.

Degrom first please.

[Centerfield]

I never said Harvey deserves anything. I see an opportunity for a bargain and I think the extension is a good gamble.

I don’t know that any fan deserves a championship. I was being flippant there. I do believe that all fans deserve a team that is committed to winning a championship. And I think that such a pursuit should be goal number 1. Above monetary gains. If you want to maximize profits, go start a hedge fund.

And any owner who does not so commit should be stripped of their team. There is no shortage of stupid rich guys who fit this profile. No reason one team should be handicapped with a bunch of imbeciles.

[Edgy MD]

Centerfield wrote: I never said Harvey deserves anything.

Centerfield wrote: In truth, deGrom, Noah and Familia all deserve extensions.

If I was Lily Tomlin, I'd counter that Harvey deserves a social disease. But I'm not. Besides he's probably already been down that road once or twice.

But you're right, Harvey isn't there.

[Zvon]

Lefty Specialist wrote: Harvey's got a lot to prove. Another year like the last one and he could be looking at Palookaville. I wouldn't offer anything until he proves there's a little more than fumes in that tank. Personally I don't think he'll ever be the pitcher he was in 2013 or even 2015. Sometimes the body betrays you.

.....Palookaville. lolol

[Ceetar]

Well Harvey is first up for free agency, so his situation is more immediate.

but there were definite hard calls for the Mets to extend at least 3 of those pitchers to big long term contracts years ago.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I'd let Harvey drift away. No offer of an extension. Focus instead on deGrom, Syndergaard, Matz, Wheeler, Gsellman, and Lugo. And Montero too, I guess. There's no guarantee that you'll find four or five solid starters among them, but Harvey seems the least likely to succeed. I really doubt that he'll ever be what he was. Maybe he can reinvent himself some day as a crafty old lefty, but in order to do that, he'd have to start by learning to pitch left-handed.

[Centerfield]

Off topic, have you guys seen the clips online of Darvisg throwing left handed? Throws a fastball, slider and change up. These guys are super human.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

The only extension Harvey's going to get this year is from his own stash of Viagra. And you know he probably has buckets of that.

[Guest 41Forever]

I see the thinking with Harvey. Buy low if you think he can turn it around. If he takes the deal and pitches well, he's also a good trading chip while under contract.

[Guest d'Kong76]

Lefty Specialist wrote: Harvey's got a lot to prove. Another year like the last one and he could be looking at Palookaville.

Yeah, I don't really get this thread at all. If he's decent and the Mets suck
my guess is he's traded for a little of this or that in July. It won't be huge,
not huge I tell ya.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

$12M per for a guy coming off the seasons he just had, with the injury history he has... is NOT buying low.

[Centerfield]

I guess it depends if you think he will bounce back. I think he will. Even if it's not to what he was before.

I think it's likely he will become either a serviceable starter, or maybe he reinvents himself as a whack-job dominant reliever. I'd gamble 2 years, 24 million on that.

The guy is such a mystery. I mean, he could win the Cy Young or he could be cut by July.

[Edgy MD]

I tend to think that no non-tendering him was the extension. Or that the Mets think so.

The ice is thin.

[Guest d'Kong76]

I really like the whack-job dominant reliever thing. Come in all juiced up
with the bases loaded and strike out the side on eleven pitches (two just
miss, getting squeezed by Blue) and the crowd goes wild!!

(of course this may very well happen in pinstripes but...)

[nymr83]

I really like the whack-job dominant reliever thing. Come in all juiced up with the bases loaded and strike out the side on eleven pitches (two just miss, getting squeezed by Blue) and the crowd goes wild!!

Harvey = Rocker, you all see it!

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I also think it's a good possiblility they will offer Harvey an extension of spring training top get his shot together.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Centerfield wrote: I guess it depends if you think he will bounce back. I think he will. Even if it's not to what he was before. I think it's likely he will become either a serviceable starter, or maybe he reinvents himself as a whack-job dominant reliever. I'd gamble 2 years, 24 million on that. The guy is such a mystery. I mean, he could win the Cy Young or he could be cut by July.

I would stake the life of my child that he will not be Cy Young- worthy. And even if you think he might, the smart buy is to make him an offer that prices the risk in there.

[Centerfield]

I thought I was pricing the risk. There is a chance he will suck, at which point 24 over 2 is a tough pill to swallow. There is a probability that he will be somewhere in the range of kinda ok to pretty good. At which point the price is livable, more or less, depending on where he falls. And then there is a chance he bounces back to what he was, in which case the 24 million is a steal.

I have nothing at all to base this on except blind faith, but I think he will be good to great, rather than a bust.

But I'm not married to the price tag. I could be talked down. How much would you offer if anything?

[Benjamin Grimm]

I'm not sure I would offer anything, but if I were inclined to make the gamble you propose, I'd go for more like $18 million over the two years. Maybe $16 million. He might not be inclined to take it, but I think the odds are that his upside is pretty mediocre from here forward.