Dumping Harvey

[G-Fafif]

Tweets Heyman

While rangers have a bit of interest in matt harvey word is they don’t like a straight deal for profar since harvey is a free agent after year and profar is under control. While concept has merit, seems like there are issues for both sides. Seems unlikely.

[Ceetar]

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I clearly spend too much time on twitter that I can see all these crumbs. But work is slow.

[Ceetar]

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Oh and Ceets, it's unlikely any teammate is gonna say to a beat writer, "that Matt Harvey is an asshole" but after he showed up late after partying, one anonymous teammate said this anyway: https://nypost.com/2017/05/09/extremely-embarrassed-matt-harvey-begs-mets-for-forgiveness/ “Actions speak louder than words,” one Mets teammate said after Harvey apologized for skipping Saturday’s game, leading to the right-hander receiving a three-game suspension from the club. “We’ve all been out late, but you’ve got to show up. You’ve got to go to work.” Sounds very David Wright-y, but it's still criticism from a teammate. That's not made up. It's not nothing.

Agree. it's not nothing. That's the one major issue you'd point to. But it also reads as "you screwed up" more than "you're a bad person".

[A Boy Named Seo]

Ceetar wrote: [tweet]https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/940319530424860673[/tweet] as a result of [tweet]https://twitter.com/Evan_P_Grant/status/940319710155034624[/tweet] I clearly spend too much time on twitter that I can see all these crumbs. But work is slow.

Were both those tweets really at the same time? In that dude Evan Grant's article, he shows a different Heyman tweet w/out the reference to Grant's piece. Was wondering if Heyman made the edit to show his source? Or Heyman found it and added it as a second voice to back his rumor? I dont understand twitter all that much.

[Guest cooby]

HahnSolo wrote: Second hand, someone just told me MLBNetwork is speculating on a potential Harvey for Jurickson Profar deal. I have no idea how accurate that is. Profar has thus far underperformed (to say the least), but he is still only 24.

So has Harvey lately

[Ceetar]

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Were both those tweets really at the same time? In that dude Evan Grant's article, he shows a different Heyman tweet w/out the reference to Grant's piece. Was wondering if Heyman made the edit to show his source? Or Heyman found it and added it as a second voice to back his rumor? I dont understand twitter all that much.

I'm not sure, I didn't actually read that article as it was just Rangers speculation. Their was someone else that was talking about the Rangers and Mets talking, but I'm not sure who made the connection to the rumors to pick those players. Both Heyman and Grant were tweeting about it in general. It's just noise.

[nymr83]

Profar has pretty much never shown the talent he supposedly had.

Harvey hasnt shown he is healthy enough to get back what he had.

Given the difference in remaining years under control is rather take my chances on Profar today if that was truly an option 1 for 1.

[Valadius]

I'm fine moving Harvey if we get an everyday player in return.

[Edgy MD]

Nymr83 wrote: Harvey hasn't shown he is healthy enough to get back what he had.

I question whether health is the issue. His velocity was down last year, but by how much? From 96 to 94? He should be able to work at that speed to get outs.

But what was really lost was his precision control. He was all over the place, missing off the plate and missing over the plate. That may be a function of diminished health, true, but it also may be a function of the other things that make a guy pitch with control: discipline, coordination, confidence, etc.

If the issue is those latter things, I'm not sure it makes him more or less likely to rebound, but I sure hope the project is more focused on the control than the extra 2 MPH. He gets more outs with his slider than his fastball anyway.

Or he did.

[Guest cooby]

I think he's young enough to get it back. But does he have the "heart"?

He gets a playboy wife, what else does he need?

[smg58]

There are all kinds of reports concerning Harvey. Like I said, this is the time of the offseason where you talk to everybody about everything, and there appears to be genuine interest in Harvey from a bunch of places. So he might be dealt, but he won't be given away. (And again, if the Mets were truly interested in "dumping" Harvey and his contract, they could have simply non-tendered him.)

Mark Carig of Newsday doesn't think the Mets would trade Harvey given the current state of the rotation, but I was working under the assumption that a starting pitcher ranked high on the Mets wish list. (It's at the top of mine.)

[Ceetar]

I mean, i wanted Ohtani AND Darvish. Sandy's phrased it as more of a reliable workhorse type.

I doubt they're trading Harvey too, unless they're blown away with something.

[A Boy Named Seo]

Starting pitcher should be near the top of the shopping. Our depth is seriously lacking depth.

I read something yesterday that Harvey for the O's Brad Brach was kicked around by one or both sides. We flirted with traded for him or signing him a season or 2 ago, IIRC. I'm way less in favor of a move like this compared to the #FakeNews Profar trade which I'm all about.

[Ceetar]

deGrom,
Thor,
Gsellman,
Harvey,
Lugo,
Matz,
Montero,
Wheeler

right? or is one of them under the knife and I forgot? It's hard to keep track.

technically that's 8 guys for 5 spots already.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I think all eight of those guys are expected (as much as possible, of course) to be healthy and ready to go. As long as there's not another calamity like last year, they should have enough starting pitching for the season. The question is, how much quality is in that mix? I have faith in deGrom and Syndergaard. Beyond that, there are a lot of questions.

[Ceetar]

Flexen too I guess. Who'll be at the QBC.

[A Boy Named Seo]

Yah, i'm w/ BG on quality and durability. The number of dudes scares me less than "THESE ARE THE DUDES".

[A Boy Named Seo]

I didn't realize until just right now that Dan Warthen is now an assistant pitching coach for... wait for it... the Texas Rangers.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I'm pretty sure you could find me advocating we move him while he was hot. Sure it was risky and a retrospective no-brainer. Pitching is unpredictable but Harvey being is a douche isn't.

I'm pretty sure I was relatively hot and heavy for a Harvey-for-position-prospects trade during that winter, too.

[Edgy MD]

Here's a thread on Trading Harvey.

That's from when he was, you know, an asset.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Can we still get Xander Bogaerts for him?

[seawolf17]

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Can we still get Xander Bogaerts for him?

Let's follow the Cap'n Intangibles plan and have Mookie Wilson buy the Red Sox and then trade him to us.

[Guest d'Kong76]

Edgy MD wrote: Here's a thread on Trading Harvey. That's from when he was, you know, an asset.

#toldyaso

[A Boy Named Seo]

what a sad, hilarious thread to read.

[Edgy MD]

How do you like my Votto deal now, sister?

[Guest 41Forever]

Edgy MD wrote: How do you like my Votto deal now, sister?

We can still see if Altuve and Trout are still available.

[A Boy Named Seo]

Now we can't even get a Brad Brach meeting. :'-(

[ashie62]

Someone may be willing to overpay for either Harvey, Wheeler or Matz.

Ya Gotta Believe.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Now we can't even get a Brad Brach meeting. :'-(

Is it sad that I would take Brach in a heartbeat for him?

Meanwhile, Philly continues to build the bullpen we should be building.

[Edgy MD]

Always plenty of relief talent. The offseason is a marathon, man.