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="metirish":3kmo5wr4]F Martinez Niese Parnell Tejada [/quote:3kmo5wr4] That doesn't seem like a bad deal to me. OlerudOwned Jul 20 2009 08:29 PM Taken with a John Heyman sized grain of salt. seawolf17 Jul 20 2009 09:03 PM ="OlerudOwned":3k9llp1w]Taken with a John Heyman sized grain of salt.[/quote:3k9llp1w] How many grains of salt fit inside a douche bag that big? He's not a small man. OlerudOwned Jul 20 2009 09:19 PM ="seawolf17":162dac7x]="OlerudOwned":162dac7x]Taken with a John Heyman sized grain of salt.[/quote:162dac7x] How many grains of salt fit inside a douche bag that big? He's not a small man.[/quote:162dac7x] http://twitter.com/keithlaw/status/2750610015 2,750,610,015. I suppose. Gwreck Jul 20 2009 11:42 PM Re: Mets reject Blue Jays on Halladay Package ="soupcan":31694kki]="metirish":31694kki]F Martinez Niese Parnell Tejada [/quote:31694kki] That doesn't seem like a bad deal to me.[/quote:31694kki] Me either, but there's also the money. I figure he gets an extension that wipes out the last year and gives him another 5 at 18 million per. Nymr83 Jul 21 2009 03:50 AM ]Heyman reporting that the Jays tabled an offer to the Mets that would get the Mets Halladay F Martinez Niese Parnell Tejada i would have done it. not for this year but because Halladay is under contract still for next year. Frayed Knot Jul 21 2009 06:57 AM I think it's certainly a fair deal (even as its accuracy is questioned) and one that I could pull the trigger on and not have to swallow too hard. But I'm not too sure that the Mets are in a position where packaging and unloading prospects for post-30 players is the way to go right now. metsmarathon Jul 21 2009 07:03 AM i'd be willing to give up three, but not necessarily four of those players. specifically, were the trade offer genuine, and according to keith law's tweet as linked above, i would prefer to keep one of parnell or niese. and while i think the rotation could be a beast when topped with doc and johan, in no particular order, i'm also torn up by the notion that the way certain teams seem to be in the thick of it each year is through the development of their own minor leaguers. in fact, i feel like every contending team save perhaps the yankees, is doing so on the backs of their own homegrown talent. and i'd like ot be like one of those teams. eventually. of course, if we were to get doc halladay, i think it would nicely prevent us from making a big huge mistake in trying to get matt holliday either this season immediately thereafter. John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 21 2009 07:08 AM I wouldn't have complained too loudly. You worry a little about getting hurt maybe in the coming years of the Halladay extension, whatever they may be, but aces don't grow on trees. metsmarathon Jul 21 2009 07:14 AM no. i'm certain i would be thrilled in the short term. but i'd be a bit worried about those later years... metirish Jul 21 2009 07:18 AM Nor would I have complained much , if at all. F Martinez I think will be a good major league player , Parnell is a reliever and I would never hesitate to throw one of those in a deal. The Jays might start him , whatever. Niese could work out and the other kid I have never seen. Frayed Knot Jul 21 2009 07:19 AM Of course part of this depends on what the theoretical extension would look like -- which in turn assumes that Halladay will demand one in return for his agreeing to the trade. I think everyone assumes that he'll do just that (it's not like his leverage is likely to go up from where it is now) but I don't know that he's outright stated it's a prerequisite. Edgy DC Jul 21 2009 07:40 AM We want a batter, not a wooden ladder. Centerfield Jul 21 2009 08:08 AM I would do that deal. I would not drive Pedro Feliciano to Colorado to make it happen, but I would do that deal. MFS62 Jul 21 2009 09:22 AM ="Edgy DC":hwzslqzr]We want a batter, not a wooden ladder.[/quote:hwzslqzr] Exactly. The team needs a hitter. But when you get right down to it, it may be a moot point. Its not up to Omar or the pimp (my Canadian friends' name for JP because he dresses so slickly). Halliday has complete veto rights over any trade, and it is doubtful he'd want to come to the Mets. (according to Steve Sommers last night on WFAN) Later Frayed Knot Jul 21 2009 09:31 AM ]Halliday has complete veto rights over any trade, and it is doubtful he'd want to come to the Mets. (according to Steve Sommers last night on WFAN) Oh well that settles it then. metirish Jul 21 2009 09:37 AM Steve Somers is like the Walter Cronkite of sports talk.....in age terms anyway Centerfield Jul 21 2009 09:48 AM I obviously don't disagree that this team needs a batter, but that doesn't mean this team doesn't need more pitching. Particularly, ace-level starting pitching. If the lineup were producing, we'd be lamenting having to start Nieve/Livan/Redding etc. The Mets are currently 19th in team ERA, despite playing in a great pitchers' park. I really dislike the notion of passing on good, productive players because "we need ____". This was my problem with not pursuing Texiera last off-season. We never made a run at him because of reasons like "we need to focus on the bullpen" and "we have a first-baseman". My philosophy is to get top-notch talent when it's available. Now that Delgado is likely done after this season, there are few good options out there at first for next year. Thinking that "the offense is fine" is what led to the lack of lineup depth. Which made us particularly vulnerable in the event some top guys went down. So if a 32 year old legitimate #1 is available, make a run at him. If he doesn't ask for the moon and stars in terms of an extension, ship out those four guys and let the Phils face Santana and Halladay back to back. Vic Sage Jul 21 2009 09:54 AM The TiTTS say: "Boo!" Edgy DC Jul 21 2009 10:09 AM Was pursuing Texiera really explicitly rejected because the team needs to focus on the bullpen? Obviously, talent is talent. I just think Halladay is old talent, and if the Mets don't find some way to generate offense, Halladay's effectiveness may well have expired by the time it could have made a difference. Personally, based on Martinez being injured, I think this report looks faulty. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 21 2009 10:55 AM ="Edgy DC"] Personally, based on Martinez being injured, I think this report looks faulty. It looks outright false. Leaving aside my own gut feeling of implausibility, hell, consider the source-- I know Keith Law's misled me a good deal less than Heyman has. ]Was pursuing Texiera really explicitly rejected because the team needs to focus on the bullpen? Pretty strong implicit tie at least, methinks. The publicly identified primary need area took precedence, and Omar had this year's solutions (presumably) at 1st and 2nd and OF already in hand for the season, if not beyond, so Teixeira and Hudson and Abreu/Dunn were extraneous and not worth a serious bid (even if they were markedly superior to our extant solutions there... and, in at least one case, more or less begging to come to New York). But yeah, that's bygones. Playing the what-if game, though... assuming the trade were to happen, we're looking at this team locked in as a poor man's 2001 D-Backs-- with Santana and Halladay's paychecks, and Reyes due to make open-market rates after 2011, there's no money to sign anything but replacement-level or steeply discounted (due to injury history, or "correctable" mechanical flaws) talent for C, 1B, and corner OF over the next several years. The offense would end up being even more top-heavy than we're used to-- Wright, Reyes and what's left of Beltran, surrounded by Castillo, Murphy, Evans, Ike Davis (maybe?), and a REALLY ugly bench-- wouldn't it? smg58 Jul 21 2009 11:29 AM The Blue Jays GM said last week that he was listening to offers, not making them. John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 21 2009 11:37 AM Making a play for Teixera was probably a little more of a high-wire act than Omar had the stomach for. He'd have had to outbid the MFYs, O's and Bosox then find a trade partner for Delgado without any leverage. And if it didn't work out, deal with hurt feelings. I'm not saying it couldn't be done but that it would have been risky and expensive and they get a pass from me for not trying it. Besides, Teixiera's a douche. Knowing what we know now, I suppose the real dumb thing was not deciding on Murphy at 1B sooner and trading Delgado for what they could get. That would have provided more opportunities to upgrade the pen or rotation or gather in a prospect. Not that so vast a dropoff in production there has helped, just that we'd have gotten something in exchange for it. smg58 Jul 21 2009 11:42 AM ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":lq51jb1x]Playing the what-if game, though... assuming the trade were to happen, we're looking at this team locked in as a poor man's 2001 D-Backs-- with Santana and Halladay's paychecks, and Reyes due to make open-market rates after 2011, there's no money to sign anything but replacement-level or steeply discounted (due to injury history, or "correctable" mechanical flaws) talent for C, 1B, and corner OF over the next several years. The offense would end up being even more top-heavy than we're used to-- Wright, Reyes and what's left of Beltran, surrounded by Castillo, Murphy, Evans, Ike Davis (maybe?), and a REALLY ugly bench-- wouldn't it?[/quote:lq51jb1x] The contracts for Beltran, Castillo and Perez run out after 2011 as well, so it's not like there's already zero payroll flexibility that far ahead. In the meantime, we're freeing up the money spent on Delgado, Wagner, and Schneider, plus Putz in all likelihood. It will also take more than one home run to justify tendering a contract to Francoeur. That's a quarter of the team's current payroll right there. I've got no problem with building a more balanced team, but I don't think a deal for Halladay necessarily rules that out. Edgy DC Jul 21 2009 12:14 PM This has surely morphed. If the Mets weren't going after the top two targets in the starting pitcher market, certainly Teixera wasn't in the cards under any circumstances, Omar or no Omar. Nymr83 Jul 21 2009 03:16 PM ]Was pursuing Texiera really explicitly rejected because the team needs to focus on the bullpen? they had to make a decision on Delgado' option before they could talk to Texiera, if Delgado had become a free agent they could have gotten outbid on Texiera anyway amd then had to give Delgado more years (which would have sucked imo), so i think they made the right move there. Centerfield Jul 21 2009 04:16 PM I didn't mean to re-hash the Delgado/Texiera arguments again. I realize the degree of difficulty was high on that one. I just wish we had a GM that was willing to explore it and not be constrained by "We are set at first"-type thinking. Similarly, I don't want the Mets to not pull the trigger on a Halladay deal (if one is, in fact, available to them) because of the mindset that "we need bats". We do need bats. But if we can get an ace, we should look to get that ace, then get bats with the money freed up when Wagner, Putz, Delgado, Schneider and Franceour come off the books. Edgy DC Jul 21 2009 04:44 PM Understood. To be fair, though, the extension that Halladay would require would eat up a fair chunk of that money.

Hillary Swank anyone...? ] Born in Lincoln, Nebraska and raised in Bellingham, Washington, Hilary Swank, an undeafed Oscar Champ (2 nominations: two wins), now lives in a 4-story Greenwich Village brownstone. Hilary's love for Rob Lowe's brother has recently ended, but she still loves the Mets. ] As Chris works, Swank will simultaneously try to give an interview, telling a story about her reaction to Mets outfielder Carlos Beltran's now infamous strikeout to decide the National League Championship, which she attended in person and which she will talk about for nearly seven minutes, a rather incisive discourse by a rabid fan (forgetting for a moment the fact that she calls them points instead of runs) on matters of fame and talent and opportunities lost, on the value of the long run and the big picture, meanwhile carefully keeping closed the ranks of celebrity, never once even suggesting that the great man might have choked.

Don't remember that at all but I was a huge fan of 'Mister Robinson's Neighborhood'.

If I'd have known it was being auctioned and known it could've been had for what it went for - I would have seriously considered it. Not saying I would have done it, but I would have definitely thought about it. OE: Story I saw this morning said it went for $23K. MFS' link says $32K. I was thinking more along the lines of $23K. And Namor makes a good point - if this was made known to Mets fans at large I'm sure they would've gotten a boatload more than they did.

So - was Lenny just a big con artist or did he just get cocky after making a boatload of money and thought everything he touched would turn to gold? I'm tempted to go with option A.

8-0 last night. No offense. Castillo making a play or not wouldn't have made a bit of difference. I'm not excusing the bad play, I'm just saying that if the Mets were healthy and hitting, we wouldn't care nearly as much about the stuff that we're complaining about now, because that team would be able to overcome a lot of it.

I understand your frustration but I don't know what you expect from the guys that are on the field. It's a rag-tag bunch of minor leaguers and journeymen and you are seeing why they are minor leaguers and journeymen. Again - not the team that was supposed to be out there.

The Mets would be robbed blind in any trade they make. Say goodbye to Fartinez, Parnell, Holt and anybody else that is held in high regard (if any body else still is held in high regard).

If you listen to sportsradio and you read the tabloids, everybody is calling for trades and firings. The team is underperforming! The Wilpons are cheap bastards! I don't know - I'm frustrated as hell too, but is it really anybody's fault? They are decimated - DECIMATED - by injuries. The team on the field is not the team that management planned on having out there. Why is that so hard for these mooks out there to understand? Edgy made a good point - Reyes goes down, Cora goes down, Martinez goes down - how do you blame Minaya for not having a viable 4th option at shortstop? You can't. Unfortunately injuries happen. Wright has no protection in this lineup as presently constituted so how can you fault him for the year he's having? Castillo's defensive woes would probably be a blip on the screen if the offense was healthy and churning as was expected. Murphy would have been able to find himself without having the pressure to perform every single at-bat. Johann wouldn't be losing games 2-0. Etcetera, etcetera...

Jeff's got a Hair Club for Men thing going on in this pic... OE: Didn't mean to put this in this thread, but whatever...

I'll put money on him being found dead before the year is out. He's either going to kill himself or accidentally on-purpose OD on something.

Edgy DC wrote: Why are you assuming this thing is accurate?

Oh, snap.

metirish wrote: I'm not hot on Murphy either but I imagine this must be a terrible team and season for a young player to try and establish himself. That's a good point. He was supposed to be a complimentary piece. They thought he could fly under the radar with no real pressure to produce. Not exactly how it panned out.

="Edgy DC"] Good job by Ken Belson (Ken Belson?) getting responses from Carter and Johnson in the article instead of just rushing with the slam and using day two for slambacks. Yeah - and good quotes too - Carter - 'Um, I have the numbers....' Johnson - 'Um, he gave me the bat...'

] Jack Clark Takes Jabs at Mets of Mid-�80s July 1, 2009 From left, Gary Carter, Darryl Strawberry and Keith Hernandez, Mets regulars in 1985. By KEN BELSON The Mets have had their rivals over the years � the Chicago Cubs in 1969, the Philadelphia Phillies more recently � but the St. Louis Cardinals of the middle to late 1980s were perhaps the fiercest opponents they have faced. The teams not only battled on the field, but also despised each other off it. As it turns out, the old feuds continue to simmer. Jack Clark, the cleanup hitter on those St. Louis teams, called those Mets a bunch of cheats and showboats Tuesday in an interview on KTRS-AM radio, which broadcasts Cardinals games. Clark told McGraw Milhaven, the morning host at the station, that the mutual hatred ran so deep that he purposely snubbed the Mets when they played together in All-Star Games. �I wanted to let them know I wasn�t glad to be there with them and their teammate, didn�t want to be on any team or be a teammate with them, and we were going to battle,� said Clark, who provides commentary on some Cardinals games and manages the Springfield Sliders, a summer collegiate league team in Illinois. Clark took particular aim at Gary Carter, the Mets� catcher in those years, saying that he �talked his way more into the Hall of Fame than deserving it.� Carter, he said, craved the spotlight, which was �pretty sickening and disgusting to everybody else.� Carter, who manages the Long Island Ducks of the independent Atlantic League, said he was surprised by Clark�s comments. �He�s entitled to his own opinion, but the numbers speak for themselves, and I don�t think anybody can talk their way into the Hall of Fame,� Carter said in a statement relayed by the team�s public-relations officer. Clark played for the Cardinals from 1985 to 1987, during which he hit 66 home runs. He also played for the San Francisco Giants, the Yankees, the San Diego Padres and the Boston Red Sox. In the interview, Clark reignited an old issue when he said that Howard Johnson, a Mets third baseman in those years, used a corked bat. Whitey Herzog, the Cardinals� manager at the time, made a similar claim. In 1987, one of Johnson�s bats was X-rayed. The X-rays were negative. Clark appeared not to know that. �That just goes to show those guys were trying to cheat and, you know, it didn�t end up working for them anyhow,� he said, seemingly glossing over the Mets� World Series title in 1986. �So if his was corked, I�m sure a few other guys� over there were corked, also.� Johnson, now the Mets� batting coach, said Clark seemed to have forgotten a few key facts. �It�s kind of funny, because in my most productive years, I used a model that he gave me, an M253,� Johnson said in Milwaukee, where the Mets were playing the Brewers. An excerpt of the interview can be heard on nytimes.com/sports, and more was available Tuesday on the KTRS site. A full version of the interview will be aired by the radio station on Wednesday morning. Ben Shpigel contributed reporting from Milwaukee.

="G-Fafif":34d58zfi]Given the way they've been playing, they probably accidentally locked themselves in.[/quote:34d58zfi] Exactly. metirish Jul 01 2009 08:18 PM Turns out Pelfrey wasn't even at this meeting......

That lineup is just sad.

It's called frustration. Jeez man, we're fans

Gwreck wrote: There's a reason Billy Joel is not allowed in the IGTs, and this is it. Seriously, that's totally unacceptable. 3 errors? Are you fucking serious? Careful - don't say anything bad about the Mets or Willets will get angry!

You guys that complain about the Shake Shack line are doing it wrong. Before the game starts the line is much more manageable. 10-15 minutes tops. During a game you could be stranded out there for 2-3 innings. I'm all about the Double Shack with a black & white.

Hey.......I say 'dude' a lot. Awesome KTMFE. I nominate the entire post for 'Bullet of Cool'.

To be 1 game out on June 26th with everything the Mets have had happen to them this year is something. They do gots some moxie Says a bit about about the Phillies too.

I went with 'Horshack' on my facebook page.