Elster88

Yancy looks about right: Trachsel 3 Hernandez 1 Reyes 1 Beltran 1 Wright 1 Castro 1 Matsui 1 Diaz 1 _____________________________ This post was made under the designation 163) Charlie Neal

Since you don't want to be a martyr, and since KC doesn't want you to be a martyr or to make you a martyr, could you change your avatar? _____________________________ This post was made under the designation 163) Charlie Neal

The underrating of starters probably is the result of their only getting points during their starts. But I don't think it's underrated much._____________________________This post was made under the designation 163) Charlie Neal

So far I think the top tier of players in the Schaefer standings are about on line with the actual performances turned in by those players._____________________________This post was made under the designation 163) Charlie Neal

I don't like this thread. It makes me sad. Save some room for me next to those three infants._____________________________This post was under the designation 163) Charlie Neal

Bret Sabermetric wrote: ="Zvon"]But being a manager aint the same as being a coach, and past Yankee accomplishments hold no sway over what he is going thru now. Did you notice how, in the Eunuch's pregame show on Sunday, Willie kept referring the the Marlins' closer as "Doug" Jones? I don't know if he THINKS it's the early nineties and Cleveland's still on the schedule, or if this is just another sign of his mental limitations, I try not to get too hung up when someone attaches the wrong first name to a last name, especially when it's a common name like Jones. If he knows their closer's name is Jones and the kind of stuff he has, that's all I care about. I can't believe how much defending of Willie I'm doing, but when I hear him getting bashed for screwing up a guy's first name and getting blamed for singlehandedly keeping the Mets out of the playoffs, then I try to defend him. _____________________________ This post was under the designation 163) Charlie Neal

]Matsui proved he can't hit Is this what he proved last year when he hit over .270 and was on a pace to hit 40 or so doubles over 150 games until his injury? Or did he prove it in the half of a year that he played this year? Or maybe he never did and it's a knee-jerk reaction to kick him to the curb and play a guy who has hit well in the minors? How did that work out for Jacobs after his initial spurt? Why is the grass always greener in the minors?

Rotblatt wrote: The games we lost in April & May are just as important as the ones we're losing now. And we DID stick with DeJean way too long in high-leverage spots, and it DID hurt us. Heilman has been completely undervalued by WIllie, and he remains so to this day. In the other thread, I posted his last 10 appearances, and of those, only 3 could be termed high-leverage. So what, exactly, has WIllie learned? He trusts Padilla more than him, which is dumb, because as much as I like him, he hasn't been nearly as good, and he uses Heilman pretty much interchangably with Bell now, who hasn't been nearly the pitcher Heilman has. Doesn't make sense. I have no problem signing wash-ups and retreads if they have upside but if they demonstrate they're not worth a spot, they need to QUICKLY be dismissed. Yes the games mean just as much in April and May. My point was that they kicked Matthews to the curb pretty quickly, and I'm not sure who looked better in ST out of the gate. Regarding Heilman, I'm more of the opinion that he's getting overused. _____________________________ This post was under the designation 164) Keith Miller

It still does kill me that people point to Mathews as poor decision-making by the Mets when the guy didn't make it to May. _____________________________ This post was under the designation 164) Keith Miller

Johnny Dickshot wrote: Nonsense. A couple of hits where we needed them and this game could have been a rout on our side. Not to mention Diaz doing more at the play at the plate, Trachsel realizing he had a DP if he wanted it, etc etc etc. I think you have to place this loss, like so many others this year, on the fact that we just don't hit enough. No amount of strategy or magical players on the other team is going to change that. OTOH, we can say something similar like that about every Met loss to the Braves. If this had happened, and this hadn't happened, etc. etc. And the Braves still seem to come out on top and Chipper still has a lot of Met-beatings to his credit. _____________________________ This post was under the designation 164) Keith Miller

Johnny Dickshot wrote: Nonsense. A couple of hits where we needed them and this game could have been a rout on our side. Not to mention Diaz doing more at the play at the plate, Trachsel realizing he had a DP if he wanted it, etc etc etc. I think you have to place this loss, like so many others this year, on the fact that we just don't hit enough. No amount of strategy or magical players on the other team is going to change that. Yeah, you're right. Forgive me for being pissed off and feeling like the Braves are unbeatable, I'm still hurting from this game.

Ticket prices and parking prices rose before Beltran's contract was signed, I believe. _____________________________ This post was under the designation 164) Keith Miller

Call me pessimistic, but I don't think the choice of pitcher makes a difference here. Chipper Jones is Chipper Jones. Which means he beats the shit out of the Mets. Atlanta is Atlanta. Which means they don't lose to the Mets at home. The only hope we have of beating the Braves is after that prick retires. _____________________________ This post was under the designation 164) Keith Miller

A two run output against a major league team is going to hurt us in the RS/RA department. _____________________________ This post was under the designation 164) Keith Miller

Another two run effort by the Metsies. _____________________________ This post was under the designation 164) Keith Miller

Actually, Spaceman, I'll bet Bobby Bo had a better first season with the Mets than Beltran has had. So be fair to Bobby. _____________________________ This post was under the designation 164) Keith Miller

Baseball makes me sad. _____________________________ This post was under the designation 164) Keith Miller

Spacemans Bong wrote: ="Elster88"]What is the funk? How many of you who are demanding that Cairo stays nailed to the bench are the same as those who were demanding Kaz stayed nailed to the bench a couple of months ago? Be honest, now. _____________________________ This post was under the designation 164) Keith Miller What's your point? Kaz was not hitting then. Cairo is not hitting now. From your response, I'm guessing that you were one of those. What's my point? I'm just curious who was demanding and was pissed off at Willie, and then was demanding and pissed off at Willie about exactly the opposite. My point should be self-explanatory. And someone please explain what the funk is. I remember the Funk from an old, hilarious Vince Carter commerical, but I don't think that's what Willie was referring to. _____________________________ This post was under the designation 164) Keith Miller

What is the funk? How many of you who are demanding that Cairo stays nailed to the bench are the same as those who were demanding Kaz stayed nailed to the bench a couple of months ago? Be honest, now. _____________________________ This post was under the designation 164) Keith Miller

DocTee wrote: ] I also don't think that Willie has been overly complacent I beg to differ-- and I'm not alone. How many times have we heard pleas that Willie get run from a game, if only to inspire his charges. But maybe this only supports your claim that the CPF is overly critical of Randolph. I think this is silly. All of the players have busted their ass all year long, they don't need to be inspired by the manager getting ejected. _____________________________ This post was under the designation 164) Keith Miller

Washington was (as of the start of yesterday) and is ahead of us by half a game. _____________________________ This post was under the designation 164) Keith Miller

Seo 4.5 Matsui 2.5 Beltran 1 Wright 1 Floyd 1 _____________________________ This post was under the designation 164) Keith Miller

Bret Sabermetric wrote: Apologies for misunderstanding DocTee's point. Mine was that Edgy doesn't really want us never to dispute points rudely. He tosses provocative words like "nonsense" around word pretty freely (at least he did when he was acknowedgling my presence here) and took no real trouble to see that he was being gentle, kind, patient, or thorough in understanding points he considered nonsensical whenever he was feeling frisky and disputatious. I find it hypocritical in the extreme to read these schoolmarmish admonitions about decorum, collegial language and scholarly manners being distributed with noblesse oblige from on high. Seriously, I'm not one who should be critical over other's language. Sometimes I try to take a moral high ground when I really belong down in the sewers of morality. Or something.

DocTee wrote: My apologies to Zvon or anyone else who was (or may have been) offended by my choice of words-- my intent was not to disparage any poster, only to express my displeasure with an overly complacent "wait till next year approach" on the part of both WWSB and some forum apologists. I should apologize too for misreading your post.

http://cybermessageboard.ehost.com/getalife/viewtopic.php?p=22066#22066 _____________________________ This post was under the designation 165) Jose Reyes