Elster88

]"The second thing I did was line them up against the fence and hit sharp line drives at them from 20 feet away to improve their reaction time." LMFAO

="Elster88"]Bonus trivia: Who said "Who cares, it's a rat with wings?" in response to "Well at least the bird survived." Bob Uecker's character (Harry Doyle?) in Major League II. In case you can't remember, Major League was the one with Wesley Snipes, "Juuuuuuust a bit outside", and "Get in front of the ball, Dorn! Don't give me that ole bullshit.". Major League II was the one that sucked.

Yancy Street Gang wrote: Well, he didn't say that Jessica Alba was Katherine Hepburn or Meryl Streep, he said that she's his favorite. I don't think any teenage boy has to apologize for having Jessica Alba as a favorite actress! Would you rather he had said Bea Arthur? I just wanted to talk about Jessica Alba.

Bonus trivia: Who said "Who cares, it's a rat with wings?" in response to "Well at least the bird survived."

Remember when a Randy Johnson pitch hit a bird in mid-air and the bird exploded? This one survived. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2474023 BUFFALO, N.Y. -- Seagulls shouldn't fly between Bisons and Bulls. One of the birds had the misfortune to learn that during Sunday's Triple-A game between the Buffalo Bisons and the Durham Bulls. The seagull was struck by a pitch, carried off the field by a player and later flew away. The Bisons were batting in the bottom of the 11th inning when the seagull flew between the mound and home plate just as Durham's pitcher released the ball. The ball knocked the seagull to the ground. The batter swung and missed, with the ball getting away from the catcher. Since it was a third strike, the batter ran to first and was thrown out. Umpires conferred on the bizarre happenings and ruled play should have stopped as soon as the bird was hit. The bird beaning was captured on videotape by the stadium's camera crew during the Bisons' 3-2 loss in 16 innings. In 1983, Dave Winfield, then with the New York Yankees, threw a ball that hit a seagull at Exhibition Stadium in Toronto. Winfield was charged with cruelty to animals, a charge that was dropped the next day.

Note to Jesse's son: Jessica Alba is not a good actress. She is hot, I guess, if you like that thin, long-legged, full-breasted, smooth-skinned type.

="sharpie"]What I don't like is when the Schaefer POTG poll itself begins with an admonition such as last Sunday's: Please don't give Jose Reyes any points because his error cost us the game. I think to call it an admonition is misleading and taking the remark way too seriously. I could've just said "I don't think Reyes should get points because his error cost us the game"---which is what I was going for. But where's the fun in a sentence like that? Besides, whenever I wait until after people vote to post a remark then people get sensitive, feel that I am challenging their votes, and accuse me of getting apoplectic. And now posting ahead of time, specifically so no one can feel personally challenged or personally insulted, is considered "an admonition" or telling people how to vote. So you're damned either way. Besides, would it really have made a difference if I posted my scores and then put the note requesting zero points for Reyes? Would it really have seemed less admonitory that way? Of course any time you post on the Internet the tone can easily be misinterpreted...so I'll agree to be more careful if more people agree not to be so easily offended. I should have limited my remarks to the AP Schaefer thread for administrative ease, of course...but I'm sure the same bruised feelings would've (and have) resulted from posting similar comments in the AP thread.

Caple's on Milledge-Silly By Jim Caple Page 2 "I had a little conversation with him about that. I told him to tone it down a little bit. He got excited about his first big home run. Wouldn't you? I talked to him about it -- it won't happen again." -- Mets manager Willie Randolph on rookie Lastings Milledge high-fiving fans along the right-field line when he took his position after hitting his first career home run to tie a game in extra innings Oh, if only we could have been a fly on the wall of the manager's office … -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lastings Milledge reluctantly knocked on his manager's door and looked inside. "You wanted to see me, Skip?" "Yeah, Rook," Willie Randolph said. "Grab a seat. We need to talk." Milledge took a seat, and Randolph tossed a thick book into the rookie's lap. Milledge picked it up and leafed through it quickly. "You know what that is, Rook?" Randolph asked. "Sorry, Skip -- I don't. It's blank. There isn't a single word printed on the cover or on any page." "Those are baseball's unwritten rules. Memorize them, Rook. And I mean now. You're not in the minors anymore. You're a big leaguer. Time to start acting like one. I don't want to see any more displays like today's." Milledge closed the book. "People keep bringing that up but I don't know what I did wrong. All I did was celebrate a little." "Celebrate? Is that what you call showing up your opponents?" "How did I show anyone up? I just slapped hands with fans when I ran out to the field." "You were drawing attention to yourself. That's in direct violation of Unwritten Rule 6.08 (d). It's on page 58. Right between the rule against bunting to break up a no-hitter and the subsection on owning at least three luxury SUVs that get less than 12 miles to the gallon each." Milledge hurriedly glanced through the book again."Page 58? How do you know? There aren't even page numbers in this thing. Besides, so what if I called attention to myself? How is that any different from guys like Barry Bonds and David Ortiz stopping at home plate and pointing up to the sky after a home run? Isn't that drawing attention to yourself?" "Apples and oranges, Rook. Apples and oranges." "How? How is it different?" "It's different, Rook, because they're them and you're you. Look, let me spell it out for you. When they do it, it's OK, and when you do it, it isn't. Capiche?" "Not really. But when do I earn the right to make a gesture at home plate to honor my God or a deceased family member?" "Generally speaking, as soon as you're eligible for arbitration." Milledge stared at Randolph, expecting him to smile to show he was kidding about the whole thing. But his manager didn't smile. He was dead serious. "C'mon, Skip, be real," Milledge said. "What's the big deal? It's not as if I stopped and signed an autograph like T.O. did." A look of horror flashed across Randolph's face. "Don't go there, Rook. Don't even suggest such a thing." "Why? Does signing autographs violate another one of baseball's unwritten rules?" "No. But big leaguers never sign autographs for free. The standard appearance fee for a card show is $10,000 minimum. And that's for flat items only. They want a ball or a bat signed, they pay extra. No exceptions. Trust me, you sign a bat for one 9-year-old with cancer and pretty soon they all want it gratis." Milledge paused briefly as he thought everything over. "I still don't see what was so wrong," he said. "I had a good time, yeah, but more importantly the fans had a good time. They were cheering me and I showed my appreciation. I thought that's what we were supposed to do -- entertain the fans. Show we care. People say it was special when Cal Ripken Jr. reached out to the fans during his victory lap after breaking Lou Gehrig's record. But why should it be a special occasion? Shouldn't we connect with fans every game? Shouldn't we always shake their hands and thank them for supporting us through thick and thin, through steadily increasing ticket prices and stadium blackmail? Aren't we supposed to be bringing young fans to the game? Aren't we supposed to make the fans smile?" "Nah, that's what we got Mr. Met for," Randolph replied. "You, however, are supposed to shut up and go about your business like all the other rookies. You're supposed to play the game, come into the clubhouse, turn up the stereo system to 11, sit in the lunchroom watching highlights on "SportsCenter" until the writers have to leave because they're on deadline and then go out to a strip joint to wind down. "What you're not supposed to do is make a fool of yourself. You're supposed to show the game respect. Got that?" Milledge nodded. "Good," Randolph said, pulling something out of his desk drawer. "Now, go slip into this cheerleaders skirt and nylon stockings. It's rookie hazing day and we've got a flight to catch." BOX SCORE LINE OF THE WEEK When Jamie Moyer was a rookie in 1986, he threw a two-hitter against the Expos. It took him only 20 years and seven organizations, but he finally threw another one last Friday to shut out the Royals 4-0 in two hours. His line: 9 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 2 K At 43, he is the oldest pitcher to throw a complete game shutout since Charlie Hough in 1994. Jim Caple is a senior writer for ESPN.com. You can reach Jim at jimcaple.com. Sound off to Page 2 here.

ScarletKnight41 wrote: ="Elster88"] And I guess some people think his offensive production outweighs the impact of the errors to the point that he deserves beer. I'm just not one of them. That's cool. Reasonable minds can disagree about this. Well yeah, that's what I was going for. ]Just don't get apoplectic when some of us weigh different factors more heavily or lightly than you do. Elster88 - "He takes his Schaefer voting too seriously."

Then I shouldn't have gotten on your case so much. My bad.

I was also wondering if Matsui makes that play. I don't watch the Yanks enough to be a good judge, but my guess would be no.

From the 6/5/06 Schaefer thread. Nymr83 wrote: ="Elster88"] I think a 5 is a little high (for Soler), but I can see the argument for it. I think 6 is too much. JMHO. i think 5 or 5.5 is about right, but i needed to vote 6 to balance out what i saw as the absurdly low 4's given So essentially what you're saying is you change your vote to cancel out how other people vote?! THIS, I have a problem with. Vote as you see fit....DO NOT vote to counter what other people vote. If other people think he only deserves 4, then that should taken into account in the average. If you adjust your vote then you cancel out what someone else's legitimate belief was. It's not up to you to decide what is "absurdly low" or too high or whatever. I know that I argue, sometimes too adamantly, when I disagree with someone's scoring, but that's part of the "debate and discussion". Adjusting your voting to cancel out what someone does is crossing the line into minimizing his view. I shouldn't change my vote from a 4 to a 3 because I saw people voting higher than I wanted. Doing that is unfair.

But even if he didn't lose the entire game by himself, I'd argue that after his performance he doesn't deserve any Schaefer for yesterday's game. I know not everyone has the chance to watch the game and not everyone reads the IGT's, and it's sometimes hard to get a handle on the game from the Box score. And I guess some people think his offensive production outweighs the impact of the errors to the point that he deserves beer. I'm just not one of them.

I had thought the longball was a problem for him last year, but then when I looked at the numbers (last year) they didn't show it.

Yancy Street Gang wrote: ="RealityChuck"]When he was traded to the Mets, the fans howled at the team for giving away Mazzilli. By '86, it stood as one of the best deals the team ever made. Was there that much howling at the time of the trade? Bad Guys said something about that too but I don't recall people being too up in arms about losing Mazzilli. By spring of 1982 we had pretty much given up on hoping he'd be the next Mickey Mantle. Because Met fans get attached to their superstars to the point that they are blind to the possiblity that trading said superstars could benefit the team. Come on, EVERYBODY knows that. SC = do I really need to say?

Well. Fine. Be logical. Edit: I'm Ronnie Darling.

Valentin cost us the game!!

No apology necessary.

The new avatars are nice, but lend themselves to confusion.

My plea: Do NOT give Valentin any points for yesterday's game!! (the 8-5 loss to the Dodgers)

Wright 1.75 Woodward 1.5 Delgado 1 Beltran 0.75 Oliver 0.75

I was curious how much Lastings would get. Not a lot of people woulda scored in that spot, 'tis true. He deserves the beer.

My apologies. I didn't know all that. From what I'd read/skimmed and heard, I only thought the potential new reprecussions would be if Grimsley "named names", and that the rest was a mostly a rehash of old news. As a seperate legal question, does it matter if Grimsley testifies that someone else does/did steroids? Isn't that a he said/he said type of deal?

I don't think we did a Ron Darling thread yet. He once dated Madonna. He didn't like wearing a hat. The ladies in the family loved him. He was nice to Timmy after Game 1 in '86. I'm pleased with his performance as color man on SNY so far.

Jason Grimsley admitted to steriod use I'm not sure why this is a big deal today. Apparently, Grimsley failed a drug test in 2003, so this isn't new (unless that was before they were publicizing the results of the testing?). On the radio this morning (pinch of salt) they made it seem like Grimsley was going to name names. He apparently has ties to BALCO. Here's the article: ________________________________ Arizona Diamondbacks pitcher Jason Grimsley told federal investigators he used illegal performance-enhancing drugs, according to court documents unsealed late Tuesday. Thirteen agents searched Grimsley's house in Scottsdale, Ariz., for six hours Tuesday, according to Internal Revenue Service agent Mark Lessler, who would not say what they found. In seeking a judge's permission for the search, investigators who cracked the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative steroid scandal said Grimsley initially cooperated in the probe. He withdrew his assistance in April, but not before he allegedly made "extensive statements" about illegal drug use, "for the purpose of performance enhancement," according to the court documents. IRS agent Jeff Novitsky told the federal judge that investigators wanted to search the right-hander's house for "any and all records showing contact or relationship with any and all amateur or professional athletes, athletic coaches or athletic trainers" regarding illicit drug use and purchases. According to Novitsky, Grimsley told him the names of other players he believed were using, but the names of those players were blacked out of the court records. "I have no comment about that and no idea about that," Grimsley told The Arizona Republic on Tuesday, hours before the Diamondbacks played the Philadelphia Phillies. After Arizona's 10-1 loss, manager Bob Melvin said news of the investigation might have affected the team. Grimsley spent the game in the bullpen and warmed up at one point. "Certainly, it locks you up for a little bit, but down the road we'll be fine," Melvin said. "We haven't convicted this guy. This is an ongoing investigation. I just think that the effect on us today, as we heard about one of our teammates, it certainly had an effect on us. Nothing's been proven. He hasn't been proven guilty of anything. It's just, there's allegations." Diamondbacks managing general partner Ken Kendrick issued a statement saying, "We were first informed of this situation late this afternoon. This is a federal investigation, and as long as it is active and ongoing, we are prohibited from making any further comments." Grimsley began his big league career with Philadelphia in 1989 and has pitched for Cleveland, California, the New York Yankees, Kansas City, Baltimore and Arizona. He has a career record of 42-58 with a 4.77 ERA. According to court documents, Grimsley failed a league drug test in 2003. Authorities said when he was cooperating, he admitted to using human growth hormone, amphetamines and steroids. He added that amphetamine use was prevalent in pro baseball, and that it was placed in coffee in clubhouses -- marked "leaded" or "unleaded" to indicate which pots contained the drugs -- Novitsky wrote. The Republic reported that Latino players were cited by Grimsley in the court documents as a major source of amphetamines, as were major leaguers on California teams who could easily travel to Mexico to buy the drugs. The newspaper reported that the affidavit, which was filed in U.S. District Court in Phoenix, said that Grimsley took delivery of two kits containing human growth hormone at his home on April 19. Word of the Grimsley investigation comes nearly two months after an Illinois-based scientist prominent in the field of sports nutritional supplements pleaded guilty to supplying the BALCO lab with the performance-enhancing drug known as "the clear." Patrick Arnold pleaded guilty to one count of conspiracy to distribute steroids to BALCO, a steroid ring that San Francisco investigators broke up two years ago. Those same authorities are targeting Grimsley. Arnold is scheduled to be sentenced in August and most likely will face three months in jail and three months of home detention. A federal grand jury in San Francisco is also investigating whether San Francisco Giants outfielder Barry Bonds lied under oath about using "the clear." A separate federal grand jury is probing who leaked Bonds' testimony from the BALCO investigation to the San Francisco Chronicle. So far, the BALCO probe has netted guilty pleas from Arnold, BALCO president Victor Conte, Bonds' trainer Greg Anderson, BALCO vice president James Valente and track coach Remi Korchemny.