Zvon

="Edgy DC"]Being that we have no photos of the specific subject, the moment is not exactly being depicted as the most intimate of gestures. agreed Edgy

="Frayed Knot"] And I'm certainly not buying the argument (put forth from several sources) that the 'importance of this game' means you somehow get more lax on a call like this. MFY fans have this tendancy to think that games affecting their possible ouster from the playoffs are somehow more parmount than those played by mere mortals. point taken. Tho i was more referring to the importance of the situation.\ Im no Yank fan. I just dont hate them like your typical met fan. When it comes to post season (with no Mets) I not only want to see good games & good baseball,.... I hate for it to end. So Im always rooting for maxed out series's, extra innings,....anything to keep the baseball season alive. Either way we did get the most games out of that series, so im not complaining. Just talkin. ] If I were going to cry about a call I'd go to the one where Cano jumped off the base a partial second too soon on the force play. Your right,...this was more of a surprise call than the play at 1st, and was, imo, not of a consistant nature. They always give the 2nd baseman that call. I guess my feeling is a good game for an umpire is when he goes totally unnoticed. And this applies only to the call at 2nd base, cuz the call at 1st did require more involvement. It still was nitpicking. Id bet donuts to dollars that if Cano was ruled safe at 1st, there would have been not even a hint of argument from the Angels bench. So the ump ended up making a big play there, not the players. But if the rule says both feet had to be totally in that zone, I guess he had every right. Im just sayin I just didnt like it. Lets face it,.....this all goes back to JC Martins bunt in the '69 series. Ever since umps have been looking to balance out that non-call,...lol.

Nymr83 wrote: They're both filty rich and when they fight there is nobody to feel bad for but the fans. BINGO! ....unfortunately And we love the game so much we really cant do anything about it. We want the games to be played. Maybe we are now the slaves.

Nymr83 wrote: free agency in the 70's may have CREATED parity in the 70's and 80's. that parity clearly left in the 90's and if baseball wants it back it will take 2 years of striking at least to impose a salary cap. ......something has to be done. Its a spiral that started upward and outward but has turned inward and downward (as far as the state of the game), imo. I hate to compare it to slavery, the relationship between owners and players, but there are analogies, and I do believe that things were rebalanced at a point and ultimately overcompensated. Players should be paid fairly and what they are worth. They are overpaid. Owners should make money. They have to adjust prices to do it. Its out of control and the players will never concede anything, which, to me, is a problem. Of course, there was a time when the owners would not concede, but we are far past that point.

awsum post Yancy. Totally entertaining to browse thru those lists. Thank you sir. Did you create all that,.. is this a CPF exclusive? You get my Riengold Poster Of The Year award dude.

Frayed Knot wrote: The Cano call was absolutely correct and I'm surprised at how much talk there's been about this -- even from non-NYY fans. He was running with his right foot on the fair side of the baseline the entire way down the line (at least 3 full strides worth). I mean if he was at least straddling the line a bit maybe he'd get away with it but that call was a no-brainer IMO. The throw doesn't need to hit him to affect the play. id have to get a closer look at the footage. i only saw what they showed as it happened. I thought his right foot caught line on every stride but one. It was a wierd call to make considering it wasnt an obvious amount (off the line) and it was at such a crucial time. No matter the baseline issue, that throw doesnt get caught at 1st.

Valadius wrote: Reggie Sanders looks like he's a ballet dancer or something... that was funny enuff to watch live, but that photo takes the cake. Live I actually thought at 1st the ball hit off his head.Lol.

.....and just when I say that Edmunds makes a fantastic catch and wakes me right up.

Zvon wrote: Cards win, 5-3. A rather boring game. I still love a boring game. Cuz its baseball. So far tonights game is also technically boring, with Houston up 2-0 in the 6th. But the game is never really boring to true students of the game.

I see I put this in the wrong thread, so Il reproduce it here: To my eye it bounced up, but within the catchers glove. It hit the leather pocket and not the ground, and bounced off the ground under the leather and up into the heart of the glove. It was a terrible call, especially since the ump did ring him up. In a play like that the ump should indicate a strikeout and the ball is in play, in that order. So he should have rung him up and then waved safe, as in fair ball, in play. This and the call on Cano in the Yankee series can undermine a game and sometimes a series. Cano should not have been called out, imo, and I was really surprised there wasnt a bigger argument mounted there. That was a crucial play in a crucial inning at a crucial time.

To my eye it bounced up, but within the catchers glove. It hit the leather pocket and not the ground, and bounced off the ground under the leather and up into the heart of the glove. It was a terrible call, especially since the ump did ring him up. In a play like that the ump should indicate a strikeout and the ball is in play, in that order. So he should have rung him up and then waved safe, as in fair ball, in play. This and the call on Cano in the Yankee series can undermine a game and sometimes a series. Cano should not have been called out, imo, and I was really surprised there wasnt a bigger argument mounted there. That was a crucial play in a crucial inning at a crucial time.

Cards win, 5-3. A rather boring game.

I guess that clinching homer wasnt actually a pinch hit homer. Or was it? Cuz he came in to run for Berkman in that game. Does that at-bat still qualify as a pinch hit?

wowzers. Burke just hit another post season pinch hit homer for the Asstros. A 2 run shot puts Houston on the board. St Loo still has the lead tho, 5-2

Valadius wrote: With my connection in the Tampa Bay ownership group, I could try to make it happen. Do whatever it takes Val. Whoops! I just lost edgy

KC wrote: Yanks really haven't cut it for years with the amount of money they spend - it's approaching a billion dollars since they beat the Mets in 2000. lol....a billion..... when are they gonna realize theres somethings money cant buy. cant buy love, cant buy happiness, cant buy the way the ball bounces in baseball. Money can get you the ingedients, but it cant make em jell.

Mex17 wrote: This would take a bit if financial commitment from a notoriously cheapskate organization in order to really work, but if Stienbrenner is stupid enough to fire Torre, and with Stottlemyre definately leaving and Cashman most likely leaving, how about all three of them going to the Devil Rays together?? Zimmer is already there. . . There is already somewhat of a rivalry. . . The Tampa thing is perfect with the "2nd front office" for the Yankees (and the one that seemingly is more in Stienbrenner's favor) there. . . You have the "big spenders" vs "frugal upstarts" thing going (although, once again, The Devil Rays cannot be quite as obscenely cheap as they have been). . . That, from a dramatic standpoint, is soooo juicy that Selig should even get involved as much as he can in order to make it happen IMO. that would make things interesting. The way Yank fans are trashin A-Rod maybe he can join em down there. Cripes, they are even trashin Matsui, and if they dont re-sign that man, they are the biggest fools in the game.

I want Houston to make it to the Big Show myself. But watching I have to say that the Cards are such a sound baseball team fundimentally that the 'Stos work is certainly cut out for them. I mean, the Cards just telegraphed that squeeze bunt to everyone in the world and still pull it off perfectly. 3-0 cards, in the 3rd.

And the Angels get ripped off by that silly call on strike 3 in the 9th. ouch. I hate when a bad call plays such a big part in the outcome of a game.

KC wrote: I just wanted to use my loose Pink Floyd Wall song reference and gripe a little. lol...kool. We have FX on channel 68 here, and it did take a minute to track it down. Just when you get used to where all the channels are, they shuffle em around. Comcast assholes.

I have the NL game on FOX and the AL game on FX. Ya know, whith all the juggling of game times for TV thats been going on I find it totally rediculous that these games are being played at the same time.

I voted more than one cuz I would write a movie that starts in 62 and ends in 69, following someone who was there thru those yrs. Either a fan, someone who worked for the club like an equiptment manager or something, or a player (that would have to be Kranepool, I suppose). That story would have everything that makes baseball the game it is. And I wouldnt have to embellish a thing.

I totally enjoyed this final game too. Considering I have no interest what so ever in the Angels, both teams made this fun to watch, and the finale was good post season baseball and worth watching. So the post season unfolds, and it dictates itself to me. I want to see a Chicago-Houston World Series.

MFS62 wrote: Zvon, I'd think Cashman would be challenged-out by now. I can't imagine the pressure he was under trying to satisfy Boss George. If all they need is re-tooling, he might look at this as a walk in the park. Later tru...and i have no idea what Cashman really wants. Bein a Philly GM is no picnic, tho. Ive heard Cashman's name in respect to Philly and Seattle so far. Ill take the long shot and bet he stays with the Yanks. He made all the right moves this season, I thought.

mmmmmmmm...... Could be. But the Phils only need a little retooling to get there. I would think he'd want more of a challenge. The Yanks would be fools to let Cashman go, but I do believe he wants out. Wades good moves out weigh his bad moves, imo. They keep on bringing up Shilling and Rolin, but both those players forced trades and Rolin is a bum anyways. Granted, Wade had 8 years to get there, but he assembled a good team. If the Phils get there next year (and they should with some pitching adjustments if they hold on to Wags) the new GM knows he's ridin Wades coat tails.