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Edgy MD wrote: I think that era is effectively wrapped up, and the next GM will land in a much stronger position than Sandy Alderson did. I'd take a slightly less than max return if it shame-insures the Mets pick a GM that's not currently in the front office. but yeah, the new guy (or gal) probably won't deal with frozen assets and a team in the red.

The Wilpons are roughly at zero risk of losing the team, and roughly every one of the 30* owners priorities are making a profit over winning. The difference since Madoff is that the Wilpons are unwilling to risk much of their own money in a gamble to get more via it working out. I don't know what percentage of owners are willing to do that, but it's nowhere near 29. Anyway, my concern about the Familia deal is that they set a target and jumped as soon as the offer topped that. You're setting Familia's value yourself that way, rather than the market setting it. Of course, I'm not the one talking to the other teams and getting a sense of his value, as I'm sure the Mets have been doing for months. I also don't believe said other GM through Bowden that they would've topped Oakland's offer. I also peg the percentage that that GM is Jerry DiPoto at like 70%. Let's see what the other relievers go for.

Here's some fairly well researched facts from Stephania Bell about what's likely bothering Cespedes and the typical treatment for it. https://t.co/qiVXeGwzGo Linked via Lindsey Adler, who I typically find very LOLMets in coverage, which this is not. Here's a quote. The initial course of treatment for this type of condition is typically conservative. Modifications in footwear, physical therapy, episodes of rest and efforts at pain management are all first steps before proceeding to surgery. The medical literature is consistent in recommending surgery as a last resort, in part due to the invasive nature along with the extended recovery time. Depending on the individual case, the recovery window can vary, even exceeding the eight- to 10-month time frame Cespedes referenced.

I guess the Cespedes is a knock if he does indeed need the surgery that will keep him out until the ASB, but I believe you'd contend that this organization has been behaving that way for roughly forever, so I don't know why you'd downgrade them. I agree on the last two, but Dom Smith was failing in the majors so I can't get too worked up about it. As for McNeil who is probably not anything approaching a long term solution, the Mets would get killed for shoving him into a new position in the majors he hadn't been playing. Either way I can't get worked up about him not getting those 50-100 extra PA in the majors. Maybe the extra minor league development time will help him both offensively and defensively in the future. I'm generally pro "Get these guys up here and let them learn here" but there is still actually some value to the minors. There's stuff you just don't get in the majors even for a team that technically is out of it. Especially still in July. The other stuff, well. it's mostly LOLMets stuff. Most of it you, and others, would've been comfortable asserting two weeks ago and you've already criticized me for wanting some critical thinking on the matter and less spinning words to fit the narrative. See, it is the same thing with Beltran in a way, and I agree that the Mets are generally way too conservative in many many ways, but hell, lots of teams are. That Cespedes comments to the press were the first time the Mets heard him say he's considering the more aggressive option isn't really a huge thing, it was just Cespedes being open and honest, something the media's been begging of him for months. I doubt Yoenis was like "oh, it's chronic? shut it down and cut me open immediately so I'm as ready to go in 2019 as I can be!" (Though that's kind of what Beltran did, once he got the second/third opinion or whatever it was. "Oh, that'll work? DO IT." The Mets wanted to have a discussion and weigh their options. They wanted input on personal medical decision, and were mildly put off that Beltran decided on his own. Much like Thor refusing an MRI. That's hardly "DAMMIT CARLOS YOU GET BACK ON THE FIELD AND PLAY INJURED!" but, you know, narrative. But isn't it standard medical practice to let the symptoms heal up before you assess and fix the root cause? Cespedes had ancillary issues as a result of the heel spur, and they wanted those to heal up before fully accessing what was going on, if it could be treated without surgery, etc. Isn't ramping up and playing major league games exactly that? I get the desire, from a wins and losses standpoint, to want him to get cut open and fixed asap, but that's not always the human answer. What i want to know is what that negotiation stands now. What are they actually after with Cespedes playing some games now? Was this just a way to get the issue talked about and move on? Because I still don't understand how he can't DH back to back games, unless the scratch Saturday was more a result of rushing him back a little bit and not necessarily heel related? I feel like there's so much garbage and noise coverage out there, a lot of it clickbait narrative trash, that it's more time consuming to find the actual answers to the real questions.

cooby wrote: Some kid out there also has hand foot and mouth disease and is desperately hoping it’s not traced back to him LOL nah, the opposite. "I gave Noah Syndergaard hand foot and mouth!" is quite the brag.

My thinking hasn't changed much over two games, if anything it's gotten better with the Conforto home run. Conforto and Rosario are still the keys.

batmagadanleadoff wrote: The Mets aren't putting up any more of the team for sale, so they won't be receiving any more money. It's two of the recent investors that are interested in selling their shares. Besides, the Wilpon/Katz group now owns just 51% of the team, after the recent Madoff necessitated selloff. well sort of. _Sterling Equities_ owns 51% or whatever. 52 I think, if it was really 12 4% shares. but Jeff Wilpon bought one. Saul Katz bought one. SNY bought 4. No one ever talks about it like that though. The creative accounting must be confusing to baseball writers. As far as this trade goes, on one's seemingly leaked a report of an obviously better offer, though Law asserts it and then claims it's not on him to cite anything approaching a source.

Centerfield wrote: Ceetar wrote: smg58 wrote: He's going for an MRI tomorrow with a visit to a foot specialist. This was probably what Cespedes wanted in the first place. I think quite the opposite. It really is amazing how entrenched you are in your thinking. I would think if I was as consistently wrong about things as you are I would start second guessing myself. But you. You just keep chugging along. If i was actually wrong, maybe. But I'm not. I just take almost nothing from anonymous Mets 'insiders' filtered through reports at face value. Really I'm just asking for some fucking critical thinking and the so called Mets "reporters" are incapable of it. The way they've treated Cespedes is pathetic. As pathetic as the Wilpons are, there's no way they're dumb enough to prioritize practically meaningless ticket revenue for a few months of a dead season for even a month of 2019 time when that potential revenue is probably worth 2x even without factoring in the exponential value of Cespedes being ready to go a month earlier and earning the Mets wins. Did Cespedes beg to be put on the DL? Did he beg out of those rehab games a month ago halfway through? Supposedly Cespedes was the one that asked to play first, not the Mets trying to force him to play through it.

smg58 wrote: He's going for an MRI tomorrow with a visit to a foot specialist. This was probably what Cespedes wanted in the first place. I think quite the opposite.

don't address your fans thru reporters this invalids literally his entire rant.

hey guys, i finally watched this. I kinda loved it. But can we talk about how the 'seed of rebellion in all of us' stuff and how that kid at the end can use the force? There was a little too much "Okay, okay, he/she is dead. that's sad. OH WAIT NO" I assume the same will happen with Rose? I'm glad this didn't mirror episode 5 the way 7 mirrored 4. At least, it's framed as the good guys 'winning' even though like 95% of the resistance was wiped out and the outer reaches didn't answer the call. But they got the propaganda out about Luke facing off against the First Order and winning. But at the end of 5, Luke is beaten back by Vader physically and mentally but in 8 Rey is already making herself a legend. There's a lot that goes unsaid and I think that made the movie play well. Luke never delivered the 'third lesson' right, the one that would supposedly make Rey realize the Jedi were bad or whatever? Also the astral projection stuff was super obvious once Luke decided to walk out. Thought I don't understand why he didn't tell them to escape rather than so the movie could have plot growth for Poe to not just want to shoot things. and yeah, Chewbacca should've eaten the Porg. It would've been like in Moana when she's all like "MMmm, delicious pork!" in front of her pig friend

Mets are going to dominate their opponents so much that no save situations will present themselves.

The #BlametheWilpons answer is not anyone that's going into arbitration because save totals still seem to affect that.

Plawecki most days.

Cabrera and Familia are both very good, but I'm not sure trading very good gets you that much back these days. But they'll probably get something useful at least. I'm never particularly whelmed by minor leaguers, and they're almost definitely not getting a Wheeler back or something like that.

Nimmo Thor

Frayed Knot wrote: There's nothing wrong with liking to see displays of patriotism. Those are real vets out there. The issue is the cynical and untransparent relationships, agreements, and money behind them, along with the heavy-handed enforcement from league offices. Or from the NFL which, it was eventually revealed, was flat-out selling their patriotic 'displays' which were nothing more than bought and paid for advertisements by the U.S. gov't (aka: your tax dollars at work) gussied up to look like tribute. I think that's what Nick is asserting for the MLB. Probably true, even if it's 5% less true or whatever. Also seems true that no one really cares.

I mean, he did violate the rules.

Sure. So let's keep it on whether we think it's boring and not how to fix it for mythical other people that may or may not be finding it boring as a reason to not watch.

d'Kong76 wrote: Edgy MD wrote: I find it hard to dispute that fans are growing disconnected. Here, there, and everywhere. I don't think anyone is disputing that. That doesn't make it boring. Oh, I'm disputing that. That's very much in dispute.

I couldn't really figure out what that was. They just covering their butts with the licensee thing right? And "I refused to even ask" is certainly grounds for dismissal. I mean, he's right about the garbage patriotism but I don't believe they're getting hard questions, or necessarily refusing veterans based on reserve duty? I don't know what that means? What is he insinuating?

But like, they make it in 2019 or 2020 and that qualifies right?

Fman99 wrote: I'd rather watch a Suzyn Waldman pap smear than the home run derby. the world cup was yesterday.

Nothing better than the crack of the bat as dinger after dinger flies into the stands. Wish Harper had struck out though.

It's not a good thing if he signs soon. No way interim shared-GMs have the authority to do that. And there's really no reason for the Mets to do it, nor to take that huge decision in roster building from your next GM. It's one of those "owner meddling" things we'd like to avoid. I guess barring something ridiculous like deGrom agreeing to an adjusted 6/72 contract.