Ceetar

fuck prospects. None of them will approach being as good as Thor is. Keep him, win next year. It's not absurd.

Frayed Knot wrote: A baserunner, a baserunner!! Not a hit yet, mind you, but a real live baserunner. and now it's tied. Padres are bad.

metirish wrote: Well, this sucks, we have seen the last of his best I would think... Nah. This doesn't feel like one of those patch type surgeries. Plus this gives all the other hamstring/hip stuff time to fully heal and not be nagging. Better than ever when he returns.

Lefty Specialist wrote: Gah! Will no one rid me of this meddlesome Reyes? Evans is getting over an infection and isn't back to full 100% energy apparently. Callaway said there is plenty of time in the future for McNeil to start, and I hope that was a loaded statement.

8-10, could be longer. separate surgeries for each heel (2-3 months apart, presumably so he can hobble around and isn't completely wheelchair bound) I'd expect ASB to be the barometer. contract insured, will get some back. won't reinvest. As is pretty obvious given they're out of it. 2019 plans are still being discussed (it won't be by these three anyway, so any assertions they made about it would be bunk anyway) Pain progressed to the point that it was unmanageable through conservative methods.

Sometimes, I wish I lived in Ceetars optimistic world of blue and orange. Plus there's a lot of beer in Ceet's world ... so, y'know, there's that. Beer: Because You Can't Drink Bacon *shrug* I like the Mets, win or lose. I get significantly less enjoyment from season like this, but hell, there's always next year.

d'Kong76 wrote: But it's pitcher wins and meaningless anyway. d'Kong76 wrote: First-pitcher ever What is meaningless about first-ever anything? pitchers pitch less and less! There've only been like 20 pitchers since '69 to even throw to less than a 2 ERA. They lose most of these deGrom starts because they lose most of their games period. Mets have won .418 percent of their games. Mets have won .400 of deGrom's games. They're just not scoring enough in general.

smg58 wrote: Britton is recovering from an injury and is not better than Familia right now (he’s certainly not a safer bet over the next two months), but he is left handed. Wall and Carrol are similar pitchers at this point, with nothing left to prove at AAA. This means the Orioles got a top-10 (but high risk) prospect plus a potentially serviceable lefty, where the Mets got an underachieving third baseman and slot money. It’s very difficult to place a value on the slot money, but $1M is quite a bit of it and Rogers has limited upside. Tate has a ton of upside, but it has taken him three years for him to stay healthy long enough to graduate AA and he’s not being lights out about it. Toffey doesn’t have the same upside, but he can do better than the underwhelming numbers he’s put up so far this year. The Orioles came out with a better take at first glance due to Tate’s upside, but not overwhelmingly so. They should've paid Britton's salary then to get better prospects.

Anyway, Mets and Cespedes are conferring now about whether or not to get surgery. I'd be surprised if we saw him again much before the ASB if he does get the surgery, so.. sign Harper? or is Machado the better get and a right-handed platoon friend for Bruce?

'people'? what's the question? I'm not denying that fans and the media were questioning his motives.

G-Fafif wrote: McNeil to wear No. 68, because Mets don't care, do they? it's 86 backwards. We finished in first in '86, and the opposite of that is..apparenly Jeff McNeil.

Did I miss part one? I watch so little SNY. Almost never anything except the Mets games. I consume the games almost entirely via the streaming app these days in which I'm only half paying attention to (especially the second half) while Doc McStuffins plays on the main TV so I don't even see the promos. I barely know who any of these people are.

those aren't facts that are bolded. The Mets want him to continue to play through pain. The Mets put him on the DL when the pain didn't go away. Both them and Cespedes to this point were in agreement about the course of action. It's not on Alderson to make the specific condition public. That's a different argument about how forthcoming a team should be with a player's personal medical situation/injury. He DIDN'T question the integrity of the player, he expressed disappointment and frustration at the lack of recovery, which I'm sure Cespedes mimicked. There's no indication he was pissed. I think the only comment he made publicly the entire time was "I don't know if I could help even If I came back". He didn't drop a bombshell upon returning, he was just more forthcoming than the Mets expected. And again, this is with MORE information. This was post-feeling pain again. He talked to the press before he talked to the team/doctors, because it was literally post game. Again, gag order? Maybe? That's kinda fine. The Mets always got criticized for rushing to make statements without all the facts in a row, and like I inferred, they've been trying to focus the messaging, at least in regards to medical stuff. A "We'll address it via the front office at the next game" Is hardly a gag order, it was literally a direct and specific decision to address it via press conference versus leaking out tidbits from the various contacts of random reporters and risk sending mixed or conflicting messages.

Frazier to first. The Yankees will pick up Reyes.

Methead wrote: At this point, I'm not sure how he's getting any sleep at night. he's got a 7 month old, so yeah, no.

Frayed Knot wrote: Justin Turner to the DL ... Machado slides over to play 3rd. That's good, since that's where he's going to play here next year assuming Rosario remains viable at SS.

A Boy Named Seo wrote: I felt so bad for him, he looked so pissed last night. Will he end up with more WAR than actual wins? It's a dead heat right now, 4.9 to 5. 6.2 rWAR though. It's a nice example of the Mets poor offense, how good deGrom is, and a lot of luck. But it's pitcher wins and meaningless anyway.

none of the things you said there are factually supported. sorry, not 'none'. but starting with 'cespedes wants surgery'

seawolf17 wrote: There's ZERO logic to Flores 1B/Reyes 3B over Flores-McNeil 3B/Smith 1B. Zero. My guess is they're clinging to the idea that if Reyes gets hot for a few weeks they could swing him for _something_. and I think they're mad at Smith for only walking once in like a month. so maybe like..0.5% logic? I guess they played Smith in the outfield in Vegas last night. Getting some instruction hopefully, not that there's any room for him out there in the majors anyway..

Centerfield wrote: Of course the Mets knew. That's what I've been saying. Each time I end up in an argument with you I tell myself it's the last time. It's incredibly frustrating. I don't think you're even bothering to read what I write. Then why are we asserting that the Mets were blindsided by Cespedes mentioning the surgery? They weren't. They merely, as usual, were clinging to the conservative approach and hadn't talked about the surgery. Hey reporters, can someone ask Cespedes if he felt this heel pain in the minors last week? Or do we have the DL to blame/thank for even knowing about this? If the Subway Series had been at Citi and they hadn't activated Cespedes, would he have just been scratched from a Vegas rehab game and then they'd have had this discussion privately?

A Boy Named Seo wrote: And MLBTR report on July 20th cites Tracky and DiComo as reporting the A's and Cubs were interested, but had competition. Bold is mine. It seems these organizations are hardly the only ones with interest. At least seven or eight contenders have made contact regarding Familia, according to reports from Andy Martino of SNY.tv and MLB.com’s Anthony DiComo. The precise timeline of a deal isn’t at all clear, and will surely depend upon how talks progress. But the Mets are already “exchanging names” of potential prospects with interested teams, Martino adds. That's a day before the Mets took the A's offer. And even if you love that A's offer, it makes all the sense in the world to call the other teams before you accept it and give everyone else a last shot to change your mind. yeah, it's the exchanging names bit that I keyed in on. That's consistent with how the Mets have operated under Alderson and I guess the same holds true for his lieutenants? You pick the guy you want, and if you can get him, you take him. I'm not saying it's a great way to operate, but under the same token, this is outside of the salary thing. If they liked another player better from somewhere else, they just as easily should've gone back and say "well, will you also pay the $3 million? We have another offer, are you going to let $3 million keep you from Familia?" Maybe it's the three-headed GM thing. Maybe Sandy would've played it slower and gotten a slightly better return? On the other hand, Oakland, currently, has a full head of steam. What happens if they go 2-6 the next week and decide they're not that close? and then the AL is basically decided and maybe none of the other teams think the price for another reliever just for the playoffs is as high as it was either. You cut the market in half. But mainly what I don't buy is the salary relief theory. It makes a ton more sense that teams are valuing there prospects more than ever and that giving up a better one for the sake of a few million just isn't the move anymore. I think the money part of the equation is much lower than it was. Centerfield wrote: It makes all the sense in the world to call around again if your goal is to maximize your return. It makes all the sense in the world NOT to call, if your goal is to unload the salary. The Mets would have been in an awkward position if another team offered more in return but demanded the Mets pay the salary. Basically, once Oakland agreed to take on the entire salary, that was it. Their main goal was accomplished. hell, they could've traded him a month ago if all they wanted to do was offload the salary and get a warm body.

Yes but he wasn't on the DL for the heel spurs. He was on the DL with the hip flexor. And how was Alderson expressing regret that he wasn't back yet asking him to play through pain? WHO do you think put Cespedes on the DL? How is that trashing him to the press and questioning his integrity? There's a difference between calling him out versus being frustrated he's injured. What source do you have that suggests the Mets demanded Cespedes not talk, when the common sense answer is that why would he want to talk to a bunch of people that criticized him for driving fast cars and playing golf? You know where that bit came from right? It was when the Mets were in Miami and the press was angry that the Mets didn't have Cespedes drive down from PSL to talk to them. Too much of this is coming from the press (the same for Beltran btw!) Cespedes, 32, reported to spring training having changed his offseason workouts to try and keep his legs flexible and healthy. Come on? You don't think this was them trying to keep his spurs healthy? The Mets have been controlling the message on injuries for a year or two now. They've seemingly been trying to keep the message coming from the FO and not from the manager, and seem to like to only address something once. At least that's the trends I'm seeing. Sandy called the situation chronic in the press conference a few months back. Mickey mentioned it before the series. But sure, the Mets didn't have any idea?

A Boy Named Seo wrote: You don't think another GM would up their offer if they felt they could top one they thought was inferior to theirs? The fact that Mets may not have called other interested teams to ask for a last/best offer seems crazy to me. And I didn't say the Mets "ignored" any offers and didn't point to anything that said they did, but if this GM was playing hardball and the Mets knew it, then you absolutely go back and say, "last chance here, or we trade trade him to someone else today." If they say no, great. But why not make that call? Why not mull over multiple best offers? I think the Mets had a pretty good sense of the other offers, and in particular, their stance of the guy they'd need to go with them. If they'd already had the conversation with the Mariners and were convinced that diPoto was under no circumstances going to part with that one prospect they really coveted better than what Oakland was offer, why call them back? I mean, I agree I don't love that the Mets went the "come give us your best offers" rather than going out and repeatedly peddling him around and trying to get a bidding war up (if such a thing was going to happen) but I don't buy that this GM was actually going to top the offer.

see, your premise starts wrong. *This weekend, for the first time, Cespedes has raised the issue of surgery. All Cespedes did was mention it's something he has to consider. Everyone knew that the surgery was the end point they just didn't think there were there yet. It's absolutely infuriating that after months of barraging Cespedes to talk that they're killing them for being too open about it. I don't know where they were on the conservative timeline. I suspect the spurs were nowhere near as bad when they acquired him. It sounds like the heel itself was never the real issue. If you want to point fingers, I'd start with not instantly pegging the ancillary leg/hip issues as a result of compensating for the heel. It sounds like he made these physical adjustments (probably mentally, as we do when part of us hurts) and was mostly fine for a while, and when he later developed issues from that, perfectly normal ballplayer issues that happen to everyone, they didn't instantly think "well, maybe we should see if we can put some cushions in his shoe". Beyond that, the Mets (and/or Barwis I guess) are not, or at least ,were not (I've heard some positive things this year on this front) have not been doing things like monitoring nutrition or running mechanics (Hey Reyes, run differently!) , and all this advanced body metric/fit bit type stuff. That cutting edge science/tech stuff that could give teams an edge. (like feeding the minor leaguers!) That's always been my contention, that they don't push the damn envelope, or at least, what they think is pushing the envelope is really just hiring big name guys through nepotism like Barwis, who very well might just be fine, but they never quite fully vet these guys. It feels like typical rich people stuff "Do I know a guy who does X?" versus "Let's find the absolute best guy who does X". And THAT is where the Mets are actually poor at, though I can't speak to how most of the other rich owners find people.

A Boy Named Seo wrote: Ceetar wrote: Anyway, my concern about the Familia deal is that they set a target and jumped as soon as the offer topped that. You're setting Familia's value yourself that way, rather than the market setting it. Of course, I'm not the one talking to the other teams and getting a sense of his value, as I'm sure the Mets have been doing for months. I also don't believe said other GM through Bowden that they would've topped Oakland's offer. I also peg the percentage that that GM is Jerry DiPoto at like 70%. The quote wasn't that they would've topped it, but that they were surprised the Mets never game them the chance. Regardless, why wouldn't you believe it? I just don't believe that mystery GM was suddenly going to up his offer to a point that the Mets would've taken it over the Athletics. You really think it's more believable that the Mets ignored this person's offer over $3 million? And aside from that, if this GM was playing hard ball, he lost. The Mets believed his hard line that he wasn't raising his offer and he knew, as we all did, that there were other teams interested. You could say maybe this was some due to some unfamiliarity, but it's not like these three haven't been with the Mets for a while. The rumored deal was leaked well before it was official, if said GM really wanted Familia he could've picked up a phone at anytime to call the Mets. that's just more believable than they took the first offer that let them offload the salary.