Ceetar

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Rubin suggests maybe a reliever goes for Cedeno, I guess Elvin Ramirez. Hefner maybe. hasn't been used, have Batista as a long guy, Hefner probably should remain stretched out to emergency start if/when Young explodes.

metsmarathon wrote: And while the actual win-loss columns may not represent it, we at least know Yankee fans are bad at something well, we already knew they were bad at life. but this is nice to know also. google is giving you driving distance, not actual distance. yeah, but why would anyone off the top of their head know actual distance? We always work with driving distance. in fact, you look at said map and it probably gives you driving distance between major cities. And I bet 95% of the people asked thought "well, it takes about 4 hours to get to Boston..probably takes a little more to DC..Baltimore's right outside..so DC is probably father"

Andy Martino back and covering the team for the ..News right? These guys are so interchangeable from me that I saw his tweets and didn't even think "hey! he's back!" until someone else noticed. He did have a kid, so paternity leave or whatever.

Mets � Willets Point wrote: Yankees fans are bad at geography. Not to defend Yankees fans here..but this is quite the stretch. (and google shows me 206 for Fenway versus 200 for Camden Yards, making it even closer) I would've guessed Boston as well.

Nymr83 wrote: Ceetar wrote: I propose full excerpts of professional idiots, so I don't have to give them page hits. Matthews is on record as basically calling the knuckleball worse than steroids. I'm really really hoping he pipes up with more of that. I propose not polluting the forum with their articles, just paste the dumbest line (no, not "written by Matthews") and assume we don't really want to read it anyway. That works too.

metsguyinmichigan wrote: CBS New York has a neat photo gallery showing R.A. through the years. Seems funny to see him unbearded. I didn't know he was on an Olympic team. http://newyork.cbslocal.com/photo-galleries/2012/06/19/r-a-dickey-through-the-years/ yup, he rather lamenting being cut to the minors in 2010 and having to shave his beard.

G-Fafif wrote: MFYs suddenly admit to passing on Dickey, according to professional idiot Wally Matthews. After the 2009 season, when Dickey was being shopped on the free-agent market, the Yankees kicked the tires on the then-35-year-old journeyman -- and walked away. Y'know that heartwarming story of the career Quadruple-A pitcher who couldn't get a break so he had to make his own and look at him now? Man, would we hate hearing about it if the tire-kicking had gone anywhere. I propose full excerpts of professional idiots, so I don't have to give them page hits. Matthews is on record as basically calling the knuckleball worse than steroids. I'm really really hoping he pipes up with more of that.

as usual, glad I'm going to be in the park and miss this one.

metsmarathon wrote: The greater question is: How many beers is marathon gonna down tonight? it's a good thing i have softball tonight! that just means you should have a hometown IPA. aged on baseball bats.

metsmarathon wrote: pay a lot get a little, bad deal. why is this an argument? Because you're wrong. the little bit extra puts the ball over the fence. A little more MPH puts it past the bat. a little more break is a swing and a miss versus solid contact. A step faster and you beat the throw. Or more important, a little bit more winning gets you into the playoffs, versus not. it's ALL ABOUT how the team performs. If Matt Holliday was on the Padres, they're not selling enough extra tickets to cover his salary. Because there is ALWAYS more money. there is no salary cap. There are only so many wins. they're the hotter commodity. There is no prize for efficiency. This is what gets the Yankees into the playoffs every year. The ability to spend that extra money wildly, for a couple more wins.

anything can happen. Bay sucked, but that was a low percentage result. You're generally paying a guy based on past production, hoping he repeats that. I was using the Bay/Holliday example at the time of signing. Bay was worth 4.9 WAR in 2009. ($21.9) made $8.6 in 2010 (really roughly a $15/per deal) Holliday was worth 5.6 ($25.3) made $16 in 2010 What you're saying is Bay is the better buy. whether you want to look at net money or $/WAR. But Holliday is, and was, the better player. the extra win or so via Holliday is very expensive, but it's one more win. that's important. the exact nature of it obviously matters and how close it gets you to the playoffs, but 86 win teams make more money than 85 win teams. but 1 WAR is probably understating it. an 89 win team draws fans throughout the season. an 86 win team might have it's fans lose interest as if they're 8 out in September. never mind the windfall if that extra win gets you INTO the playoffs. I used this earlier, but it still makes sense. If you could add a +1 win player to the 2007 Mets or the 2011 Braves, it's practically priceless. 8 figure income per playoff game, depending on how far they advance. increased ad revenue and exposure. attention. renewed season tickets. all of it. Fangraphs $value is just another way to say WAR. it's just in a dollar amount. It's like trying to argue 63 dollars is different than 40 British pounds. it's not. it's just a different unit. If the money buys me MORE of what I'm desperately craving (hamburgers, software, wins) then I'm happy.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: And what we're saying is that, no, that isn't always the case. Anything can happen, but when you make a deal you give more money to the guy that's better. Reyes is better. What's the alternative? crap. Greg Dobbs. Bonifacio. crap. Those guys are not Reyes. I'm arguing under the condition that that _is_ the case. That Reyes is the best baseball player available to the particular situation. That he will still be that way in 6 years. That except in all but some crazy trade scenarios Reyes on the team wins more games than anything they could do to manipulate the situation so that Reyes' money is allocated elsewhere. Specifically, since we're talking in the abstract here, the percent chance that Reyes gives you ..say 4 WAR to pick an evaluation parameter.. is higher than the combined percent chance that the guys you replace him with give you that 4 WAR. Reyes is better. he's more expensive, but he's better. The ultimate goal is always to accumulate as many wins as you can get. Always. If you plug in a 2 WAR SS, you've limited the cap at which you can accumulate WAR at that position and you raise the bar at every other position to compensate. Furthermore, by spreading that money out you can raise costs later on. say you have 2 WAR at SS and 2 WAR at CF (a marlins crap position right now). Maybe you only pay $5 and $5 for that. That's $7 million less than Reyes for the same wins, except you've now used up an additional position. If you need to make your team better, you have to first discard $5million and 2 WAR. Whereas now you can upgrade CF for free, without losing anything. In the first example if you wanted to sign a $10million 3 WAR player, it would cost you $15 and you'd only get 1 WAR. in the second, with Reyes, you spend $10 and get 3 WAR.

metsmarathon wrote: if i hire a software engineer for $60k a year and he only puts out the same level and quantity of work as a software engineer i could have hired for $40k a year, it was a bad hire, no? Did the project get done on time? was the client happy? That's not what I'm saying though. I'm saying that the more expensive guy gives you more value. just not more value per dollar. The 40k a year engineer got the project done a week late and there were a number of bugs that needed to be addressed. The client is not thrilled. (the client being the fan? Competitive into September?) The company saved 20k. That certainly got more value out of the cheaper programmer. But they didn't get the gold star and the client recommendation. When they try to sell their program to the next client (next year's season ticket holders) less of them are impressed with it than would've been had then invested the extra money. In most cases more money gets you a better product. you pay exponentially for the extra value, but if you want that value, you gotta shell out for it. The Mets purchased Jason Bay. Ignoring what he did and going back to what was expected based on his history, it's not a completely horrible deal. Matt Holliday cost a lot more, but he was probably the better player. If the Cardinals had gone the slightly more cost effective route and taken Bay instead of Holliday, would they have won the World Series?

Edgy DC wrote: Mmmmm... Ice meal... . Ceetar wrote: I'd still wager he'll be valuable through all 6 years of it. We're just going to circle around this one all day and night. well yeah. we are.

No, just going back to my original remark, and what prompted a wager, about whether he'll be worth it still in the 6th year. After watching him for 9 years, I'm pretty confident he'll be very good overall. And again, not talking about guys that give nothing. Obviously having guys that give you nothing suck. metsmarathon wrote: if i go to a restaurant and pay thirty dollars for a twenty-dollar meal, i got ripped off. if i go to a restaurant and spend twenty dollars on a thirty-dollar meal, i keep going back there. Did you? why'd you go to the restaurant? To get the best valued meal? or to get food? I could go to Taco Bell in Wayne and get a burrito and eat it. it's yummy and i'm full. I could go to the Taco Bell in the Willowbrook mall and get a burrito for a little more money. It's the same burrito. It's yummy, and i'm full. The yummy and full is what I was trying to achieve. You can go into NYC and get an ice meal. It'll cost you $30 for about $20 worth of food. But it'll be really good. The place down the block from you however, will give you $10 worth of food for $5. It'll taste okay, but will leave you wanting. And then you'll still have to buy dinner. (i.e. need to improve your team elsewhere) The NYC completely sates you and you have a doggie bag that you can reheat later for dinner. And if you can afford it or need to, you can buy something else more substantial and awesome for dinner still. And now we're so far into the abstract i'm not even sure where to go.

i don't think Omar has options.

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Texiera's got a sore achilles and heel pain that kept him out of action yesterday. He says he'll be better Friday but can assure you even if he is he won't be "all better." achilles? That's what Ryan Howard had. They injected him with cortisone to make him better, but there's thoughts it might've contributed to the tear. just saying.

April 19, 2005, Citizens Bank Park, Philadelphia, PA New York Mets 16, Philadelphia Phillies 4 HR: Jos� Reyes 2, Victor Diaz 2, Mike Piazza, David Wright, Doug Mientkiewicz, David Bell, Chase Utley That was before they pushed the walls back. (no idea if that mattered on that day)

And Jeter still 'plays' SS. He's the king of the home-scored (or legacy-scored?) infield error for a hit because it has so much crappy spin on it from him hitting it badly that it's hard to field or get to. I imagine A-Rod will have a couple of weeks where he looks almost normal, the weather heats up, the wind currents at YS carry some.. but yeah, that'll be fun for them as the long hot summer wears on the older players right?

Edgy DC wrote: Omar, I think, will survive. Valdy or Turner would go sooner at this point. Crappy fielding team. I think it behooves us to keep our gloves around. Q is outhitting the field, too. And he outhit Valdespin in Buffalo, too. Next week may change that, but my money's on Q surviving both returns. He's been that good! well he's down to .258 .352 .371 but that's still decent for a SS. I haven't been enamored with his defense either but he has a good rep so maybe that was just a stray error here and there. He has made some nice ones as well. we need a fifth guy for the OF right? Rottino/Valdespin. Quintanilla doesn't play there right? I could see it being Rottino tomorrow, but you might want to keep Valdespin for the 5th OF spot?. Options play into it too I imagine in which case Q probably stays.

I don't know that that counts as a shot more than pure fact.

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Ceetar wrote: I think part of the reason the fans don't seem as "in to it" at Citi Field is because there is less cowbellman. I think it's because they haven't finished with a winning record since the last year at Shea. well, i did say _part_ of the reason.

MFS62 wrote: Time heals all wounds, including needle marks. By the time he's eligible for the Hall voting, the Yankees will have had enough time to schedule enough "He's a good guy" events to make most of the voters forget why they would have kept him out. I heard on WCBS that they've already started planning such an event. Later Clemens you mean? That's December of this year, so they'd better hurry.

I think part of the reason the fans don't seem as "in to it" at Citi Field is because there is less cowbellman. He seems to be there less plus the construction of the stadium was such that it eliminated fans walking in front of you all the time, which is where he thrived.

Well, it's different if a guy's injured. And I wasn't talking life of contract, merely that 6th year. When they go into that season and they're thinking "What can we do to make this team better" I don't think they're going to say "We need to get more production from SS" That's it. Money applied elsewhere is not always a positive transaction. could be. could not be. The value 'expected to get' from $17 million is very much not certain. And I'd rather have one player giving me $12 million worth of production on a $17 price tag than two players doing it. besides The Marlins could suddenly be popular and sell out every game and have a $200 million payroll and Reyes' money isn't keeping them from spending what they feel they need elsewhere. But I don't think the Marlins will be wishing they'd only given him a 5 year deal in the 6th year.