Ceetar

Too many hard decisions, I'll leave it for Terry and Sandy.

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Yesterday, knowing that the Nationals had already lost I went into the Mets-Reds game with more of a sense of ease than I've had in weeks. I do want them to lock this thing down as soon as possible, but it will take a few consecutive bad days for me to start getting nervous again. or two weeks, which ever comes first.

Zvon wrote: Two horrible examples. #1. Awful catcher #2. Catcher was more concerned with a possible pick off. Why does that matter? These were clearly poorly framed pitches, regardless of the reason. But they crossed as close to dead center as you can possibly get, and the umpires called it a ball. It's not that common that they're THAT wrong, but when you start talking about the edges..well, the good framers definitely do better. There's a reason lefties can't hit lefties as well as righties hit righties. It's because the strike zone is literally wider for left-handed hitters. The Cardinals, from 2010-2015 are 449-317 when Yadier Molina is catching and 94-96 when he's not. Framing is extremely real.

Frayed Knot wrote: [fimg=500]http://217.199.187.67/gdptest.dpgplc.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/JugglingBalls.jpg[/fimg] i own these.

d'Kong76 wrote: The point is, the strike zone is where the ball goes over the plate. Not what some some catcher does with his glove afterwards. If the ump is judging by the latter, he's not doing his job well. well yes, which is why we should have robot umps, because humans suck at these things.

2.4 inches from center of zone. This one is literally 1.1 inches from the center of the zone. both called balls thanks to poor framing. (And the Umpires being influenced by it)

d'Kong76 wrote: Even if the ump can see in the second that he has to make the call he's not doing his job if he relies on a framing. It's just stupid. Except there is A LOT of data to suggest it's not.

Frayed Knot wrote: Blue Jays wind up taking two of three in this series -- lead by 3.5 so Yankees fans, get your Wild Card game tickets! what, not interested?

dgwphotography wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: It's the cat's vagina, that's how good it is. Damn, I was going to try and make a Pussy Galore joke to tie it all together, but Goldfinger was only the third film in the James Bond series... 7th book though. That averages out to 5.

wow, early lineup.

I don't see the Nats going better than 5-3, but let's start with the Mets just winning tonight. A week of dragging their feet is enough.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Ceetar wrote: It was nice to see the crowd at Citi into the game though. That's new. Indeed. Nice, engaged-but-festive vibe... at least through 6. even in the 9th a few people tried to start a Lets Go Mets chant instead of angrily grumbling and yelling about firing people. Alex Anthony, PA Guy, definitely threatened the fan that threw Freeman's home run back with ejection and arrest, so that was cool.

I probably walked 5 miles tonight. kept circling the stadium except when I was buying food and drink.

I mean, what will energize this team is the playoffs. They're slumping but the games mean little. Magic number's 5, the Mets might not even need to win another game. They had some hard hit balls at people, Braves had some bleeders that just found grass. Happens. It was nice to see the crowd at Citi into the game though. That's new.

metsmarathon wrote: is it not reasonable to think that, if you were doing chest presses for 6 months at 100 pounds, then stopped for a year and a half, and started again, after 6 months, you would be fatigued? Maybe, maybe not. Maybe all the rehab, even though it wasn't "pitching" has you in better shape. Maybe you've managed yourself better this year. Regardless, the 180 number has no magical significance or evidence to suggest it means anything. (neither does 100 pitches fwiw) I'm 100% on board with limited or skipping starts for a pitcher that's showing signs of fatigue, whether it's delivery, mechanics, effectiveness, or even the pitcher saying "I'm gassed". But that doesn't seem to be the case here, and the Mets, the doctors, and Boras all have different agendas and different focuses. Harvey himself is the least informed, but it's his arm. I'm more worried he'll strain something being pulled in different directions by different people. Additionally, all people are different. Some recover faster, slower, some can handle repetitive strains differently or show fatigue different. This is all without the obvious caveat that nothing has changed all season that we know about that should've altered the plan for Harvey so the seemingly sudden change of course seems even less informed.

doh, I forgot my 'good' camera.

There is roughly no science or data on the matter that suggests more pitching is more dangerous. And i'm certainly not saying grind him to a pulp and let him throw 150 pitches every game. But monitor for signs of fatigue. Monitor the arm. study the tape, ask him how he feels. (There's a conspiracy theory for you, maybe he feels tired) they have machines that do some of this. Don't adhere to random numbers just because. That's arbitrary and pointless. His surgery was over 2 years ago. He's not partially recovered, he's fully recovered, as much as you can be. This isn't him trying to go 110% during rehab (which was a concern if I recall) As far as his career goes, of course. But he's not going to get $25 a year if he never throws 200IP. when that time comes the low innings total tends to hold you back. But again, it's not really about that, it's about there being no obvious reason for him to just stop at 180. In fact, there has to be at least a little concern that it's going to hurt him. he's running around pitching 80% right now and when the playoffs come, barring something stupid, he's going to suddenly be pitching 110% and pushing himself. This feels like doing chest presses for 6 months at 100 pounds, then dropping down to 80 for a month, then going up to 120. No trainer would recommend doing it like that.

"They give you cash, which is just as good as money."

I don't feel that Harvey's concern over his arm and his future is driven by primadonnaness. Not saying he doesn't fall into that category but I don't think it applies here. there is a legitimate concern, I just personally feel it's overblown. Here's the thing: it's a completely legitimate concern, and from a human-being/not-sports-fan perspective, it certainly isn't overblown. Hell, if you remove yourself from our team allegiances and the weirdness of the warrior ethos that's been instilled in professional pajama-pants-wearers since time immemorial, the smart thing for him to do would be to shut it down. It's not like the significantly-higher-than-zero risk Harvey's bearing here is shared or mitigated in any real, significant way. Still, though... hey, BATMAN! JUST PITCH, YOU RICH PRICK! I'll hang up and listen. in the sense that pitching is harmful to arms, yes. But should Tom Brady just retire? Football is dangerous you know. Window Washers shouldn't wash above the second floor. Delivery guys shouldn't deliver past midnight. Matt Harvey isn't in any more danger of hurting himself by pitching here than he was pitching 3 years ago or 3 years from now or next Spring. This is what he's being paid to do. This is his job.

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: Cincy is about 5 hours or so from Grand Rapids. I'm tempted to make a sprint down there on Saturday -- a 4:10 pm start -- or for the Sunday day game if there is a chance they could clinch. I think that would require the Nats going bad for the rest of the week for the stars to align. 6 games and need 4 good outcomes to have a chance Saturday, Sunday only need 4/8.

ok, I'm gonna go. It's been too long since I've been to Citi.

Edgy MD wrote: or is he Guillermo Mota, and just waiting for the post-season to blow up? ... A non-descript hairstyle... no tatts... what kind of late-inning reliever is that? Gwreck wrote: The Aaron Heilman type? i don't like the trend this thread is taking.

Wright's going to absolutely tear it up in the playoffs.

Niese' worst innings by OPS in 2015: 6,3,4,2,7,1,5,8 Career: 7,8,6,4,3,1,5,2,9 Kershaw 2015: 4,3,7,8,9,6,1,5,2