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Yes, but we don't have that luxury.

The Tigers were hot last fall and totally pwn3d the Yankees and the A's, going 7-1 in the playoffs. I doubt to many prognosticators expected they'd fall in 4 straight to the 83-win Cardinals who'd just come off a hard fought 7-game series. Incidentally, I recall the Tigers slumping last year in September after leading the division for pretty much the entire season, very similar to this year's Mets. It gives one confidence that a team that sucks in September can still have an excellent October (well, if you overlook the World Series part).

Root, root, root for your Metsies! Believe. Ya gotta.

Does any one else see NL Wild Card Scrotum every time this thread comes up?

="Gwreck"]9 William Henry "I died in 30 days" Harrison was of course our shortest serving President. Hopefully his term as magic number will be 29 days shorter.

Yadier "Bleeping" Molina, I love you!

I think in general it's always more to the fans than to the team. If the players had that much angst they'd be on the DL with GI disorders.

Sorry Frayed, in the context I thought were suggesting shooting Reyes. I don't get the reference about waking up in the morning and getting myself a gun so I took you literally.

See, now that's not so bad isn't it? On other fronts, I can't believe I've been reduced to rooting for the Cardinals to win tonight.

Frayed Knot wrote: But 3/4 of a season is a bit more than a slump and is enough to start wondering if last year was the outlier rather than an upward step on a lengthy ladder. Edgy already addressed that. ="Edgy DC"]I think it's that .320 since August 1 and that .279 since September 1 that are murder. So it's six weeks not 3/4's of a season.

Johnny Dickshot wrote: Really? Not that booing your guys is ever right, but I think the players have gotten off pretty easy this year to be honest, and Reyes in particular. The fans are dying for him to be successful. They hate to boo him. They love him so much they can't even see how much he struggled, which is the point of the post. Here's a sampling of commentary on that either attacks Reyes character ("head up the ass" is the favorite way to blame Jose for his slump) and/or blames him for the Mets failures, just from the first two pages. I could find similar for other players: Sept. 16 Frayed Knot �Another game like these past two and I'm going to wake up tomorrow morning and get myself a gun.� Sept. 16 Johnny Dickshot �His head is so far up his ass I can't see it coming out in time. We're screwed IOW.� Sept. 16 MFS62 �Maybe that explains it. His head is up his ass, so his eyes are blocked and he can't see anything.� Sept. 16 Johnny Dickshot �You kinda always knew he wasn't going to be a smiling energy machine his whole life. I mean, Kirby Puckett maintained that illusion deep into his career before it came out he was a complete creep all along.� Sept. 17 Johnny Dickshot �I think they should send Reyes to Alaska and use that guy at short.� Sept. 19 Mendoza Line �Hell, I don't want to think about that. If Reyes can somehow get his head out from up his rear and we can avoid Jorge Motaweis for a few days, this will all be forgotten in two weeks.� Sept. 19 Johnny Dickshot �No they ain 't. He's killing this team.�

Is that a sunflower or a supernova?

So the better word for this is "slump." Not "catastrophic career collapse."

I'm more bothered by the attacks on individual players (especially when people say it reflects on their character as humans). I think the last five games have been team losses, wouldn't you agree?

As for Reyes: 32 DB's = career high 78 SB's = career high (not to mention MLB leader and Met single season record) 72 BB's = career high (obliterating last years 53 walks. Remember when we criticized Reyes for not walking enough?) .361 OBP = career high (a lead off hitter who gets on base this often is really killing our team?) 13 IBB = career high (apparently opposing pitchers have not gotten the memo about Reyes' suckage) Triples are down from last year but Reyes is still second in the NL. Also his runs, hits and strikeout totals are on about the same pace as last year. I don't really see the big concern about the power number drop. Beltran, Delgado, and Wright are the power for this offense, and if they're not doing their job I don't think its Reyes job to compensate.

I think I'm generally optimistic although sometimes I say negative things in the heat of the moment (or when I'm taking the piss). Anyone who's been watching me post here for the past 7 years probably would recognize me as being in the rah-rah camp. I think the only thing I've been truly negative about is Glavine, and I've eased off on him this season (based on input from you folks). I also have never been one for scapegoating, making generalizations about a player's character based on their poor play, or booing your own players. I've seen a lot of that here and among Mets fans in general lately and I just don't think its fair. I think the Mets are going to clinch the NL East in the next week or two. I think they will go deep into the postseason and have a good chance at winning the World Series. I think if they do that Beltran, Wright, Reyes, and Beltran (all players who've been boo'ed, goated, and character assassinated this season) will be key to the victory. I think there's a lot of weaknesses this team needs to address in all categories, but I don't think turning against our core players is a good way of addressing that.

Got it. All the best players on this team suck and should be dumped on the ash-heap. We should be rallying around Reyes, Beltran, & Delgado like Brooklyn Dodgers fans did for Gil Hodges. You people don't deserve the Mets.

The reports of Jose Reyes' death are greatly exaggerated.

Was there ever a Pelfrey or Die, part II?

"Remain calm! All is well!"

The Phillies won't blow anything. The Mets are in control. All they need to do is win. Starting now. Please?

Jeez, you guys just harsh on everyone on the Mets. You're hatin' on Reyes, hatin' on Delgado, you were hatin' on Wright most of the season. These guys are core to the Mets and are going to lead the team to victory in the postseason this year.

Language or no, I think its best when the players stay above the fray in the whole "your team sucks" debate. Especially when you're with an organization allegedly known for class and dignity.

So much for the no-hitter.

Yancy Street Gang wrote: They're playing like a team on the verge of a historic collapse. They just suck against the Phillies. Take a couple of deep breaths and settle in for a nice Mets win tonight.