Willets Point

Or he could have put The Right Stuff into the brackets instead of Porky's.

Don't call me stupid!

Long Duk Dong: Last of the Hollywood Stereotypes?

I had a huge crush on Jessica Lange at the time Tootsie came out.

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: You were into that chick with the funny haircut, yeah? Totally.

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Willets Point wrote: Another tough choice. Is my sarcasm detector broken? Your sarcasm detector is working just fine. Real Genius is a personal favorite of mine, and I voted for it. I wish they weren't matched up against each other.

Another tough choice.

This may be the hardest vote for me yet. I love both of these movies.

Chips, dips, chains, whips.

Risky Business foisted Tom Cruise on the world. Yuck. I go with Werewolf although I never understood the sudden ending.

Watched Waitress last night. It has a lot of charm despite being very cliched and uneven. Andy Griffith is hilarious. Keri Russell is hawt.

Roddy Doyle is one of my favorite authors and pretty much all of his books are worth reading. The Barrytown books - The Commitments,The Snapper & The Van - are pretty easy "mind candy" reads but his later works are more literary. A Star Called Henry is my personal favorite.

the realm of Asgard He said "ass-guard."

Where does Spiderman on the Electric Company fall into the tv superhero continuum?

Okay, since you continue to be insentient of what you did to offend me, lets do a little role playing where I'll do to you what you did to me. Lets start with something you actually said: "I proposed a methodology (time limits, for one) in an attempt to reduce the amount of "noise" created by the logical phenomenon known as the "fallacy of the new", wherein more recent events take on larger significance than older events. Certainly you could consider that there is also "noise" when considering older works that have entered the cultural canon as "classics", and knocking CITIZEN KANE off its perch may have its merits. Of course, the burden of proof is on you when you do that, but I'd be delighted to read or discuss a methodology for reconsidering the classics, too." Now I'll reply in the manner you replied to me by making up something you never said: "I really don't see how you can build a methodology of evaluating movies on little blue fairies whispering to you the best movies of all time. Can you construct something scholarly on the advice of little blue fairies? Do little blue fairies even exist?" To which you may be understandably miffed and say something like: "What the fuck? I never mentioned anything about little blue fairies. You made that up just to mock me." And if I replied to you in the way you replied to me I would say: "I interpreted your public statements and I interpret what you say as "little blue fairies." You don't like or agree with my interpretation? Tough!" Do you get it now? Do you see how making up things I say and responding to the made up commentary is disparaging, insulting even, and not a fair way to argue?

Vic Sage wrote: It was neither wrong nor "deliberately provocative". I interpreted your public statements. You don't like or agree with my interpretation? Tough. Wow, do you work Fox News? Your basically said that I said something that I didn't say in order to discredit me and if I find that a problem it's my own fault? I'm not letting up on you until you respond to what I actually wrote and retract your effort to twist my words around. An apology would be nice too but not expected.

I bleeped out the names. I would appreciate it if Vic would admit what he did was wrong and deliberately provocative and not merely a "disagreement."

Two things I believe I've already said in this thread but I'll reiterate for clarity: 1. As Edgy pointed out, lists are mostly for fun and a way to recommend films and/or begin discussion of their merits. 2. There are many ways to determine value of a film, but arbitrary time limits are not valuable in my studied opinion. Vic Sage wrote: there are lots of ways... but surely its best to consider such determining factors, than to simply say "whatever you liked best today is good enough for the ages". Why is that a MORE intelligent way to determine value? Why is having no objective standards or criteria more intelligent? It's a great leap to say "arbitrary standards are not helpful" and have you have me say "there should be no standards at all." In fact I think you know that I didn't say that, and just said I did because you like to push buttons.

Vic Sage wrote: But NOTHING stifles discussion like a statement such as: To sum up, you're wrong That was a joke. If I have tag everything with SC it won't be worth it. I still think 10-15 years is arbitrary. Weigh a film on its merits as a film not on when it was made. Take for example the movies from your list in this thread. If you made a list of the best movies in say 1976 would The Producers be unworthy of inclusion but in say 1981 it's magically acrued greatness? I think there are more intelligent ways to determine a film's value than that.

Vic Sage wrote: a "cooling off period" is necessary to let the temporal distortion fade, so the films can be assessed and discussed more rationally. No it isn't. A list is an artifact of the time it is made. Compare a list from today to one from 20 years ago and you can see which films were overvalued and undervalued at that time. Not to mention that a list is just one person - or at best a small group of editors - idea of the "best of all time." A movie is good or isn't, a person likes it or doesn't. Setting arbitrarily time limits just stifles intellectualism and discussion. To sum up, you're wrong.

Vic Sage wrote: yet more proof that "best ever" lists should not include films from the last 10-15 years; As always I disagree with this as the lists are the "best ever" at the time the list is composed and are primarily for discussion anyhow.

Ska originated in the 1950's. The Two Tone ska revival (The Specials, English Beat, The Selecter, Madness, et al) started in the late 1970's.

Not all 70's music is bad. Punk, New Wave, UK Ska, and the St. Louis Jesuits are in high rotation on my iPod. The rest of the review is great though.

Speed Racer is one of those things people talked about nostalgically in college that I'd never heard about. I didn't watch enough TV as a kid.

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