Vic Sage

ok, Mole i'm ready when you are --

thankfully, Edgy has grown enough feathers to fill the "optimism gap".

we sucked from 62-68, 74-83, 91-96, 2001-2005, and now since 2009. These suck cycles seem to run from 5-10 years, so I'd say the soonest we should get back to the post-season would be 2014, but if things continue to go wrong, maybe not for another decade. But with an extra WC team, however, maybe on the "sooner" rather than "later" end of that range. So I'll guess 2014, which is Ceetardian of me, but what the hell.

Edgy is the thing with feathers.

A-Rod was younger, at his peak, and still a SS when he got this kind of deal from Texas. And the owner still had to get out from under it 3 years later. this is just an insane deal. When Albert starts playing like a mortal in the coming years (it may even be THIS year), the Angels fans will be incensed and the deal will cripple the team. Such a decline would likely be met with more generosity of spirit by Cards fans who had already benefited from his HOF career, but he will haves banked nothing but bucks with the Angels. frankly, i'm sorry the cards DIDNT get locked into a franchise-crippling arrangement. They would have posed less of an obstacle for the Mets in the long run.

Now? NOW your on the dW bandwagon?

then they'll shave his pubes too.

i don't have a problem with Sandy taking the entire organizational roster (including the minors) and saying to every GM "what'll you give me for THIS guy? what about THIS guy? and THIS guy?" [Maybe he could find a taker for Jeffy?] I just think that Ike, as a productive, cheap, young player with power and GG ability, is a guy you should either demand a lot for or hold on to. I don't think Duda has anywhere near his upside. I'd sooner they moved Duda and find a real RFer than move Davis so Duda can play 1b, despite the fact that we'd likely get more in return for Davis (even coming off the injury). I just doubt it would be ENOUGH more. But no harm in finding out, i suppose.

as yet another LH bat, Capt Kirk will be competing with Baxter and F-mart for backup OFer duty in the spring. The winner goes north. But we still need a RH bat in the OF; preferably one the can play CF, unless Kirk is the LH Ofer (in which case, a corner RH OFer would be ok). what about bringing back Scott Hairston? He wasn't too bad. a veteran OFer with RH pop and CF ability.

i hope they shave his head. and his pubes.

C Thole/Righty to Be Named Later 1B Davis 2B Murphy/Turner 3B Wright SS Tejada LF Bay CF Torres RF Duda / Righty to be named later Tejada Torres [if Collins is going to continue to be a ****bunter, i'd rather he waste Torres' ABs than Murphy's] Murphy / Turner Wright Davis Bay Duda / Thole /

that makes NO sense. He's the kind of cheap, talented, productive young player you keep and build around; you don't shop him. That being said, i don't think ANYBODY on the roster is untouchable, but we should have to get overwhelmed with an offer to consider it.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Torres steals bases and walks enough to bump .260s BAs to the .340s, OBP-wise (although he does whiff a bunch). If you like your on-base-y types with speed, he's an option. He's got a career .318 OPS, over the course of 1400+ ABs, with 3 teams, over 7 years. Yes, he did peak at .343 OB with the Giants 2 years ago, but now, at age 34, even that meager number will likely a stretch. Not only did Tejada put up a .360 ob% last year, his lack of power (certainly less than Torres) would make him the better candidate to bat 1st, with Torres (a switch-hitter to boot) batting behind him or lower in the order, where his power could be more useful than hitting behind the 8-9 hitters. ultimately, i think lineup construction makes a less than significant difference in overall run production, beyond revealing whatever the manager's thinking is in these areas.

An ideal leadoff guy gets on base. Speed and power are gravy. The notion of using Torres to bat leadoff, he of the sub .320 OBP, simply because he's fast is quintessential Terry Collins... i.e., stupid. Also stupid would be choosing not to bat Tejada leadoff simply because your trying to protect him from Reyes comparisons. The manager should put the guys in the best possible order to create the greatest number of runs per game. period. then he manages the issues that may arise from that. Not the other way round.

$6m/yr x2yrs seems about right for a middling closer.

its a sideways move THIS year. After that, all bets are off.

i remember mocking Ceetar for counting on Pagan as one of the cornerstones of the 2011 Mets championship season. A guy with talent and no instincts for the game (Pagan i mean... not Ceetar). ...the Joel Youngblood of his time.

now if we get Dotel, too, we can have the ENTIRE bluejays bullpen. which is better than what we had last year, at any rate. I'm ok with: -Francisco / Rauch -Ramirez -Beato -Acosta -Byrdak -[6th starter / long reliever] now just get a backup catcher, backup IFer, 6th starter and lets get ready for another sub .500 season.

pagan for torres is sort of a sideways move but Ramirez will help, so overall, its an upgrade.

DocTee wrote: Joel Piniero worth a looksee. Josh Willingham not listed but a defiinite candidate, no? i didn't list him cuz i was thinking more of guys who could play CF. and i didn't list Buerhle and other upper tier SPers, cuz i don't think we can afford them.

or just a hug, maybe.

i remember really liking this 25 years ago.

i think he probably averages 120 games a year, which puts him at 720.

for $15m and under, could we get SP - Jeff Francis RP - Frank Francisco, Octovio Dotel OF - Cody Ross C - Chris Snyder UT - Orlando Cabrera

slim pickings, eh? [u:1n0dt0an]SPers:[/u:1n0dt0an] Paul Maholm Tsuyoshi Wada Erik Bedard Joel Pineiro Rich Harden Jason Marquis Jeff Francis Aaron Harang Kevin Millwood Dontrelle Willis Aaron Cook Andrew Brackman Ben Sheets Chris Young Jamey Wright Jon Garland Brad Penny Rodrigo Lopez Vicente Padilla Zach Duke Tim Wakefield Brandon Webb [u:1n0dt0an]RPers:[/u:1n0dt0an] Francisco Rodriguez Kerry Wood Francisco Cordero LaTroy Hawkins Takashi Saito Chad Qualls Brad Lidge Frank Francisco Joel Zumaya Mike Gonzalez Jon Rauch Octavio Dotel Dan Wheeler Arthur Rhodes Mike MacDougal Luis Ayala Shawn Camp George Sherrill Jason Isringhausen John Grabow Fernando Rodney David Aardsma Michael Wuertz J.C. Romero Scott Linebrink Miguel Batista Trever Miller Damaso Marte Juan Cruz Ramon Ortiz Sergio Mitre Todd Coffey Chad Durbin Horacio Ramirez [u:1n0dt0an]CFers:[/u:1n0dt0an] Coco Crisp Cody Ross Juan Pierre Rick Ankiel Scott Hairston Nate McLouth Corey Patterson [u:1n0dt0an]2b/ss:[/u:1n0dt0an] Wilson Betemit Ronny Cedeno Alex Gonzalez Rafael Furcal Nick Punto Yuniesky Betancourt Mark DeRosa Carlos Guillen Edgar Renteria Aaron Miles Willie Harris Craig Counsell Omar Vizquel Orlando Cabrera Jose Lopez Alex Cora Cesar Izturis [u:1n0dt0an]C:[/u:1n0dt0an] Jorge Posada Kelly Shoppach Ramon Castro Ivan Rodriguez Jason Varitek Josh Bard Chris Snyder J.R. Towles Jason Kendall