Vic Sage

Um, Carter has 86, too. but i won't argue with your choice, despite the fact that Grote at his best wasn't the overall player that Carter was, even at the end. Grote had 69, 73 and overall superior Metliness.

we used to have a thread like this every year or so -- this one looks about right.

Let's go do some crazy shit. hey, are you that kid that lived down the street from me when i was in high school?

nah, that's my starting point... and the nickname of my cock.

trust me, amiga... that's not something you want to see. yo, baby, say hello to my leeetle friend.... hee hee!

i only drink that tequila that Vincent Chase endorses. Wait, where's Turtle with my tequila?

I've rented a suite for us on a cruise ship. It's called The Titanic. catchy name for a boat, no? They're serving tequila shooters off the bellies of Victoria Secret models and Shrimp Cocktails served in monkey skulls... the baccarrat table is $10k minimum bet. We're losers, but we travel 1st class, baby. MFS, c'mon down. The girls are warm, the mead is cold, the shrimp is fresh, the company cantankerous and bitter. SKOAL!

They're not going to spend a plug nickel on a backup RH catcher. It's going to be Nickeas, unless an invitee or rostered guy beats him out in ST. I like the idea of a designated catcher for Dickey, though. Thole often looked lost trying to catch him.

Hey FMan, wassup? that's enough small talk... where's the tequila?

Me and F-Man, first guys bellyin' up to the bar in the loser's lounge. I think we're both goin' ugly early... y'all welcome to hang, but its gonna get x-rated perty quick.

BUMP. I just like having this thread title at the top of the first page.

nah, just the ghost of Santana's past. fah la la la la, la lah lah lah.

lets start a write-in candidacy. Oh and you bought "skitch"? Absatively. It's onomatopoetic.

Scansion [?sk�n??n], n. (Literature / Poetry) the analysis of the metrical structure of verse. [from Latin: climbing up, from scandere to climb, scan]

chapter 11

sure we do -- Koyie Hill, a switch-hitter who hits as badly as Nickeas, but from both sides!

Arizona Diamondbacks - Micah Owings (RHP - 29), Joe Saunders (LHP -30) = both are useful starters, but Owings can PH, too. Baltimore Orioles - Jo-Jo Reyes (LHP, 27), Luke Scott (LH 1b/LF, 33) = nope Boston Red Sox - Rich Hill (LHP, 31) = perennially injured Chicago Cubs - Koyie Hill (Sw C, 32) = no bat at all Colorado Rockies - Cole Garner (Rh Of, 26), Ryan Spilborghs (Rh OF, 32) = Garner is AAAA player, but Spilborghs is useful Rhed OF bat Detroit Tigers - Will Rhymes (Lh 2B, 29) - useful, can hit a little Miami Marlins - Clay Hensley (RhRP, 32) - useful bullpen depth Kansas City Royals - Aaron Laffey (LHP, 27) - wild, still youngish Lefty; lefties can develop late Los Angeles Dodgers - Hong-Chih Kuo (LhRP, 31) - oft-injured but effective when healthy lefty reliever; can set up Minnesota Twins - Jose Mijares (LhRP, 27) - LOOGY with weight issues; can be effective San Diego Padres - Jeremy Hermida (Lh OF, 28) - never quite made it San Francisco Giants - Jeff Keppinger (Rh 2b/If, 32) - decent BA has made him overrated Washington Nationals - Doug Slaten (LhRP, 32) - another LOOGY of this crop, we should keep an eye on SPers: Saunders, Owings, Laffey RPers: Hensley, Mijares, Kuo IFers: Rhymes OFers: Spilborghs

"shockets" ... really? Are you making up words again? And Einhorn is too smart to invest in this team without a clear path to ownership; that's what queered the deal in the first place.

with regard to song choice -- i guess if it goes to "degree of difficulty", choosing a complex song over an easy one may be a factor to consider. And i'll also give points for the humor/wit/cleverness of a particular choice (i.e, Lucy In the Sky with Diamonds for a player with a famous drug bust, or something like that). But i disagree about giving more credit for obscure songs vs well-known ones. I don't think that matters in the slightest, anymore than genre or style. Giving points to people for digging through b sides and backlists misses the point of the challenge, in my view. and Mole -- don't let me stop you!

we should bring him in for our Song Parody contest.

i vote on the basis of (in declining order of importance): - how much does it capture the essence of the particular player (or concept) being parodied? - how funny/clever/thoughtful is the song? - how close is it to the original song (in terms of structure, rhythm, rhyming pattern, etc.)? - how much Mets data mining (met info, history and references) does it have? so i do think fidelity to the original's scancion, rhythmic structure and rhyming patterns matters, i just don't think its determinative, in and of itself. It's a balancing test. The main thing i DO NOT concern myself with is song choice -- just because i don't happen to like a particular song, or kind of song, or am unfamiliar with the song, shouldn't be a factor at all, as far as I'm concerned, as long as a version of the original song is provided as reference.

i wasn't the one who characterized them as "evil", in this context; Elster did. I just said the movie was a nakedly cynical attempt to revive a franchise they own. i think the are evil for other reasons.

So... it's like every Muppet thing ever made? similar, not identical. While somewhat more self-referential than most of the movies, that self awareness was always an aspect of their shtick. And it's superior in quality to most of the later films. If you liked the TV show and the first movie, this is in that spirit, with a bit more cheek.

do i just start a thread for my round vs OldMole -- or do you set it up? or do i wait to hear from him?

Disney doesn't have to be the pure embodiment of evil. Agreed they don't have to be... they just choose to be. Time and time again. Even acknowledging this was an artist-initiated project, and one not hatched by Disney, would Disney have financed and distributed this movie standing on its own merits, if they didn't happen to own the Muppet franchise, with the Muppet corners of their theme parks remaining relatively empty, and merch sitting unsold on their shelves? Do you know what impact their "notes" to Segal as writer had on the final direction of the film? Can i bet alot, since the financing entity usually exercises its authority on most Hollywood movies? The entire theme of the movie is about reviving the Muppets (as an entity in the entertainment industry)... now whether that notion was conceived by Segal, then brought to Disney, or whether Disney helped him reach that theme, isn't really the point. Certainly, if Segal as writer wants to get Disney to let him use their property, he's going to have to come up with a concept they will love. So that precludes a whole range of ideas and perspectives that an artist might explore in reconsidering the iconic cultural artifact called "muppets" and leaves only that perspective that most serves Disney's commercial interests. So sorry, but i don't think that what some earnest actor/writer says on a talk show sheds much light on what motivates the business decisions of Uncle Walt's empire.