Fman99

It's a comedy of errors. But only other teams' fans find it funny. So it sucks is what I'm saying. NICE -- Warthen gets tossed.

="John Cougar Lunchbucket":32kqq1dp]Could be the everyday CFer for awhile. Hits the ball pretty hard occasionally. What are your 2nd impressions of this kid?[/quote:32kqq1dp] He still seems overmatched to me (specifically at the plate), the same way Milledge and Gomez did before him. I understand, what other options do the Mets have? Ptooey. He looked atrocious chasing those high fastballs Sunday night. I groaned on the first one and predicted the second one. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 30 2009 12:43 PM ="Fman99":wzscw6l1]="John Cougar Lunchbucket":wzscw6l1]Could be the everyday CFer for awhile. Hits the ball pretty hard occasionally. What are your 2nd impressions of this kid?[/quote:wzscw6l1] He still seems overmatched to me (specifically at the plate), the same way Milledge and Gomez did before him. I understand, what other options do the Mets have? Ptooey. He looked atrocious chasing those high fastballs Sunday night. I groaned on the first one and predicted the second one.[/quote:wzscw6l1] Plate discipline's been an issue... as it kinda has throughout the minors (walk rate of 5.7%, swinging at pitches outside the zone to a 27.4% clip... which aren't too far out of line with the minor-league numbers). The guys who find their sea legs quickest tend to be those guys with good eyes-- power comes as they get used to ML pitching. I still have hopes for the kid... but any good feelings I have about him are mostly hope-derived. MFS62 Jun 30 2009 01:18 PM IIRC, he has started slowly at every level, then made the necessary adjustments and finished well. I hope he can continue to do that at the major league level. And I think he will. To quote Bob Murphy, "The cream always rises to the top". Later metirish Jun 30 2009 01:20 PM Do you seriously follow minor league baseball that closely? LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 30 2009 02:01 PM ="metirish":1e8t12zp]Do you seriously follow minor league baseball that closely?[/quote:1e8t12zp] Me? Whenever possible, I'm peeping the Mets-system guys, plus others friends of other teams point out. With guys like FM-- prized next-big-thing-types-- I'm hunting game footage online, clocking stuff like Fangraphs and Baseball Cube like they were shoplifters and I the bodega owner, and reading articles/articles about articles/articles about the validity of the article-based-articles about the kid. metirish Jun 30 2009 02:03 PM Good for you guys that do that, obviously i don't because I didn't even know that my adoptee had left the org. Benjamin Grimm Jun 30 2009 02:15 PM I used to follow the minor leaguers fairly closely back when The Sporting News was The Sporting News. Not so much since then. Ceetar Jun 30 2009 02:45 PM If he plays, he's going to learn more at the major league level than the minors. Right now I have more confidence in him than the other Fernando that keeps finding his way into the lineup. I just keep expecting that one day Martinez will cross that line from prospect to hitter, and that it could basically happen at any time. metirish Jun 30 2009 02:47 PM I am reminded not for the first time the wise musings of Fran Healy...." how long before you go from prospect to suspect?" indeed John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 30 2009 02:51 PM ="Ceetar":eczhjo1j]If he plays, he's going to learn more at the major league level than the minors. Right now I have more confidence in him than the other Fernando that keeps finding his way into the lineup. I just keep expecting that one day Martinez will cross that line from prospect to hitter, and that it could basically happen at any time.[/quote:eczhjo1j] That's sort of where I am. I have to admit, I was like that with Carlos Gomez too. This fella looks a wee bit too hacky to me, but he hits it nice and hard. Benjamin Grimm Jun 30 2009 02:52 PM I'm sure it's at least a few years after your 20th birthday. I think Fernando may turn out to be a fine player, but I never got the sense that his ceiling is as high as many fans would like it to be. I remember posting in this forum that my feeling was that he'd be a Matt Lawton type, which would make him a fine, productive player, but somewhat less than a superstar. Frayed Knot Jun 30 2009 02:59 PM ="metirish"]I am reminded not for the first time the wise musings of Fran Healy...." how long before you go from prospect to suspect?" He's several years away from anything resembling that kind of make-or-break point. He's not ready now and wouldn't have been up the first time - much less twice - had it not been for all the problems on the big league level. His main problem is that his own minor injuries (or at least not recurring ones that lead you to think there'll be some constant problem) have prevented him from putting up consistent 500-600 AB seasons one usually needs for proper development. I'm not sure the Mets did him a favor by jumping him over a level two years back. But, even with all that, he's well ahead of schedule as compared to the average prospect and as long as fans don't go expecting multiple A-S appearances before he's 23 y/o he should be OK. Whether he becomes a real star in the future is still yet to be determined but we've got time to figure that out. Nymr83 Jun 30 2009 03:01 PM Martinez will end up a much better player than Gomez, who looks like a track star with no bat to speak of. Ceetar Jun 30 2009 03:31 PM ="Benjamin Grimm"]I'm sure it's at least a few years after your 20th birthday. I think Fernando may turn out to be a fine player, but I never got the sense that his ceiling is as high as many fans would like it to be. I remember posting in this forum that my feeling was that he'd be a Matt Lawton type, which would make him a fine, productive player, but somewhat less than a superstar. His ceiling is still well higher, even this year probably, than Tatis and Argenis Reyes. So put him in the lineup over those guys. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 30 2009 03:37 PM ="Ceetar"]="Benjamin Grimm"]I'm sure it's at least a few years after your 20th birthday. I think Fernando may turn out to be a fine player, but I never got the sense that his ceiling is as high as many fans would like it to be. I remember posting in this forum that my feeling was that he'd be a Matt Lawton type, which would make him a fine, productive player, but somewhat less than a superstar. His ceiling is still well higher, even this year probably, than Tatis and Argenis Reyes. So put him in the lineup over those guys. Well, you're not putting him in the lineup-- unless it's in a roundabout, Church-moves-to-center way-- over either of those guys, since neither of them plays CF. And of course he has a higher ceiling... but at this point, the ballclub is not playing folk based on ceilings; it's playing them based on what they can do right now. If the club believes the season to be something of a lost cause, then and only then does player development becomes the primary priority, right? Ceetar Jun 30 2009 03:53 PM ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr"]="Ceetar"]="Benjamin Grimm"]I'm sure it's at least a few years after your 20th birthday. I think Fernando may turn out to be a fine player, but I never got the sense that his ceiling is as high as many fans would like it to be. I remember posting in this forum that my feeling was that he'd be a Matt Lawton type, which would make him a fine, productive player, but somewhat less than a superstar. His ceiling is still well higher, even this year probably, than Tatis and Argenis Reyes. So put him in the lineup over those guys. Well, you're not putting him in the lineup-- unless it's in a roundabout, Church-moves-to-center way-- over either of those guys, since neither of them plays CF. And of course he has a higher ceiling... but at this point, the ballclub is not playing folk based on ceilings; it's playing them based on what they can do right now. If the club believes the season to be something of a lost cause, then and only then does player development becomes the primary priority, right? Well, normally. But with injuries, player development may actually play a key role this year. And I am talking about Martinez's ceiling for this year. Still probably higher than Tatis. who does sometimes play the outfield. Put reed in CF ocassionally, he's even hit okay this year. Nymr83 Jun 30 2009 03:54 PM a little leaguer has a higher ceiling than argenis reyes. Ceetar Jun 30 2009 03:59 PM ="Nymr83":viqzp86x]a little leaguer has a higher ceiling than argenis reyes.[/quote:viqzp86x] Think he'll get an AB today? Nymr83 Jun 30 2009 04:38 PM i wish he'd get 3 of them today...for brooklyn! MFS62 Jun 30 2009 05:33 PM ="metirish":gytjn2ua]Do you seriously follow minor league baseball that closely?[/quote:gytjn2ua] Yes. Not a fanatic about it, but I do follow it. Later Ashie62 Jun 30 2009 08:22 PM Although 20, Fartman should be further along. he looks green, scared and it doesn't appear any part of the game comes to him naturally. In other words he has few skills Edgy DC Jun 30 2009 08:31 PM I'll disagree. Completely. Rockin' Doc Jun 30 2009 08:41 PM I think Martinez has goodphysical skills, but he is just too inexperienced to perform well at the major league level at this point in his development. He needs to develop better plate discipline before he can be succesful hitting at the major league level. Nymr83 Jun 30 2009 08:41 PM ="Ashie62":1k307avk]Although 20, Fartman should be further along. he looks green, scared and it doesn't appear any part of the game comes to him naturally. In other words he has few skills[/quote:1k307avk] he's further along than most twenty year olds who are probably playing A-ball or AA. tonight was the first time he didnt look good in the field and he friggin slipped, so did mike cameron the GG quality centerfielder, he just happened to have a softly hit ball and t hus time to recover. martinez has proven to my satisfaction that his bat isnt ready for the majors, but i dont think hes behind the curve for prospects his age by any stretch of the imagination. Ashie62 Jun 30 2009 08:46 PM ="Nymr83":3skti24a]="Ashie62":3skti24a]Although 20, Fartman should be further along. he looks green, scared and it doesn't appear any part of the game comes to him naturally. In other words he has few skills[/quote:3skti24a] he's further along than most twenty year olds who are probably playing A-ball or AA. tonight was the first time he didnt look good in the field and he friggin slipped, so did mike cameron the GG quality centerfielder, he just happened to have a softly hit ball and t hus time to recover. martinez has proven to my satisfaction that his bat isnt ready for the majors, but i dont think hes behind the curve for prospects his age by any stretch of the imagination.[/quote:3skti24a] You could be right..Lets just say he's not a natural John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 30 2009 08:47 PM STFU Ashie. Edgy DC Jun 30 2009 08:47 PM Eat it. Ashie62 Jun 30 2009 08:49 PM ="Edgy DC":2q29u44k]Eat it.[/quote:2q29u44k] What is your problem? Ashie62 Jun 30 2009 08:50 PM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":3qti4rya]STFU Ashie.[/quote:3qti4rya] STFU JCL metirish Jun 30 2009 08:51 PM handbags in the 'pool....settle now boys Edgy DC Jun 30 2009 08:53 PM ="Ashie62":3gt2hkpu]="Edgy DC":3gt2hkpu]Eat it.[/quote:3gt2hkpu] What is your problem?[/quote:3gt2hkpu] You get to ask me that when you aplogize for bitching me out under your other three identities, quitting the forum, and then crawling back here under different disuguises as if a three-year-old couldn't see through you. As for now, it's not me saying "Eat it," it's Martinez. Ashie62 Jun 30 2009 09:03 PM ="Edgy DC":30q2invs]="Ashie62":30q2invs]="Edgy DC":30q2invs]Eat it.[/quote:30q2invs] What is your problem?[/quote:30q2invs] You get to ask me that when you aplogize for bitching me out under your other three identities, quitting the forum, and then crawling back here under different disuguises as if a three-year-old couldn't see through you. As for now, it's not me saying "Eat it," it's Martinez.[/quote:30q2invs] Apology posted

="Benjamin Grimm"]Who are you going to believe, a doctor or the back page of the New York Post? One is far easier than the other to read while on the toilet you know.

After going 1-1 with a 1.50 ERA in A ball (Florida State League), Owen is back in AA and had a good start yesterday, a no decision but went 7 2/3 IPs, 4 H, 1 BB, 7 K, 0 R. Still winless in 11 AA starts this year. This last one though brought his AA ERA down to 6 for the season.

Dessens 1.5 Sheffield 1.5 Schneider 1.5 Church 1.5 FMartinez .5 Wright .5

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: LET'S HEAD OVER TO FACEBOOK AND PLAY SCRABBLE Yeah because then I can be more personally involved in the ass kicking that is being had. There's only one thing that can cheer me up now.

Ashie62 wrote: ="Fman99"]Hey, something's brewing here. Now 10-6 and the tying run on deck. Hoffman throwing in the pen. Mets being a cockpunch tease Don't tease me, punch that cock you Mets!

Well then. I'm glad Fboy is asleep and missed this catastrophe.

The new "most annoying commercial in SNY heavy rotation" is this grunting McDonald's wrap thing. I want to kick/punch these people in their ****s/necks.

Hey, something's brewing here. Now 10-6 and the tying run on deck. Hoffman throwing in the pen.

Wow, always finding new ways to suck.

="Kong76"]SJJeets: Training camp opens pretty soon <<< The Jets? I'm a jilted Jets' fan to the tune of $40,000. I am embittered by the fact that I cannot subscribe to the DirecTV exclusive "Sunday Ticket," so I miss 9-10 Jets games per year. Because I'm on cable instead. That exclusivity deal sucks ass.

="Nymr83"]Nieve doesnt have it tonight. Looper just drove in a run. I am fucking tired of watching other teams' fucking pitchers drive in fucking runs against the fucking Mets.

="Gwreck":3pm0hlqj]Carl Everett and Gary Matthews were also Mets.[/quote:3pm0hlqj] Thanks... I figured that I would miss a few. G-Fafif Jun 29 2009 12:18 PM It appears most of the '03 Mets were no better at alleged juicing than they were at baseball. Nymr83 Jun 29 2009 12:58 PM anyone can make a fake list look plausible by sprikling in the cheats we know (Clemens, Arod, Giambi) the cheats we've long suspected (Juan Gonzalez, Miguel Tejada) and some random names (Abernathy, Christiansen, Mota) while avoiding those we'd hate to suspect (Ripken, Jeter, Gwynn). i can't call bullshit on the "list" but theres just no way to take it seriously either. Edgy DC Jun 29 2009 01:12 PM Hey, wait, Gwynn and Ripken were done by 2003. As for Jeter, soft rain isn't on any banned list I know. smg58 Jun 29 2009 01:17 PM Is anybody else reporting this? And if not, who is rotoinfo claiming as the source? LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 29 2009 01:20 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 29 2009 01:44 PM After the better part of an afternoon searching, I've only seen this "list" on other message boards, and in similarly unsourced form. metirish Jun 29 2009 01:39 PM Bob Klapisch has in the past shared concern regarding Jeter.......hilarious reading here Derek, don't fail us now[/url:32jw2hte] SteveJRogers Jun 29 2009 01:41 PM ="Nymr83":4s13xmfx]anyone can make a fake list look plausible by sprikling in the cheats we know (Clemens, Arod, Giambi) the cheats we've long suspected (Juan Gonzalez, Miguel Tejada) and some random names (Abernathy, Christiansen, Mota) while avoiding those we'd hate to suspect (Ripken, Jeter, Gwynn). i can't call bullshit on the "list" but theres just no way to take it seriously either.[/quote:4s13xmfx] It does read a bit much like something a MFY fan would put together as many names are "thorns" in Yankee sides and such. bmfc1 Jun 29 2009 01:43 PM ="metirish":dswu7m3p]Bob Klapisch has in the past shared concern regarding Jeter.......hilarious reading here Derek, don't fail us now[/url:dswu7m3p][/quote:dswu7m3p] A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.... OlerudOwned Jun 29 2009 05:25 PM Looks like somebody just cobbled together whatever names they could remember from 2003. Seems as if they ran down team rosters and grabbed the notable looking names, and slapped them down in order. SteveJRogers Jun 29 2009 05:35 PM Yup. And as LWFS said, its not showing up anywhere except on message boards. Yes I'm sure me and DGW will get that, but the scene it is from is classic overacting with just the line, IT'S A FAKE! Nymr83 Jun 29 2009 05:46 PM "In the Pale Moonlight" was my favorite episode of Deep Space Nine. metsguyinmichigan Jun 29 2009 06:04 PM No Astros or Twins? No Bagwell?? Frayed Knot Jun 29 2009 07:02 PM Legit or Fake? Don't know, don't care. attgig Jun 30 2009 10:10 AM 2003 Unconfirmed Steroid list http://www.rotoinfo.com/read_article.php?articleId=318 (Merged from 2003 Unconfirmed Steroid list, 6/30/2009) Nymr83 Jun 30 2009 10:10 AM we had a post about this yesterday (Merged from 2003 Unconfirmed Steroid list, 6/30/2009) Frayed Knot Jun 30 2009 10:55 AM See the 'Legit or Fake' thread lower down on the page. The consensus seems to be that this thing appears nowhere except for this roto-site and who knows where they picked it up from. That real news orgs (or even ESPN) aren't touching it makes you think that there's no credible source behind it. So it's probably speculation even though it could be partially or even mostly correct - but I don't even care at this point. When this 2003 list does leak (and you know it eventually will) it's still just going to be merely a snapshot of that moment and certainly not remotely the last word on who is tainted and who is pure. (Merged from 2003 Unconfirmed Steroid list, 6/30/2009) Frayed Knot Jun 30 2009 11:11 AM Except now that if 'Attgig' goes looking responses to his less-than-hour-old thread on the steroids list he won't be able to find it and think he was censored or something. Nymr83 Jun 30 2009 11:13 AM ="Frayed Knot":2ox6bx81]Except now that if 'Attgig' goes looking responses to his less-than-hour-old thread on the steroids list he won't be able to find it and think he was censored or something.[/quote:2ox6bx81] beats having duplicate threads. this problem is also easily solved by reading every thread! LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 30 2009 11:29 AM Tommy Craggs of Deadspin dissects a few problematic aspects of the list. Exhibit A? ]For one thing, Jason Grimsley's name is absent. Grimsley, you'll recall, has been confirmed as one of the Juicin' 104. http://deadspin.com/5304675/why-the-new-alleged-steroids-list-is-a-crock?skyline=true&s=i Triple Dee Jun 30 2009 11:58 AM Even some of the names make it pretty dubious. Call me naive if you like, but I'd be shocked if Delgado ever juiced (Beltran, otoh, I could believe). However, whoever put the list together was thinking; Delgado had a career year in 2003 + Delgado's from PR + Steriods are probably easier to acquire in PR + Delgado's numbers have dropped since 2003 = Delgado's on the list. The formula works for a large percentage of players on the list. seawolf17 Jun 30 2009 12:01 PM The list is patently fake, for all the reasons everyone's listed. It's just too convenient. OO's probably right. It's directing a lot of traffic to that roto site, which probably helps their ad revenue, though. Frayed Knot Jun 30 2009 12:05 PM ="Nymr83":27xputm1]="Frayed Knot":27xputm1]Except now that if 'Attgig' goes looking responses to his less-than-hour-old thread on the steroids list he won't be able to find it and think he was censored or something.[/quote:27xputm1] beats having duplicate threads. this problem is also easily solved by reading every thread![/quote:27xputm1] And God knows how there's a finite supply of threads so we have to conserve them ... like oil. Point being that 'Attgig' is a long-time, though less active, poster who, less than an hour after he brings up a topic, has it disappear on him. Now maybe he reads more than he posts or maybe he just missed that one, but I think sometimes in our relish to "tidy up" the board and preserve those always-endangered threads we don't consider all the angles. In this case, I think both the rush to merge and the brusque 'we already talked about that' didn't do anyone any favors. There needn't be some kind of full-time or not-at-all requirement to post here. Nymr83 Jun 30 2009 12:23 PM multiple threads bump other useful threads to the 2nd page and they create duplication of discussion and confusion. take a look at some other forums and you'll see how annoying it is when unpoliced. nobody is saying attgig or whoever else did something bad, but its proper to point out the duplicate and merge it. attgig Jun 30 2009 12:50 PM ="Frayed Knot":2ptcrfj5]Except now that if 'Attgig' goes looking responses to his less-than-hour-old thread on the steroids list he won't be able to find it and think he was censored or something.[/quote:2ptcrfj5] dangit, where'd my thread go? attgig Jun 30 2009 12:56 PM as for the list, i think it's pretty well made up list, but I don't see how rotoinfo is going to get away with it if it's fake.... even qualifying it as a rumor could open itself up to libel/slander lawsuits..

="Farmer Ted":3o2b1z4y]I thought Moises got his power from pissing on his hands.[/quote:3o2b1z4y] I wonder what Moistest Alou is doing these days. Gwreck Jun 29 2009 11:52 AM ="bmfc1":3hsdd5wp]"Interestingly, Burnitz is listed again, but with the Dodgers players. Don't know if that's indicative of the list being fake or not." The Mets traded him to the Dodgers during the '03 season: 07-14-2003: Traded by New York Mets to Los Angeles Dodgers for Victor Diaz and Jose Diaz.[/quote:3hsdd5wp] I know. You'd think the list still would've only had him on there once. Did somebody go through the list of players on each team, find who was plausible, and put this together? (And simply forget that Burnitz was already on there)? Or perhaps Jeromy tested positive twice, once with each team. Fman99 Jun 29 2009 11:54 AM ="Gwreck":3pm0hlqj]Carl Everett and Gary Matthews were also Mets.[/quote:3pm0hlqj] Thanks... I figured that I would miss a few. G-Fafif Jun 29 2009 12:18 PM It appears most of the '03 Mets were no better at alleged juicing than they were at baseball. Nymr83 Jun 29 2009 12:58 PM anyone can make a fake list look plausible by sprikling in the cheats we know (Clemens, Arod, Giambi) the cheats we've long suspected (Juan Gonzalez, Miguel Tejada) and some random names (Abernathy, Christiansen, Mota) while avoiding those we'd hate to suspect (Ripken, Jeter, Gwynn). i can't call bullshit on the "list" but theres just no way to take it seriously either. Edgy DC Jun 29 2009 01:12 PM Hey, wait, Gwynn and Ripken were done by 2003. As for Jeter, soft rain isn't on any banned list I know. smg58 Jun 29 2009 01:17 PM Is anybody else reporting this? And if not, who is rotoinfo claiming as the source? LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 29 2009 01:20 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 29 2009 01:44 PM After the better part of an afternoon searching, I've only seen this "list" on other message boards, and in similarly unsourced form. metirish Jun 29 2009 01:39 PM Bob Klapisch has in the past shared concern regarding Jeter.......hilarious reading here Derek, don't fail us now[/url:32jw2hte] SteveJRogers Jun 29 2009 01:41 PM ="Nymr83":4s13xmfx]anyone can make a fake list look plausible by sprikling in the cheats we know (Clemens, Arod, Giambi) the cheats we've long suspected (Juan Gonzalez, Miguel Tejada) and some random names (Abernathy, Christiansen, Mota) while avoiding those we'd hate to suspect (Ripken, Jeter, Gwynn). i can't call bullshit on the "list" but theres just no way to take it seriously either.[/quote:4s13xmfx] It does read a bit much like something a MFY fan would put together as many names are "thorns" in Yankee sides and such. bmfc1 Jun 29 2009 01:43 PM ="metirish":dswu7m3p]Bob Klapisch has in the past shared concern regarding Jeter.......hilarious reading here Derek, don't fail us now[/url:dswu7m3p][/quote:dswu7m3p] A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.... OlerudOwned Jun 29 2009 05:25 PM Looks like somebody just cobbled together whatever names they could remember from 2003. Seems as if they ran down team rosters and grabbed the notable looking names, and slapped them down in order. SteveJRogers Jun 29 2009 05:35 PM Yup. And as LWFS said, its not showing up anywhere except on message boards. Yes I'm sure me and DGW will get that, but the scene it is from is classic overacting with just the line, IT'S A FAKE! Nymr83 Jun 29 2009 05:46 PM "In the Pale Moonlight" was my favorite episode of Deep Space Nine. metsguyinmichigan Jun 29 2009 06:04 PM No Astros or Twins? No Bagwell?? Frayed Knot Jun 29 2009 07:02 PM Legit or Fake? Don't know, don't care. attgig Jun 30 2009 10:10 AM 2003 Unconfirmed Steroid list http://www.rotoinfo.com/read_article.php?articleId=318 (Merged from 2003 Unconfirmed Steroid list, 6/30/2009) Nymr83 Jun 30 2009 10:10 AM we had a post about this yesterday (Merged from 2003 Unconfirmed Steroid list, 6/30/2009) Frayed Knot Jun 30 2009 10:55 AM See the 'Legit or Fake' thread lower down on the page. The consensus seems to be that this thing appears nowhere except for this roto-site and who knows where they picked it up from. That real news orgs (or even ESPN) aren't touching it makes you think that there's no credible source behind it. So it's probably speculation even though it could be partially or even mostly correct - but I don't even care at this point. When this 2003 list does leak (and you know it eventually will) it's still just going to be merely a snapshot of that moment and certainly not remotely the last word on who is tainted and who is pure. (Merged from 2003 Unconfirmed Steroid list, 6/30/2009) Frayed Knot Jun 30 2009 11:11 AM Except now that if 'Attgig' goes looking responses to his less-than-hour-old thread on the steroids list he won't be able to find it and think he was censored or something. Nymr83 Jun 30 2009 11:13 AM ="Frayed Knot":2ox6bx81]Except now that if 'Attgig' goes looking responses to his less-than-hour-old thread on the steroids list he won't be able to find it and think he was censored or something.[/quote:2ox6bx81] beats having duplicate threads. this problem is also easily solved by reading every thread! LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 30 2009 11:29 AM Tommy Craggs of Deadspin dissects a few problematic aspects of the list. Exhibit A? ]For one thing, Jason Grimsley's name is absent. Grimsley, you'll recall, has been confirmed as one of the Juicin' 104. http://deadspin.com/5304675/why-the-new-alleged-steroids-list-is-a-crock?skyline=true&s=i Triple Dee Jun 30 2009 11:58 AM Even some of the names make it pretty dubious. Call me naive if you like, but I'd be shocked if Delgado ever juiced (Beltran, otoh, I could believe). However, whoever put the list together was thinking; Delgado had a career year in 2003 + Delgado's from PR + Steriods are probably easier to acquire in PR + Delgado's numbers have dropped since 2003 = Delgado's on the list. The formula works for a large percentage of players on the list. seawolf17 Jun 30 2009 12:01 PM The list is patently fake, for all the reasons everyone's listed. It's just too convenient. OO's probably right. It's directing a lot of traffic to that roto site, which probably helps their ad revenue, though. Frayed Knot Jun 30 2009 12:05 PM ="Nymr83":27xputm1]="Frayed Knot":27xputm1]Except now that if 'Attgig' goes looking responses to his less-than-hour-old thread on the steroids list he won't be able to find it and think he was censored or something.[/quote:27xputm1] beats having duplicate threads. this problem is also easily solved by reading every thread![/quote:27xputm1] And God knows how there's a finite supply of threads so we have to conserve them ... like oil. Point being that 'Attgig' is a long-time, though less active, poster who, less than an hour after he brings up a topic, has it disappear on him. Now maybe he reads more than he posts or maybe he just missed that one, but I think sometimes in our relish to "tidy up" the board and preserve those always-endangered threads we don't consider all the angles. In this case, I think both the rush to merge and the brusque 'we already talked about that' didn't do anyone any favors. There needn't be some kind of full-time or not-at-all requirement to post here. Nymr83 Jun 30 2009 12:23 PM multiple threads bump other useful threads to the 2nd page and they create duplication of discussion and confusion. take a look at some other forums and you'll see how annoying it is when unpoliced. nobody is saying attgig or whoever else did something bad, but its proper to point out the duplicate and merge it. attgig Jun 30 2009 12:50 PM ="Frayed Knot":2ptcrfj5]Except now that if 'Attgig' goes looking responses to his less-than-hour-old thread on the steroids list he won't be able to find it and think he was censored or something.[/quote:2ptcrfj5] dangit, where'd my thread go? attgig Jun 30 2009 12:56 PM as for the list, i think it's pretty well made up list, but I don't see how rotoinfo is going to get away with it if it's fake.... even qualifying it as a rumor could open itself up to libel/slander lawsuits..

Tons o' Mets, current and former, on this list. Current: Carlos Delgado Frankie Rodriguez Gary Sheffield Fernando Tatis Livan Hernandez Oliver Perez Former: Pedro Martinez Melvin Mora Kenny Rogers Sandy Alomar Jose Lima Mike Cameron Mike Hampton Tony Armas Roberto Alomar Cliff Floyd Roger Cedeno Jeromy Burnitz Moises Alou Kris Benson Paul LoDuca Shawn Green Guillermo Mota Not counting Freddy Garcia and Bret Boone who were spring training Mets.

="seawolf17":1oft1bcf]Realistically, this is a vastly more important series than the last one was. You hate to get swept at home, but this brings a potential WC competitor back to the pack. Go get 'em, fellas.[/quote:1oft1bcf] I told myself that too. Technically the interleague games against the AL teams are the least important ones on the Mets' schedule. (I'm licking my wounds, yes.) John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 29 2009 08:25 AM ="TransMonk":163yp4ol]="John Cougar Lunchbucket":163yp4ol]Have a good time. My guesses: Carter Bench Berra Fisk Piazza Simmons I. Rodriguez[/quote:163yp4ol] Never mind about Wednesday. Lunchbucket got 'em all on the first try.[/quote:163yp4ol] Awesome. While I am hot I am also predicting a sweep for the Mets. A big-ass huge sweep. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 29 2009 09:46 AM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket"] Awesome. While I am hot I am also predicting a sweep for the Mets. A big-ass huge sweep. Exceedingly appropriate, considering the locale. (No offense, TM... and thanks for the filling, informative grub.)

Hernandez 3 Feliciano .5 Green .5 Castillo 1 FMartinez 1 Sheffield .5

Oh, let the lovefest commence. I am going to bed.

metirish wrote: ="Fman99"]ESPN highlighting the fact that nearly every Met hitter has an OPS 40 points or more below the NL average. So, we suck? Lucky for us the division sucks Yabbut, losing like this all weekend to these fuckholes sucks more.

ESPN highlighting the fact that nearly every Met hitter has an OPS 40 points or more below the NL average. So, we suck?

Teixeira makes his cumsies face as the 3rd base ump rings him up on the check swing. Now let's ruin this a-hole's 500th save fucking party. Let's Go Mets!

This is why Steve Phillips loves interleague play. Fuck you, Steve. Go kick yourself in the ****.