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Vic Sage wrote: Which is my point. Brown is ALL projection; Hairston has actual production which can be measured and more reliably projected. This is where I need more info. Is it verified that the James system is more reliable for players staying at the same level than for players jumping up a level? I don't know. You're proceeding with hope either way. The question is open to what relative degree.

I take it with confidence that nobody will have to cut his tee-shirt to shreds.

You know Bob Geren walked into the barber shop and said, "Give me the Keith Hernandez."

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Cliff Floyd looking unrecognizeably skinny in his shorts and sanitaries. Way to check in at your rookie playing weight.

Matt Kemp, using an entire boob to pay tribute to his grandparents.

Why is there greater uncertainty? I'm not so sure there is. If those lines have any meaning, they should represent a mean of all possible outcomes. I just think (and I think Sandy kinda thinks) the distinction is largely a matter of luck between the talented but less consistent veterans who get big league contracts ever year for a decade and the talented but less consistent veterans who get AAA contracts every year and wait for injuries. The former frequently just happened to get on a good groove when they got a callup, and the latter has yet to have their hot streaks coincide with their occasional big league cups of coffee. Any certainty you buy with Hairston, I think, is having the additional assets of Brown and Hoffman waiting behind him if he should falter. I agree that has a value, but I'm not sure what it's value is.

Yeah, Brown.

Bill James calculates Hairy Projections .250 / .307 / .444 // .751. Bill James calculates Brown Projections: .264 / .330 / .475 // .805. Obviously, there's no guarantee it shakes out that way, and obviously it's better to have both than one or the other, and obviously you may have aesthetic reasons for preferring brown projections vs. hairy ones, or hairy ones vs. brown ones, but there's a certain liberating grace to accepting that veterans with modest but not overwhelming track records aren't the only ones who can fill your bench, just the more expensive one. (And let's be honest --- what are you paying more for, except ass coverage?) It sure as heck demonstrates a faith in the guys you pay to do your scouting and statistical evaluations. It's certainly not the only way to go, but it's the way that gave us Mike Baxter instead of Willie Harris in 2012.

He should be the second lefty out of the pen too.

Nice one. I had forgotten that comment. I'm follying Uncle Cliff NOW!!!!

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Frank F. Thomas wrote: In my book I mentioned the ("Yo la tengo") story and stated that I thought Richie made the whole thing up for its comic appeal, but I recently found photographic evidence that may now support Ashburn's story. While going through some old boxes of photos I found one of me helping Richie off the field after a collision. Richie is holding his head and I have my arm around his shoulders, and a very sympathetic look on my face. There's no date or caption on the photo, so I can't completely say that it confirms Richie's story, but it definitely adds credibility to his tale. Boy would I love to get my hands on that photo. Can't find a BB-ref account of Ashie leaving a game with an injury, however.

Really rich. Even as much of what he says confirms the party line on early Mets history, it reads as an honest and real first-hand version.

Inspired by this, I just bought Tales From The 1962 New York Mets Dugout: A Collection of The Greatest Stories from The Mets Inaugural Season. Inspired by this, I re-read one of our best threads ever.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Best rebus in forum history.

Regarding 2... [*:14nxyly6]Maybe. Joe Niekro did good indoors, though, pitching in the Astrodome during his best years. Knuckleballs can dance on streams of air conditioning as well as naturally circulating air. [/*:m:14nxyly6] [*:14nxyly6]It's not like the roof at the Steve J. Rogers Center is always closed.[/*:m:14nxyly6][/list:o:14nxyly6]

Adam Loewen is signed by the Blue Jays, which makes a double return for him --- going back to the Blue Jays organization, and likely returning to Buffaloonie.

No Boitano expert, me, but I can tell you that Dan Boitano was drafted five times before signing. He left the Mets when he went to the Rangers in the trade to get Jim Kern, who I thought was coming here in earnest, but just passed through like a ghost, joinining the bounty for George Foster. Hours later, I think. That's two modestly interesting things rather than a solidly interesting thing, I confess. Maybe you can tell me something about Luis Rivera.

Phone call for Mr. Gosger.

I certainly agree (and have said so in this thread) that closers encounter unrealistic expectations.

I didn't mean to contradict you. I agree.

Well, we've looked outside the organization for a closer five times since sunsetting Armando in 2003, counting Putz. Spent a lot of money and pleased nobody.

I was thinking of that one. Nice.

Hey, I'm not saying you have to read through any of it. Non-Mets-specific subjects include: Moneyball The New Bill James Historical Baseball Abstract The Glory of Their Times Insider's Baseball That green book that just says "Baseball" on the spine, but that could certainly be by a Metly author. Now tell me when you broke into my house and photographed my bookcase.