Edgy MD

Agreed.

Oh, they have. Not to my satisfaction, but they have. Todd Zeile after Jon Olerud walked. Kevin Appier after Mike Hampton took a hike. Plan Bs cut no ice with me. Pivot and move on. Principles, not plans. Philosophies of war, not battle strategies. Maybe some guy wants to start a billboard campaign. But hey, it's just Ben Zobrist.

Mmmmm... dick...

Sheesh, I stupidly guessed they were in by 1965. But Musial was still whacking it when the young Mets came into existence. Mays, Mantle, Aaron, Schmidt, Henderson, Musial, Williams. Suck it, pitchers?

d'Kong76 wrote: I guess. Cheer up, Caspar. It's going to be OK.

It makes sense that history should stop after Pud. Mays, Mantle, Aaron, Seaver, Carlton, Schmidt, Henderson, Brett. How's that?

The National League championship is pretty good, though.

Whoops.

Oakland ain't signing no Muff. Now Colorady... there's a Muffy team. Or he goes to Chicago as a consolation prize for the BZ Sweeps. I can't say for certain why, but I think he stays in the NL, but the AL Central is always muscling up. White Sox, Tigers, Twins, Native Americans? Why not?

I went for NY CITI. QfaD, apart from the obvious gender confusion it creates (is this a Murphy/Billy Bean story?) damns the Mets with low expectations. Hey, look, they won. For a day. NY CITI boldly says "Hey, look, this guy says they're good. EVERY DAY." And they were.

Reds may end up totally hung out to dry trying to move Chapman while a scandal hangs over his head. Who is also left totally holding the bag? Marc Anthony, that's who.

That poor shift key.

Yeah, that would certainly seem like the way they would likely play it. And they can shift him to a corner for late inning defense while bringing in Laggy.

Lefty Specialist wrote: Edgy MD wrote: So, I'm going to guess a Nationals employee leaked the 4x20 figure to Nightengale � who he knows from the DC beat � just to bid up the Mets. Well, let's hope the brain trust isn't dumb enough to fall for it then. For that money he can enjoy DC. Well, I meant to imply that the leak was bullshit and the Nats were offering nothing of the sort.

Whoah. We have two shortstops with a total of two healthy feet between them.

So, I'm going to guess a Nationals employee leaked the 4x20 figure to Nightengale � who he knows from the DC beat � just to bid up the Mets.

"Don't go making too much of that guys. My owner is a smart Jewish guy and he knew what I meant." � Dusty "The Greek" Baker

What specifically have you told the front office you�d like that you don�t have yet? �You�re always in need of left-handed pitching, left-handed hitting, and in need of speed. I think that�s the No. 1 thing that�s missing, I think, in the game is speed. You know, with the need for minorities, you can help yourself. You�ve got a better chance of getting some speed with Latin and African-Americans. I�m not being racist. That�s just how it is.� Dusty F. Baker, ladies and gentlemen

"Mr. Jeff Wilpon has decided that he's going to learn how to run a baseball team and take over at the end of the year� Run for the hills, boys. I think probably all those baseball people will bail... Jeff sits there by himself like he's King Tut waiting for his camel." � Nelson Doubleday Sits by himself like King Tut waiting for his camel?

Bob Nightengale ?@BNightengale 16m 16 minutes ago Ben Zobrist has a four-year, $80 million offer on the table. The #Mets still considered favorites to ultimately land him. !!!

No word on the expected victory lap. Reports earlier today indicated the Mets, recognizing the competition were ready to concede on a fourth year. Most recent reports this afternoon suggest the Mets are trying to hold at three, believing the Nats to be the main competition, with Washington willing to satisfy themselves by bidding the Mets up to that fourth year. Curious how well the Mets play this sort of hard poker (calling bluffs on both the Nats and the Zobrist reps) without Sandy in the room. I imagine Zobrist won't be making a commitment today after all if a fourth year doesn't materialize.

Sure, those OPS+ numbers look better as a center fielder, but (again) we're merely speculating that he can perform there, and (again also) outfield defense productivity fades quickly after the early 20s. So he better spike on offense to make up for those WARs he's likely gonna lose on defense or Met pitchers will be sad.

Gwreck wrote: Yes, and David Wright could get run over by a city bus tomorrow too. I think we all understand the risks of long term contracts. Well, this eight-year deal is contrasted with the benefits of a shorter-term deal and that wasn't mentioned. Gwreck wrote: I do not understand what you mean by the "trajectory his career is heading in now." I mean I'm not confident. His age and OPS+ by year 20 - 131 21 - 93 22 - 117 23 - 114 24 - 109 25 - 116 This is a good player, but as a corner outfielder, those numbers don't fill me with confidence for a great future, certainly not enough for me to invest eight years worth. Gwreck wrote: I was surprised by the comment about his only having one all-star selection too. Well, it's just a fact. This is a guy who, when the middle of the season rolls around, does not stand out in the mind of the public or the All-Star managers as among the best at his position. Gwreck wrote: I see WAR of 4.6 (2010), 2.5 (2011), 5.8 (2012), 3.7 (2013), 6.2 (2014) and 6.5 (2015) and that certainly seems to me to be a player worth signing to a long term deal if he's only 26 years old. These are good numbers, but they are, in a large part, a product of strong defense, which peaks early. Outfield defense has been described at Fangraphs as peaking at around 24. And one injury, and that defense becomes a shell of itself. And even healthy the assumption that he's an everyday center fielder is still in the realm of wishcraft. Carlos Beltran only got seven years, and he spent a good chunk of it rehabbing or playing hurt. I view him like a view all non-Mets, with suspicion. But putting that hairy bias aside, it doesn't seem altogether unfounded, does it?

Lenny Randle trying to manage the Nettunesi to their former glory. Story at Rolling Stone.com, of all places. Looks like a crappy turn-of-the-century Mets jersey.

This trade is on hold as reports leak out of some very unsportsmanlike alleged conduct.