Edgy MD wrote: The weird thing is that, when pitch counts became of primary concern, "innings pitched" seemed to become more understood to be an artificial construct. What was an inning? It was three pitches to one pitcher and 40 to another. Definitely better to use total pitch count when judging how much work a twirler has done. But now, we'll use both/and. Whichever offers the first, best, and most convenient explanation for pulling a pitcher from a game. Well sure ... but there are also all those up/downs to consider.