Frayed Knot

Mendoza Line wrote: Any word on why Church isn't starting? Is the concussion wooziness back? Reportedly just a day off after not playing for a while followed by a short turn-around (DGANG).

And now a 2nd 2R HR (Ramirez this time) and now Florida leads 6-4 top 9, still only 1 out.

Rockin' Doc wrote: It appears there are dueling Smoltz threads. And this thread's gonna kick that thread's butt. Braves already missing Smoltz. Manny Acosta, the closer du jour in Smoltz's absence, serves up a game-tying 2R HR to Florida in the 9th. No win for Glavine.

Reyes Castillo Wright Beltran Delgado Tatis Chavez Schneider Maine

="AG/DC":xeb25qa0]How about Heilman beating Wagner?[/quote:xeb25qa0] That, along with Schoeneweis's margin over Wagner despite very similar stats, continues last month's discussion about closers not getting their due. Rockin' Doc Jun 04 2008 10:59 AM Due to his role as closer, Wagner generally receives fewer opportunities to score points. TheOldMole Jun 04 2008 11:00 AM How much better could Wagner have done? AG/DC Jun 04 2008 11:01 AM That should inform our voting, I think. I'm no exception there. themetfairy Jun 04 2008 11:07 AM ="Frayed Knot":o25k6kpw]="AG/DC":o25k6kpw]How about Heilman beating Wagner?[/quote:o25k6kpw] That, along with Schoeneweis's margin over Wagner despite very similar stats, continues last month's discussion about closers not getting their due.[/quote:o25k6kpw] Which again opens up the discussion of whether closers are truly more valuable to their teams than the set-up men. John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 04 2008 11:08 AM I don't necessarily think the results show a flaw with us, just the limits of Schaefering in general. Results here are more or less a random snapshot, in that usage patterns don't coincide with the calendar month. Also, on the per-appearance basis (aka, "The Refreshment Index"), Wagner outscores all relievers. themetfairy Jun 04 2008 11:13 AM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":3m4hznl6]I don't necessarily think the results show a flaw with us, just the limits of Schaefering in general.[/quote:3m4hznl6] True, especially since we don't award negative points when players have bad outings. seawolf17 Jun 04 2008 11:13 AM So if Aaron Heilman wins Player of the Month, he takes home all three trophies? Sweet. themetfairy Jun 04 2008 12:28 PM ="seawolf17":15md44kh]So if Aaron Heilman wins Player of the Month, he takes home all three trophies? Sweet.[/quote:15md44kh] I think that's the month that BG decides to amend Schaefer voting to award negative points seawolf17 Jun 04 2008 12:31 PM Nah, it's kinda like golf, where the lowest score wins. Rockin' Doc Jun 04 2008 03:12 PM metfairy - "True, especially since we don't award negative points when players have bad outings." It's rather tough to take back the beer once they've drank it.

="Benjamin Grimm"]Three ways to get a save: Pitch the final three innings Pitch the final full inning with a three-run lead or less Come into the game with the tying run on base, at the plate, or on deck Are we sure that full inning thing is correct?

Staying healthy during his career is the only thing that's kept him from being on the Glavine/Maddux level. I think he may be HoF anyway (even if he doesn't come back) but he'd be in 300-W territory and a virtual lock if you give him bck the two seasons he lost plus the 4 he spent in the pen.

These recent moves are sure to be temporary - Casanova's outage will be short and Alou will be back soon (at least according to him) - and therefore are probably more guided by 40-man roster contraints than any particular desire to have a 3rd catcher around. Both Cancel and Evans will likely be gone by the end of the weekend.

Martinez - 3.5 Easley - 2.5 Smith - 0.4 Wagner - 0.5 Feliciano - 0.4 Wright - 1.0 Beltran - 1.0 Church - 0.5 Tatis - 0.2

Be nice to get out of this inning scoreless end his eveing on a high note.

]Didn't Hank just buy Newsday? Cablevision did. So it shouldn't affect Yanqui coverage, but it'll be interesting to see if pressure comes from the top to lay off if/when the Rangers and/or Knicks deserve an ink-stained beatdown. Jimmy Dolan hasn't exactly shown himself to be welcome to criticism.

AG/DC wrote: Jaroncyk gave it a few years. http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=7174 Yeah, I guess he played the one full season plus two partials - one being the year he was drafted and then the one he walked out in the middle of. He later decided to make a comeback w/other orgs but that didn't go too well either.

Our next pick is #22 - a pick which has actually been somewhat more successful than the eighteens Only 13 failed to eventually become ML players including the last 3. Prior to those 3, 20 straight had reached. Mets have never had a 22nd pick, but did give one to the Cardinals back in 1991 for signing Vince Coleman, a pick became RHP Brian Barber. They also had #22 in 1999 but ceded it to the ChiSox when they signed Robin Ventura, a pick that turned into (brief) future Met Matt Ginter. 2 possible HoFers came via pick #22: - Rafael Palmiero in 1985 - Craig Biggio in 1987 (Seton Hall Univ via Kings Park HS) Also Chet Lemon (1972); Bruce Hurst (1976); Terry Francona (1980); Rick Helling (1992)

This is the 44th year of June drafts. Our first draft pick Thursday is #18 - so of the 43 prior 18th picks: - 22 never reached the major leagues, although that includes 4 of the last 5, some or all of which certainly still could - the Mets have had 4 of those 18th picks - all in a 10-year span: [u:c341018ff9]1991: Al Shirley[/u:c341018ff9] - an OFer from a Virginia High School, Shirley was a compensation pick for losing Strawberry to the Dodgers and is one of those who never reached the bigs [u:c341018ff9]1992: Chris Roberts[/u:c341018ff9] - a LHP from Fla St, he also never reached ML [u:c341018ff9]1995: Ryan Jaroncyk[/u:c341018ff9] - a high school SS who played one year in the minors before announcing he was no longer interested in playing baseball [u:c341018ff9]2001: Aaron Heilman[/u:c341018ff9] - also a compensation pick (Mike Hampton) - Best 18th picks in history?: Carlos May - 1966 Jamie Quirk - 1972 Willie Wilson - 1974 Glenn Wilson - 1980

AG/DC wrote: The duck asks you to: Name the five pitchers to be unanimous Cy Young Award winners two or more times. I got Pedro, Carlton, and Clemens. Who else? I'll guess Seaver and, um, Vida Blue? Santana

Bengie Molina: Slowest #1 ever?

Also out of the strike zone regularly, not a good sign.

Part of the problem with many of the names on this list is that they're full-time players who'll command full-time return that we want to use as part-timers and fill-ins. That kind of set-up usually doesn't lead to a very good rate of return.

Agreed. You can't be labeling someone as a AAAA player who has yet to even reach AAA (aside from this emergency call-up). He's too young and hasn't been around long enough to know what he is/will be. As far as the Atlantic League goes (plus similar independants) they'll have the occasional guy who'll parlay his performance there into a ML job (usually w/a stop in the minors first) but, from an overall quality standpoint, none of those leagues have a high enough level of talent to serve as a feeder system for these so-called AAAA players.

MAY EDITION Once again I'm sure there were a bunch of good posts that fell through the cracks. Maybe someone else picked up on some. Best Expression of David Wright Man-Love Boy Named Seo: So Davey starts stretching out and moves closer to us. 20 feet or so, then maybe 10 feet away. The girls' jaws drop nearly to the perfectly manicured grass and I'm acting gayer than Charles Nelson Reilly What Party Are You With? Vic Sage: Isn't Bob Barr the name of the elephant in some lame children's book? From the, 'How the fuck did these people get money?' file: Soupcan: I had a 15 minute long conversation with this woman who was telling me that the $100,000 she and her husband spent on their son's Bar Mitzvah was really the least possible amount ... and that it was the decorations which made it an absorbitant amount to spend.

]The real question, however, is whether the Mets will be willing to exceed the slot -- the commissioner's office "suggested" pay scale for blue-chip picks -- in order to restock their system ... Historically, the Wilpons have been model citizens in Bud Selig's tightly-controlled draft culture, showing no desire to spend freely like the Yankees and Red Sox. BA continues to dwell on this as well, noting in their last chat that "word is" the Mets are planning to stick with the slotting system and go ahead with "another conservative draft". But I don't see where that's been an issue with 1st round picks. All of the recent 1st rounders: Heilman, Kazmir, Pelfrey, Humber, Milledge, were guys going pretty much where they were supposed to - even to the point where some of them fell to the Mets on account of other clubs balking at perceived bonus demands. Peop-le can talk about the recent rash of college relievers picked but those picks were in the 40s thru 70s and I've yet to hear the name mentioned who the Mets supposedly should have drafted but failed to on account of Selig's unofficial boundries. Where this "slotting" stuff really comes up is in mid/later rounds where some teams will throw a bunch of money at an athletic 'toolsy' HS kid in hopes of talking him out of his college ride and maybe finding a diamond in the rough in the process. That is something the Mets haven't done even though their overall budget would allow them to go this route every now and then.

Vargas - 2.5 Heilman - 0.5 Reyes - 0.6 Castillo - 0.6 Delgado - 0.6 Church - 0.2

Fman99 wrote: Castro scores from 2nd on an RBI single by Castillo, despite carrying a piano on his back the last 50 feet. It's not the carrying that bothers me, but does he really have to stop and play it?

Speed -- there is no substitute

Church woke up this morning and got himself a gun